Hey Skysters! Has any one done card or workup on the Caudron G 6? I have a pair wanting to fly and they are grounded till they get their papers . . .
Clipper hangered
Un Offical Aircaft Caudron G 6
Hey Skysters! Has any one done card or workup on the Caudron G 6? I have a pair wanting to fly and they are grounded till they get their papers . . .
Clipper hangered
Any news, yet, on these? I know that the G6's were fast like 'H' deck, mebbe 'K' deck. Top speed around 110 MPH and sturdy. Awaiting the un-official plane stats committee to advise.
OK, OK, we'll get onto it.... Add the G6 to the list.... Such beautiful models deserve it.
Originally Posted by Zoe Brain
Prototype Card
Took me some time as I had to start pretty much from scratch with this one.
Attachment 40932
Stats are a bit rough at the moment so feel free to make any suggestions for modifications.
Now I`ve got a template made up doing a few more variations should be a lot simpler.
looks good i wish i had the skills to do this stuff
Very nice work on the Card, Robert.
Looks super,but my drawing also shows a forward firing gun as well, could you add a front arc too?
Clipper at arms
No problem!
The stats I`ve been working from are just from Wiki so I`ve a few resevations about them.
I`ve suspected all along that there should be a front gun but have been wondering if there is some sort of `oddball` mount on some aircraft, Just what is that pod thing above the pilots cockpit?
I`m thinking its some sort of ASI but?
Last edited by Rabbit 3; 04-15-2012 at 05:11.
The pod is a wind-powered generator for the radio. Not on all aircraft.
The G.6 was a smaller, lighter R.4. The R.4 was a 3-seater, the G.6 a 2-seater. Armament - one lewis to right of pilot's cockpit, 1 or 2 lewis for the observer at the rear.
The confusion between the very similar looking R.4 and G.6 is responsible for a whole lot of misinformation.
http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/ai...ron-g-6-a.html
Read the first response on this thread again. Gregoire mentions the G6 as a three place. I do not agree. The Caudron G6 was a two seat aircraft. (The drawing in the FMP book is the wrong aircraft.)
The pilot sat 2/3 under the upper wing and his cockpit had a removable wooden surround that had to be removed for ingress and egress. The pilot had a single Lewis gun on a mount to the right front of the cockpit.
The observer had up to 2 Lewis guns on a TS4 gun ring. (I think I have the gun ring properly named, away from my books.) I also have seen evidence of some glazing on the bottom of the fuselage and assume that the camera was mounted internally whihc was French practice.
In the Lela Press 1st volume on Caudron, in the R11 section, there is a bare G6 fuselage in the background. It appears that there was a second set of controls for the observer and the plane used a steering wheel for the ailerons.All of the G6 photos I have been able to obtain, which encompass over a dozen aircraft, show the 2 seater. The only G6 3 seat I have seen is that attributed in the FMP book.
Note fixed lewis to right of pilot's cockpit.
Unrepairable G.6 being burnt after cannibalisation
You can see the front lewis on these ones:
Here's an R.4 with a front gun (and often nose-wheel)
So it looks like the card is probably Ok for a late period plane equipped with a radio but an earlier version would more likely have B/B or possibly B/A armament with a standard arc forward.
With that set-up the gun isn`t going to have that much lateral movement.
So the modified `early version` card is looking like this,
Attachment 41075
I know the red nacelles are a bit questionable for this unit but they DO look nice.
Last edited by Rabbit 3; 04-15-2012 at 10:14.
Awesome models. Wish I had the talent some of you do.
Very late to this party, sorry, but...
There are stats in the latest USC file, but what type of card? Do we want this with the Management Card, also, as it has two engines?
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
It definitely uses the small bomber base. A management card is needed.
More Bombers - Caudron G.VI Card
Now, with a crew of two, that can't interchange or swap positions in the air, is a management card really needed?
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Hmmm...
Dave [Flash] posted this argument: More Bombers - Post #29
That post says a Scout base? So, I offered this option: More Bombers - Post #34
Thoughts?
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Concur -- crew management is only necessary where crew can be swapped around; the G.6 can't, so doesn't require one.
Zoe,
I think there might have been two variants of the G.6. A two-seat and three-seat version as mentioned in "French Aircraft of the First World War".
I find it hard to believe that the "International Military Digest" Feb. 1919 and "Aviation and Aeronautical Engineering" vol 7 Aug 1 1919 are wrong that the G.6 was a three-seat aircraft.
Last edited by john snelling; 05-13-2017 at 05:41.
Kenneth Munson in his books says that the Caudron G.6 was a two-seater. However, the Caudron R.4 and R.11 were both very similar in appearance but larger and they were three-seaters.
A Caudron G.6
A Caudron R.4 Reconnaissance Bomber
A Caudron R.11 Reconnaissance Bomber
Last edited by Naharaht; 05-13-2017 at 19:18.
