using same cards from one turn to another: is this legal, illegal, gamey?

**Gallo Rojo** · 10-12-2010 08:03

Due to cards availability in a given deck there are some maneuvers combinations that are not possible to perform during the same turn:

two that come to mind:

Imelman - straight - Imelman

or make (say) three 90 degrees right turns in a row with a Fokker DrI (since D Deck has only two 90 degrees turns).

But... say I'm playing a SPAD and my maneuvers in my previous turns have been:

Straight-Imelmann-Straight ... now in the following turn I do have the Imelmann card available ... can I play it?

Say that I'm playing a DrI and my previous turn have been: regular right turn-90 dgrs right turn-90 degrees right turn... now in my new turn I could play two 90 degrees turn in a row again (completing four 90 degrees turn in a row)

Are those type of combinations (from one turn to the other) legal?
Are they 'legal' but considered 'gamey' tactics?
Or are plainly illegal?

Thanks in advance!

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**Oberst Hajj** · 10-12-2010 08:08

Yes, turn to turn does not matter unless there is a steep maneuver limitation that you are violating. As long as the card is back in your hand legally, you can use it again.

**LGKR** · 10-12-2010 08:25

A Camel can sit and spin and spin and spin.

**tuladin** · 10-12-2010 10:39

And a Fokker D.VII can play:

Turn 1: Normal Non-steep - Short Steep - Short Non-steep
Turn 2: Short Steep - Short Non-steep -Short Steep
Turn 3: Short Non-steep - Short Steep - Normal Non-steep

For a total of seven short moves in a row!

**Pope** · 10-12-2010 16:29

If you use the SE5A watch out for the higher number of cards with steep on them. It caused problems for a few gamers tonight, whose Snipes do not have steep on their sharp turns.

**Jythier** · 10-17-2010 08:06

Originally Posted by tuladin

And a Fokker D.VII can play:

Turn 1: Normal Non-steep - Short Steep - Short Non-steep
Turn 2: Short Steep - Short Non-steep -Short Steep
Turn 3: Short Non-steep - Short Steep - Normal Non-steep

For a total of seven short moves in a row!

The one thing that bugs me about this plane is that they only put in one stall! So in order to do this I need to turn or do a climb (but I don't play with altitude so I can't!)

**MayorJim** · 10-26-2010 17:10

Playing against my wife, she used the Immelmann - straight - Immelmann - straight - Immelmann routine on me...drove my batty! ...and she still shot me down later on

**Hunter** · 03-13-2011 04:05

Jim, Wives are dangerous and tricky that way, LOL!

**Wolf** · 07-26-2011 17:17

Is he still married?

**Aero825** · 07-27-2011 07:34

I do stuff like that all the time!

**Linz** · 07-28-2011 02:13

Jim Immelmann straight Immelmann straight Immelmann is an illegal move unless it is played over 3 turns.
Although it would be a brave man to suggest that to ones Wife. Tee Hee
Linz

**flyingryno** · 07-31-2011 19:02

Remeber a happy wife is a happy life.

Pick your battles well. and that's why I don't play serious games with the wife.

**greenalfonzo** · 08-03-2011 19:00

Originally Posted by Linz

Jim Immelmann straight Immelmann straight Immelmann is an illegal move unless it is played over 3 turns.
Although it would be a brave man to suggest that to ones Wife. Tee Hee
Linz

Is there a particular reason why only so many moves of a given type are allowed per turn? For example, does the length of time one takes (like the Immelmann) make it so that it would be physically impossible for a plane to make 2 or more of them in a given turn? And is that why different planes have different decks - the difference in the speed and handling affects the pilots options for maneuvers?

**Rabbit 3** · 08-31-2011 04:07

There`s actually nothing to prevent you playing (Start of turn)straight,Immellmann, straight,(End of turn)Immellmann, straight,straight(End of turn) Immellmann ,straight, and so on.

**Skyguy001** · 08-31-2011 06:12

Perhaps his wife is playing with the optional ace abilities rule and is an exceptional pilot that would be ok...

Exceptional pilot: Can use the same manoeuvre twice in the same turn. Take two blank manoeuvre cards and write a
"1" on one and a "2" on the other. Add them to your manoeuvre deck. When you plan your move, you can use the "1"
as the second or third manoeuvre, the "2" as third: when you show the "1" use the first manoeuvre of the turn again,
when you show the "2" use the second again.
Example: a SPAD XIII plans an Immelman, a straight and a "1". The plane executes an Immelman in the first phase, a
straight in the second and another Immelmann in the third one.
The restrictions of the "1" and "2" are the same as the card they replace. So if you use a "1" and the first manoeuvre of
the turn was a Immelmann, you have to do a straight manoeuvre before it and another after it.

Shane

**Hunter** · 09-03-2011 03:22

Originally Posted by Skyguy001

Perhaps his wife is playing with the optional ace abilities rule and is an exceptional pilot that would be ok...

Exceptional pilot: Can use the same manoeuvre twice in the same turn. Take two blank manoeuvre cards and write a
"1" on one and a "2" on the other. Add them to your manoeuvre deck. When you plan your move, you can use the "1"
as the second or third manoeuvre, the "2" as third: when you show the "1" use the first manoeuvre of the turn again,
when you show the "2" use the second again.
Example: a SPAD XIII plans an Immelman, a straight and a "1". The plane executes an Immelman in the first phase, a
straight in the second and another Immelmann in the third one.
The restrictions of the "1" and "2" are the same as the card they replace. So if you use a "1" and the first manoeuvre of
the turn was a Immelmann, you have to do a straight manoeuvre before it and another after it.

Shane

So true!