Checked the L-maneuver deck. One 90 degree maneuver to left & right.
So they can perform a 90 degree turn in one direction, every second maneuver.
Think this could save his tiny a** only one time.
Checked the L-maneuver deck. One 90 degree maneuver to left & right.
So they can perform a 90 degree turn in one direction, every second maneuver.
Think this could save his tiny a** only one time.
Last edited by Marechallannes; 03-18-2013 at 04:20.
1A,1B and 4C against 16 hp: I don't see a happy end for CR42 (or even a 1B and 2C against 14 hp against Gladiator)!!!
Marco
Heavy fighters like the Bf110 had a terrible roll rate - if a Gladiator can reverse their turn quickly a 110 will be unable to follow and overshoot. The Gladiator can then turn back and might get lucky. But the main opponent of the Gladiator was the CR.42, when more modern aircraft entered the fray all the biplanes, even Glads and Falcos, suffered accordingly.
The 110's in fact did very well against Polish Air Force fighters like the Pzl P.11 - CCB (with an extra A thrown in for diving from altitude) against a 14 damage point aircraft will be devastating.
I see my theory is quite funny - I'm glad I amuse you It is based on small turn rates and outnumbering of the heavy fighter with two or more biplanes. Honestly, I do not see any other way how to shoot monster like Beau from the sky than outnumbering of it and overturning. Any other ideas how to shoot these new planes from the sky?
I think this is the only way. Like for the Tiger in Normandy, you need few Shermans to "amuse" this feline; in the meantime, one has to maneuver to shoot him in his ass ... I remember a title I saw in a magazine : "7 Shermans for one Tiger".
How many planes to outnumber the Beau ?
You get your 8 MG armed Spitfire behind the 110 and start tailing and you will blow it out of the sky, it only has one gun behind, and the large base and poor manouverability will make it hard to shake off the small fighter. The 110's were actually reduced to flying 'Lufberry Circles' in WW2 to protect themselves against Spits and Hurricanes.
Yes, blindspot is a solution for Me.110, but I must lear how to fly with Me.109 and hit Beau. I think it will be fun - learn something new, improving tacticts May be "Four Fingers:"?
I'll mainly use the Beaufighter for the Pacific theater.
I don't know much about Me190 vs. Beaufighter duels, but to fly the Me110 vs. the allied planes will be fun.
Am I right, that Beaufighters & Me110 can't perform Immelmanns?
I have two desert cammo Zerstorers on preorder at AA (plus some Falcos and Gladiators in desert colours) just for mediterranean theatre scenarios. Along with my three AIM Bf110 miniatures in 1940 scheme there will be a formidable force. Since they were widely used on all fronts, this will give me many scenario options. On the other hand I'm not fond of Beaufighters and do not plan to but them.
Chaps, I see will be busy recreating desert air war in Prague
I can't believe it! They are coming! My Goodness, not knowing that I have just opened a bottle of South African Pinotage, Cheers Herr Oberst!!! To your health!!!
Nice and promising photo. I am looking forward to these new miniatures. Thank you for spy photos
Received my email today as well, can't wait for the heavy fighters and biplanes!
Just out of interest, can you let the forum know how many damage points have been allotted to the 110 and Beaufighter?
Great news and can't wait to get mine. Next month next set.
Recived my shipment e-mail looking good time to start pestering the postie
Ordered a Bf110, a Gladiator and a Falco
The Beaufighter has a service ceiling of 5800 metres = WGS top altitude 7. The climb rate is recorded as 8.2 m/s = WGS climb rate 4.
The Messerschmitt Bf 110C has a service ceiling of 10500 metres = WGS top altitude 12. The climb rate 11.5 m/s, which is right on the edge of WGS climb rate bands 3 or 4.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsUdbzQCm_Y
Nice Beau footage of the "ten gun terror"
And the makings of a corker of a scenario! Potential for an amazing con game
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Friday_(1945)
Got mail. My planes are on the way
It seems a new R&A Pack or an WoW or WoG Deluxe Version is a must have.
