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    Hey Guys,
    The guy that made the Gotha over at Shapeways has offered to do another model in 1/144 scale for free. So here's my question to you. Which plane from WWI is there that we would like to see in the game.
    I would need 3 view drawings of it for the model maker to use for scale. Anyone have anything they'd like to see?

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    Any chance you can get me 3 view drawing of it?

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    http://images.search.yahoo.com/image...umb=vLBqLCy1Dz.

    You can also scroll down the page to see additional details. Click on the engine or the 3-view drawings and you will get a nice blow-up of them.

    AEG G.IV was a Medium bomber. There was also an armored version with anti-tank cannons being developed at the end of the war that could make for some interesting 'down and dirty' game scenarios.
    Last edited by Mike W; 01-03-2012 at 17:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J53_Badger View Post
    Any chance you can get me 3 view drawing of it?






    1/72 drawing at http://www.airwar.ru/other/draw/aeg_g4.zip

    An interesting colour scheme on this one



    For a real challenge, try a G.IVk. Different nose, very different tail.










    Note: AEG G.IVk had increased wingspan - 23.90m vs 18.4m, length 9.9 vs 9.7m
    Last edited by Zoe Brain; 01-05-2012 at 00:58.

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    Thanks Guys
    So this is it. Anyone else have any other plane that they would like to see in 1/144 scale before I send the artist the drawings.

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    If you proceed with the AEG, are you going to request the regular bomber version or the modified flying tank version G.IVk?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike W View Post
    If you proceed with the AEG, are you going to request the regular bomber version or the modified flying tank version G.IVk?
    From P M Grosz's 'AEG G.IV - Windsock Datafile 51' - 'In Mar 18, Idflieg ordered 5 AEG G.IVk... . None of the 5 saw operational service.' So the choice would be to have the single prototype which saw operational trials in Dec 17, or a 'vanilla' G.IV which was in use from Apr '17 to the Armistice.

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    Bager, I would suggest that you give this thread a bit of time for a variety of member to see it before you make your call. It has only been up for Less than 24 hours. You may want more input before you make a decision on this - not that I don't thin the AGE is a good choice, it's just there may be other worthies out there. Just my 2 cents.

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    NP Guys,
    I was hoping to get at least 5 choices and maybe do a poll to see which one will win. Then send that winning choice to the artist. I wait till next week before concluding. My choice is the: Salmson 2 or the Albatros-CX V

    Salmson 2

    Albatros CX V

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    Do you mean "that we don't have yet from Shapeways" or "that we don't have at all"? Because Skytrex do a model of the AEG.

    A Spad 11 or Spad 16 would be a useful addition to the stock of French 2-seaters. Drawings here:

    http://www.finemodelworks.com/arizon...ves/11/11.html

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    Yes that we don't have at all! Great suggestion keep them coming in so we can get a tally!

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    I would love to see the SPAD 11 too. Especially for use by Americans for use in a Spring 1918 game alongside their Nieuport 28s. I would also love to see a SPAD 13 in proper scale (the Wings of War version is significantly under scale) and would buy at least 6 of them. Towards this purpose, I've been discussing the SPAD 11 and 13 with one of the regular Shapeway modelers and think they may be coming sometime in the future. Maybe the regular modelers should be questioned what they might be coming out with soon?

    Revieresco has a fine model of the Salmson (see my photos posted a few weeks ago). Based on my experience with this kit, I wouldn't make a larger whitemetal kit of any aircraft for gaming purposes. In fact, I have a Skytrex kit of the AEG G.IV that I know I won't make because if it ever fell over its own weight would wreak it. So, my suggestion would be that if we have an opportunity to pick a unique aircraft from a Shapeways modeler using the lightweight Shapeways material, then we should pick something larger than a typical 2-seater that has not been produced in Shapeways matterial. So, if not the AEG G.IV then I would vote for the DH9 or Caudron R.11.

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    I'd second David with the SPAD 11/16 A.2, a significant aircraft not covered by white metal, resin or plastic producers (not sure about paper). Further suggestions: Pfalz D.VIII, Morane-Saulnier AI 27/29 C.1, Caudron R11 A.3, Alb C.VII/X/XII or the most common mid/late war german two-seater, the DFW C.V.

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    As for the Albatros C.XV - 'The Albatros C.XV was a German military reconnaissance aircraft developed during World War I. It was essentially a refinement of the C.XII put into production in 1918. The war ended before any examples became operational, however some found their way into civilian hands and flew as transport aircraft in peacetime under the factory designation L 47. Others saw service with the air forces of Russia, Turkey, and Latvia.' Source - Wikipedia

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    Phoenix C.I. One of the few official aircraft with no model.