David,
Still researching, the Caudron G.5 is one that resembles it the most. The R.4 has a 5th wheel and R.11 does not have a short lower wing but, they do look similar.
Was looking at a French booklet printed in 1919 which had the Caudron G6 with 80 and 110 hp engines just more to ponder. So much information has been destroyed about French WW1 aircraft.
After looking at a lot of pictures I believe the 1919 articles are mistaken and you and Zoe are correct.
Last edited by john snelling; 05-13-2017 at 23:31.
I'm a fan of the Caudron G.6! Maybe a few questions can be cleared up with an excerpt from the excellent French Aircraft of the First World War by Davilla and Soltan:
Caudron G.6
The G.4 had initially proved to be successful in the reconnaissance role, but as 1915 progressed the weaknesses of the design became increasingly apparent. The frequently poor weather severely limited the number of sorties and the G.4's layout prevented adequate defense against attacks from the rear. The Aviation Militaire demanded a new category of aircraft to correct these problems; the A3 class of army cooperation aircraft was to perform long range reconnaissance, bombing, and escort fighter duties. They would need two powerful engines to enable them to fly long-range missions or in high winds. A crew of three was specified: a pilot and a front and rear gunner. Gaston Caudron's response to this requirement was to produce the G.5, while René designed the R.4 series (initially intended for use as a bomber, but actually used in the A3 role).
Limited numbers of G.5s were used at the front, but because they were found to be seriously underpowered, Gaston Caudron had it redesigned to feature a wing of increased area and two 110-hp (later 120-hp) Le Rhône engines. The new aircraft followed the general lines of the G.5, retaining a conventional fuselage with machine gun positions fore and aft. The G.6 was designed by Paul Deville. Although by this time Gaston Caudron had died while testing the R.4, the “G” designation was retained by the firm.
Improved performance was ensured by the two 120-hp Le Rhône engines (although the prototype and early production machines had 110-hp engines). The pilot was seated beneath a cutout in the upper wing. The engines were mounted in nacelles on either side of the fuselage. The landing gear consisted of paired wheels mounted directly beneath each of the nacelles and a rear tail skid. There was a single triangular fin and rudder. The prototype G.6 had an abbreviated nose barely protruding ahead of the engines. This did not permit an adequate field of fire, and so the G.6 was redesigned with a longer nose of conical profile. The rear gunner was located well aft of the wings in both the prototype and production G.6s. On some G.6s a wind-driven generator was fitted in the nose gunner's position.
...
Operational Service
The prototype G.6 first flew in June 1916 and by the end of 1916 50 Caudron G.6s were at the front. A total of 512 were produced - By 1 August 1917 there were a total of 302 G.6's available to the Aviation Militaire — 133 with the Caudron escadrilles and in the aviation parks, 162 with the R.G.A., and an additional seven in reserve.
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GQG reports indicate there were serious problems with the G.6. It would go into uncontrolled spirals when performing tight turns. The crews were warned to make careful turns and to coordinate use of the rudder and ailerons because use of the rudder alone was believed to result in the aircraft spiraling out of control. These problems became serious enough that the Aviation Militaire ordered the grounding of all G.6s on 8 June 1917. It was found that there was a problem with the tail fin. Once these were replaced the G.6s were allowed to resume flying in mid-June. It was also discovered it was necessary to replace the turnbuckles for the wing rigging. The numerous difficulties with the A3 series of aircraft in general, and the G.6 in particular, led the STAé to create its own A3 plane, which was produced under license by Letord. The Letord series soon replaced the G-6s in service - The decision to disperse the A3 series of aircraft to the army cooperation escadrilles also resulted in the G.6 units re-equipping with more modern types beginning in 1917. These were of the A2 (tactical reconnaissance and army cooperation) category, including the Breguet 14 A2, Salmson 2 A2, and SPAD 16 A2.
I'd guess they removed the front gunner when using it for artillery cooperation, with that front-seat generator powering the radio. (That would be the two-seat configuration.)
Last edited by ReducedAirFact; 05-22-2017 at 21:14.
So is there a final determination as to what the proper aircraft card should be for the Caudron G.6?
I got a shapeways version and it has three crew positions. Front Gunner middle pilot and rear gunner. Most of the photos I've seen of the variant that I have show a Lewis in front, a single or twin Lewis in the rear.
I just need the proper card so I can design a custom base for it.
You'll find a couple cards on the Wings of Linen WIKI: https://linen.miraheze.org/wiki/Caudron_G.6
Those cards are consistent with the Official Unofficial Aircraft Stats.
Darn Rep gun jammed again? I gotta get a new armourer.
Those cards are consistent with the Official Unofficial Aircraft Stats.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
I had Keith make up some bases to go with these cards and they go together beautifully.
Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.
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