Contained items in the new R&A Pack:
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/alb...?albumid=2041:)
It is, Sven. I am really satisfied with the purchase I recommend it.
Here's what the RAP says:
Beaufighter Mk.IF climb 5 ceiling 11
Beaufighter Mk.VIF climb 5 ceiling 10
the Bf-110 isn't in the book
Karl
Did these release today or not?
I see most vendors still have them listed as preorder...
Daniel, in stock and already shipping.
Oh sweet! Thanks for the heads up! Decisions decisions decisions!
Exactly!!! Gonna have to wait until next paycheck as disposable income went to four new tires this go around! I have waited this long, what's two more weeks?
Well boys, we have the Messerschmitt Bf 110 miniatures but no official word on top altitude and climb counters. I am going to post on the Ares Facebook page to try and get a quick reply on this one.
In the mean time I am using climb rate 3 (it is 11.5m/s, almost the same as the Hurricane at 11.4 m/s) and top altitude 12 (10000m, Hurricane is also 9990m and rated 12).
I bought Beaufighter and Me 110 models from my local games shop yesterday. Both planes have an Immelman turn card in their movement decks.
Hello all,
I have received the following response on Facebook from Ares Games regarding the Messerschmitt Bf 110C climb and top altitude numbers:
Wings of Glory Miniature Game wrote: "Here they are: Climb Rate 4 Maximum Altitude 11. We will add this info to the next version of the Errata/FAQ, thanks for spotting this error!"
So we now have the official stats.
Cheers,
Carl.
Last edited by Carl_Brisgamer; 04-08-2013 at 08:29.
Noticed.
Thank you, Carl.
As soon as I'll grab them I'll insert stats.
Marco
I have made a few researches concerning the Messerschmitt Bf.110 ZG.26 3U-DS and its crew Schupp edited as a miniature by Ares (reference WGS202B) :
- because of the huge tanks underwings on the Schupp’s miniature, which have always seemed to me to be out of proportion.
- because of a picture posted by Ares on their official website, showing a soldier near a Bf.110 presented as German pilot Schupp.
But the standing soldier's uniform does not look like a German one’s but like a British sergeant.
https://www.aresgames.eu/8973
(Ares has removed this picture since I informed them of the incorrect comment).
1) MESSERSCHMITT Bf.110 and SCHUPP
- Various precisions about the loss of Schupp aircraft :
27-9-40 / 3290/3U-DS / Bf.110C-4 / III/ZG26 Forced landing after combat, 1 mile SW Kimmeridge. Pilot - Uffz Fritz Schupp
http://dorset.hampshireairfields.co.uk/dorcrash.html
Fritz Schupp
Units: 8./ZG-26
Awards:*EK 2, Wound Badge, Destroyer Operational Clasp
Known Aircraft:*Bf 110C-4 WNr 3290 '3U+DS' (lost)
Remarks: POW 27 September, 1940 when during the attack on Parnall Yate, his one engine was disabled and set on fire by an attacking Spitfire of RAF No.152 Sqn, piloted by P/O A.R. Watson. Both crew were injured when the AC was force landed one mile SW of Kimmeridge, Dorset at 11:45 hours. His R/O-Gunner was also taken prisoner. (Source: Bristol Past, John Penny) His first victory, a Spitfire over England on 18 August, 1940. A 2nd Spitfire over England on 3 September, 1940.
2 aerial victories for Fritz Schupp
Date Pilot Name Unit Enemy A/C Height Time Location / Remarks
Sunday, August 18, 1940 Fritz Schupp 8./ZG26 Spitfire 14:27
Tuesday, September 03, 1940 Fritz Schupp 8./ZG26 Spitfire 11:26
source : http://www.aircrewremembered.com/Kra...rch_type=exact
27.09.40: Target Parnall Yate: III/ZG 26.
