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    Hello everyone!
    I would like to make a Belgian air force Short 827 bomber seaplane on Lake Tanganyika in June-July 1916.
    They would have seriously damaged a German ship and sunk another.
    what would they have as a WOG card?
    (I mean move letter - Weapon (-/B) - Toughness - Max altitude and climb rate)
    Of course, the Short 827 is not taken back at Wings of Linen!
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    It looks like a 184 short, but is smaller.

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    Interesting project !

    Unable to help, not knowing enough the various decks and the planes attached to them.

    Hoping you'll get a better reply soon

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    I'm no expert in plane stats but could make a suggestion, Philippe.

    The unofficial stats show the bigger brother's stats as:
    Short 184 Seaplane early: Country: Great Britain; Availability: '15 Q3/'18 Q4; Deck: XD; Gun: -/B; Damage: 19; Alt: 8; Climb: 8; Notes: Small giant base 1 engine
    it had a max speed of 105kph & would appear very strongly built.

    The Short 827 seaplane had a max speed of 100kph and was much lighter so may not have been as strongly built therefore I'd suggest something along these lines:
    Short 827 seaplane: Country: Great Britain; Availability: '15 Q3/'18 Q4; Deck: XA; Gun: -/B; Damage: 17; Alt: 8; Climb: 8; Notes: Standard tandem base 1 engine

    You may need to refine the alt stats if you can find more detailed info but this might allow you to get it on the table for now.

    If you query the base size this, from the FAQ/POI sticky, might assist:
    Basing Models:
    Q: I've bought an after market model - how do I know which base to use ?
    A: These are the pertinent points from Andrea:
    Wingspan is what determines the base size of planes (number of engines is not a factor).
    The huge planes with wingspans of 29 metres and upwards (Staaken, Felixstowe, HP O/400, etc) have the biggest base (8cm x 11cm approx).
    The big planes with wingspans of 22.2 to 24 metres (Caproni Ca.3, Gotha G.V, Friedrichshafen G.III, etc) have the medium size base (6.8cm x 8.8cm, exactly twice the width of a 'normal' fighter card).
    Planes with a smaller wingspan up to an undefined maximum, a bit larger than the 14.36m span Bregeut 14 (including the 14.55m FE2 and the 15.24m AEG N.I) use the 'normal' fighter base. The exact maximum has not been defined.
    Furthermore Andrea mentions the potential of a fourth base size (one and a half 'normal' cards wide) for those planes with a wingspan of approximately 17-18m (such as the Farman F.40 and the Caudron G.4), but since this base size was declined by Ares it's likely that such planes will have to go down to the 'normal' fighter size base or up to the medium (Gotha etc) size base, although which is not yet decided upon.
    * Zoe suggests as a rule of thumb - Go by wingspan but in boundary cases (smaller than Gotha, larger than Br14), 2 seaters go smaller, 3+ seaters go larger.
    Seems to make sense and as good a compromise as any to break the deadlock.
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...t-bomber-stats

    Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"

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    Thanks Dave,

    Your suggestion seems very logical to me.
    For the base, I'm going to take a medium base as suggested by Zoé. For the decoration, someone posted this to me!
    really fun with the double cockades.
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    This could be adapted...

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    This could be adapted...

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    The Short 184 flys at 88 mph, and the 827 at 64 mph. So, the slowest deck in WoW is the XA.

    And online drawings of the 827 are not of good quality. Unless someone has something decent?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    If you post a top-down image of your plane, I could try to take this line drawing a bit further...

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Thank you all, the 1/144 model is ready.
    Just to make the base 64 x 68 mm with the flight characteristics.
    As soon as possible, I build it and the German ships will be able to fear me.
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    Base drawing cleaned up a bit, and base colors:

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    Shading, highlighting and card elements to follow...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Shading and Highlighting...

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Not sure I have the size correct...

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Dji dji djiii - Vroum dagtag doug douugh...!
    Dji dji djiii - Vroum dagtag doug douugh... VR-VR vrououoOOOWWWWW!
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