    The Skytrex AEG G.IV is notoriously difficult to build. Look at the cage of struts around the engines to see why. Not for anyone but the most expert modeller. Many have been purchased, few built.

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    The DFW C.V is already available in a Shapeways model and is the same period, characteristics, and purpose as the mid-late Albatros 2-seaters. Most folks wouldn't be able to recognize the difference in appearance. ;-)

    If interested, the Pfalz D.VIII is available in SRAM and the Morane-Saulnier AI is available from Skytrex (I'm working on 2 right now to fly alongside my American Nieuports 28s and SPAD 11 - MS158 was also known as the 2nd Lafeyette Escadrille due to the large amounts of Americans in the squadron)

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    I was thinking of making a Pfalz D.VIII myself, after I finish the plane I'm working on right now (still trying to master scalloping the wings).

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    Quote Originally Posted by J53_Badger View Post
    Yes that we don't have at all! Great suggestion keep them coming in so we can get a tally!
    Well, if you want a big aircraft... there's this one.





    The Zeppelin-Lindau (Dornier) Rs III


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    Looks like a lifeboat transporter!

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    Well Im all for the SAML & Albatross, love the AEG, already gor two from Skytrex

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    OK, So far we have these planes on the list for voting Poll.

    1. AEG G.IV
    2. Salmson 2
    3. Albatros CX V
    4. Spad 11
    5. Spad 16
    6. Phoenix C.I

    I'll take 2 more and then Ill close the entries and post a poll. Thanks for the input guys...

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    DH9 or Caudron R.11?

    You might allow those interested in this to cast a vote for 2 or 3 different ones.


    The other Shapeways modelers will probably come out with any models not selected, and might even get the finalists done before the poll closes. ;-)
    Last edited by Mike W; 01-05-2012 at 19:01.

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    Definitely add Caudron R.11. Voisin III is my other choice. And of course the Caproni Ca4, another aircraft for which we have stats but no model.
    The larger planes may be easier to model, I think it really depends on the availability of 3-views and plans.

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    A DH.9 would be useful - i need a few for a 1920s Abyssinian project

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    I also have a Skytrex AEGIII which I got a friend of mine to build. He had a hard time building it, eg; having to replace the wing struts with brass rod. However the point I am trying to make is that it does not leave home and has its own special padded box and rareley gets used. So a shapeways one would be good for gaming also I would like to see the sea plane version of the shorts bomber

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    I'd like a Junkers J.I by Shapeways. Yes, I know Reviresco do one, but.......
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Since we are still on a Shapeways wish list, my total list in order of priority that I hope somebody at Shapeways will make:

    "Must Haves":
    1. A properly scaled SPAD 13 (need 6)
    2. Albatros D.I (need 3)

    "It would be nice but not critical":
    1. AEG G.IV (2)
    2. SPAD 11 (2)
    3. Nieuport 24 (2)
    4. Fokker D.III (2)
    5. DH9 (2)
    6. Caudron R.11 (2)
    7. Pfalz E.II (1)
    8. Ponnier M.1
    Last edited by Mike W; 01-06-2012 at 11:03. Reason: Added Pfalz and Ponnier

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    OK, So far we have these planes on the list for voting Poll.

    1. AEG G.IV
    2. Salmson 2
    3. Albatros CX V
    4. Spad 11
    5. Spad 16
    6. Phoenix C.I
    7. DH9
    8. Spad 13

    Ok we have our Choices now!
    I'll post a poll over the weekend and please take the time to vote for the next model! Thanks for all of the input guys.

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    Just a thought chaps but with the slant on Shapeways models should this not be posted in the Sub forum for 3D printed models?
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Can I suggest merging the Spad 11 and 16 as a single option? The major difference was the engine and I'm not sure if this led to a significant difference visually, so a single model might work for both (or it may be a simple job to apply some mods to the first to make the second)

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    I just saw the thread. There are no Italian made 2 seaters for the game yet!!! I want to see SAML2. The AEG IV and Caudron R.11 are really so different then any other plane being made so they would be great. Alot of 2 seaters can be substituted for another with the same maneuver decks for example I would love to see the Salmson 2, Spad 11 and 16 but we already have the BR14 which fulls that niche for now. DH9 is nice but we already have a DH4. There are alot of German 2 seaters out there now and even a A-H one.
    The Italians are completely left out as far as 2 seaters are concerned.