Bf 110C-4, Wnr.3290, 3U+DS of 8/ZG 26
Uffz. Fritz Schupp (F) POW injured
Gefr. Karl Nechwatal (Bf) POW injured
One engine disabled and set alight in attacks by P/O. A.R. Watson in a Spitfire of 152 Sq. (Warmwell). Force-landed 1 mile SW of Kimmeridge, Dorset at 11.45 hrs.
source 1 : http://fishponds.org.uk/luftbri10.html
source 2 : http://humanities.uwe.ac.uk/bhr/Main/ww2/8.htm
Messerschmitt Bf 110C Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) Schupp belly landed England 1940
Also brought down on 27 September, 3U+DS W.Nr 3290 carries three victory bars on its fin. The fuselage side has a very light mottle applied. The crew of Uffz. Fritz Schupp, pilot, and Bordfunker, Gefr. Karl Nechwatel, survived the landing at Kimmeridge.
I have contacted Edward Mac Namus, a member of the Battle of Britain London Monument
(link : http://www.bbm.org.uk/airmen/WatsonAR.htm)
Here is his answer :
“The Sergeant is definitely from an army unit and may even be a Home Guard member, they could be used to guard the aircraft against souvenir hunters until RAF personnel came to inspect and dismantle the aircraft.
Most likely however is that he was a member of a Regular Army unit sent to disarm the weapons and ammunition and defuse any bombs, though at that time the Me110 did not carry any.”
At my request, Edward Mac Namus also sent me 2 pictures of this Bf.110 crew, Schupp and Nechwatel, edited in the book Zerstorer-Messerschmitt-110-Units-1940.
Edward Mac Namus lets us publish these pictures here.
2) 900 LITERS TANK
The picture of this Bf.110 C-4 show it without any 900 litres additional tanks under wings.
Messerschmitt Bf 110C Zerstorer 8.ZG26 (3U+DS) during Battle of Britain 1940
Actually, those 900 litres tanks were not particularly frequent and have been used for facilitating escorts for transport aircraft that served the supply routes for the Afrika Korps, as well as in attacks on ground and sea targets, over the Mediterranean and Northern Africa, by aircraft of 7. and 8./ZG26 :
According to the picture comment above, these 900 litres tanks equipped Bf.110 D and E versions.
No very big visual differences between these versions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messer...f_110#Variants).
(Pictures below from the website : https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/ZG26.III.html ).
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 Sicily 1942
Messerschmitt Bf 110F2 Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+BT) most likely Sicily 1941
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+LT- 3U+MT) WNr 3406 Sicily 1941
Messerschmitt Bf 110D Zerstorer 9.ZG26 (3U+DT) aerial photo MTO
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+KR) Sicily 1941
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+GS et 3U+FT) North Africa 1942
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+KT et 3U+??) Over the Mediterranean
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+ED) North Africa 1941
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+BS)
Messerschmitt Bf 110D3 Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+HS)
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+AT) Sicily 1942
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+FT) North Africa 1942
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+CR) Mediterranean 1942
Messerschmitt Bf 110E Zerstorer ZG26 (3U+CS) escorted by Fiat G50 Italy
So, the Schupp’s Messerschmitt Bf.110 ZG.26 3U-DS miniature shouldn’t have big tanks for a Battle of Britain version.
Ares has been informed and they may take it into account in case of future reprint.
Anyway, it won’t prevent anyone to use their miniatures in a game.
It is just about historical knowledge.
3) MESSERSCHMITT Bf.110 C-7 (Pilot CHRISTL)
WGS202B Ares Bf.110 miniature.
Note that this Bf.110 is identified as a E-2 version (and not C).
Last edited by monse; 09-14-2021 at 00:10.
Excellent research, Simon.
Well worth some REP.
Very good. I like this kind of historic research.
Superb research!
I'll be certain to make good use of that!
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Damn fine research work Simon. Thanks for sharing - Rep inbound
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