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    I would tend to agree that the SPAD 11 and SPAD 16 could be merged into one. Note that the SPAD 11 and 16 were intended as France's version of a 2-seat fighter when introduced, so belong in the category of the Bristol fighter, Hannover and Halberstadt CL types to be deployed as a fighter. Also, for those trying to run games based upon American squadrons, the SPAD 11 provides a unique addition for games set in Spring 1918 before the later primary types are deployed.

    Although I suggested the DH9, and would love to set up a big British bomber game with a mix of DH4s and DH9s, I'm fine with dropping it off this list. I"m sure it will eventually get modeled by one of the Shapeways guys.

    Also, the AEG and Cauldron were unique in being 3-seaters and their missions, one as the largest German tactical bomber over the battlefield (as opposed to strategic boming by Gothas, etc.) and the other as the largest French an escort fighter! These do provide unique gaming opportunities.

    So, I propose merge the SPAD 2-seaters, drop the DH9, add a SAML and put back the Cauldron R.II
    Last edited by Mike W; 01-07-2012 at 09:43.

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    Ya jus gotta have the Caudron R11, AEG GIV, Salmson, and correct size SPAD XIII. They get my votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    The Italians are completely left out as far as 2 seaters are concerned.
    "But there's no market for those!" [eyeroll]

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    "But there's no market for those!" [eyeroll]
    Have a care Chris. Speak not ill words, even in jest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    "But there's no market for those!" [eyeroll]
    *raises hand*

    I hereby announce myself as a hungry market for anything from the Italian front that has no official model, only an official card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    "But there's no market for those!" [eyeroll]
    The original question was a poll for a two seater. How do you know if there was a demand if no Italian plane was on the poll? The Austro-Hungarians now have 3 two seaters available. So it would seem to me that there is some demand for an Italian two-seater. I do realize that the UK used the RE-8 and the French used the Sopwith 1 1/2 strutter which are available on the Italian front. I believe the more people are aware of this very interesting front the more it will be played.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Watchdog View Post
    *raises hand*

    I hereby announce myself as a hungry market for anything from the Italian front that has no official model, only an official card.
    New 2-seater poll on the Shapeways forum to test the interest.

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    There are some Italian two-seaters in my offer, Pomilio PE and SIA-7B.

    http://www.modelimex.com/aircraft-resin?Page=2

    Or I´ll offer this type to sell here in WoG now, for better price
    Michal

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    Smile

    Iam up for a Phonicx C.I plus any of the early war 2 seaters from Germany like the DFW's etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    How do you know if there was a demand if no Italian plane was on the poll?
    Note carefully what I put at the end of my statement:

    "'But there's no market for those!' [eyeroll]"

    That [eyeroll] is in reference to earlier arguments on this forum concerning Nexus's paint-scheme selection, and certain folks' certainty that the "only market for paint schemes is: British and French for Entente, and German for Central Powers; there's no one buying acft. painted in 'lesser powers' schemes".

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    The Skytrex AEG G.IV is notoriously difficult to build. Look at the cage of struts around the engines to see why. Not for anyone but the most expert modeller. Many have been purchased, few built.
    The Few, the Proud!


    Voss

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    Note carefully what I put at the end of my statement:

    "'But there's no market for those!' [eyeroll]"

    That [eyeroll] is in reference to earlier arguments on this forum concerning Nexus's paint-scheme selection, and certain folks' certainty that the "only market for paint schemes is: British and French for Entente, and German for Central Powers; there's no one buying acft. painted in 'lesser powers' schemes".

    I'm sorry. I really did not understand what you were saying. I'm too old to understand "eye rolls" ect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    I'm sorry. I really did not understand what you were saying. I'm too old to understand "eye rolls" ect.
    This Forum does need a proper Sarcasm tag -- I for one would be working it like it was one of Lars Ulrich's bass-drum pedals. :)

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    Caudron R.11
    Pomilio PC
    Pomilio PE
    Ansaldo A.1
    Ansaldo SVA 5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    The Few, the Proud!
    Voss
    And very nicely done too.
    I'd gladly escort it to it's target
    Karl
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    I like Italian planes! And Belgian, French, Russian, British, French, Austro-Hungarian, and good ol' USA. So bring 'em on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Caudron R.11
    Pomilio PC
    Pomilio PE
    Ansaldo A.1
    Ansaldo SVA 5
    I like your list Zoe.

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