Ares Games
Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 133

Thread: The D.III Challenge!

  1. #1

    Default The D.III Challenge!

    The Albatros D.III had some of the best and most varied paint schemes of the entire war. So far Nexus has only given us three of them and F Toys graced us with a different three. Now it's time to see what you can bring to the community!

    Who: Any registered Wings of War Aerodrome member.
    What: Repaint Contest.
    When: 12 February 2012 is the deadline for entries.
    Winner chosen by: Community vote.
    Prize: Autographed Albatros D.III Brumowski Card by Andrea Angiolino, matted and framed for display.

    Name:  DIII001.jpg
Views: 709
Size:  43.0 KB

    The winner will also receive the F Toys Albatros D.III of the Red Baron:

    Name:  ftoysDiii.jpg
Views: 722
Size:  16.3 KB

    Rules:
    • One entry per member
    • Miniature can be from any other manufacturer or scratch built (no paper card models)
    • Must be 1/144 scale
    • Does not have to be painted during the contest.
    • Previous Wings of War Aerodrome repaint contest entries (minis) are not eligible.


    All entries must be PM'ed to Oberst Hajj with the following information:

    • Real name
    • Username
    • What miniature was used
    • Pilot and Unit name (if based on historical scheme)
    • No more than 3 photos
    • All photos need to be jpg format and [B]uploaded to one of your Albums. When you create the album, make it private via the settings.


    In addition to the signed card prize, the winner will receive the new Painting Contest Winner medal:


  2. #2

    Default

    May I suggest two modifications? First, that the model must be in 1/144 scale, and second that scratchbuilds (and possibly paper models?) be considered too.
    Three modifications. Allow Offag D.III 153 and 253 series too.
    Last edited by Zoe Brain; 12-11-2011 at 21:51.

  3. #3

    Default

    hmmmm... where is that repaint.. he he he.. or.. which one do I just not care enough about and do another repaint.. this may take some time..

  4. #4

    Default

    I am definitely in for this one.

  5. #5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    May I suggest two modifications? First, that the model must be in 1/144 scale, and second that scratchbuilds (and possibly paper models?) be considered too.
    Three modifications. Allow Offag D.III 153 and 253 series too.
    Zoe, I never considered that someone would do a scale out side of 1/144, but I have added it to the rules. I've also clarified that scratch builds may be entered. I'm not allowing paper models on this one. What is difference between the Albatros D.III and the Albatros Offag D.III?

  6. #6

    Default

    Neat! I'm tempted. I even have a Skytrex D.III ready to go.

  7. #7

    Default

    Yeah, I personally would like to enter this one LOL. Maybe I'll just paint one up to take part in it, but not "enter" it into the contest.

  8. #8

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    What is difference between the Albatros D.III and the Albatros Offag D.III?
    BWA HA HA.....
    I love it when someone gives me a straight line like that....

    I'll stick with the obvious external appearance differences, rather than subtle ones.

    Albatross D.III




    Oeffag D.III 153



    In terms of performance, the Oeffag D.III had a more powerful engine, far better aerodynamics (giving it the speed of a D.Va or better), and most importantly, had a completely different internal wing structure. The wings didn't fall off.

    Essentially it's a derivative of an Albatros D.III, even more different from a basic Albatros D.III than a D.V (like this one) was.





    Early model Oeffag D.III 53 were almost indistinguishable externally from Albatros D.III's. The shape of the cockpit though shows that internally, they were different. The guns were also buried in the fuselage.




    Then they removed the spinner, giving a flat nose, and added a cowling:




    Then rounded the nose - the cowling was often removed in summer




    Finally, the 253 series moved the guns to the top decking




    I simplify - early 153s looked like 53s, early 253s like 153s, but you get the idea.

  9. #9

    Default

    Okay, so my next obvious question is... does anyone make kits or models of these or would any possible entries be only scratch built? I'm leaning towards not allowing them since the appearance of the plane its self will effect on the finished model looks... which can throw off the contest.

  10. #10

    Default

    Zio Prudenzio has given us six versions of the Albatros D.III which can be built as 1/144 scale cardmodels.

    See: http://www.zioprudenzio.it/Fka_Alba3.html

    Repainting the cardmodels is beyond my skill level but six is enough for me so it does not matter.

  11. #11

    Default

    I've got four (well three and a retouch) D.III repaints in my album already, just need to take a pic of one on it's own. It'll be very interesting to see the paint jobs that are entered for this contest, lots of great schemes out there and lots of great painters on here.

  12. #12

    Default

    What is difference between the Albatros D.III and the Albatros Offag D.III?
    Depends on series. The ones before series 253 only differed in what engine that powered them, and that the machine guns were inside the fuselage. The series 253 had a different style of nose, with no spinner and rounded off lines. I am going to try to submit my 253, as all material in it (except the paint) come from the original mini. I just rounded off the nose, filed down the spinner, and cut away the guns.

    Edit: Sorry, went some time between starting to type and actually sending it. A lot of posts popping up in that time. Not easy typing while running up stairs as a mailman in a city. :P

    /Jörgen
    Last edited by Wombat; 12-12-2011 at 07:12.

  13. #13

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Okay, so my next obvious question is... does anyone make kits or models of these or would any possible entries be only scratch built? I'm leaning towards not allowing them since the appearance of the plane its self will effect on the finished model looks... which can through off the contest.
    Colinwe of S.......s will be releasing one soon, probably within 24 hours, as a companion to his recent Albatros D.III. I believe it will have a cowl and round nose, so look like this:



    For others, it's a straightforward kit-bash.

  14. #14

  15. #15

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Colinwe of S.......s will be releasing one soon, probably within 24 hours, as a companion to his recent Albatros D.III. I believe it will have a cowl and round nose, so look like this:



    For others, it's a straightforward kit-bash.
    Dang, that's a slick looking machine!

  16. #16

    Default

    Zoe Brain, do you know what the handle sticking up behind the cockpit was for, please?

  17. #17

    Default

    May even have a crack at this one myself. I just happen to have one D. III. spare to paint up, and didn't know what to do with it.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  18. #18

  19. #19

    Default

    Ah...great contest!

    Too bad I can't paint.

    For even more inspiration, go here:

    http://www.wwiaviation.com/gallery-albatros-diii.html

  20. #20

    Default

    Aye I got a spare DIII or two so Ill be in again

  21. #21

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Zoe Brain, do you know what the handle sticking up behind the cockpit was for, please?
    Sorry, I don't.

  22. #22

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Zoe Brain, do you know what the handle sticking up behind the cockpit was for, please?
    It has some similarities to the handle of a parabellum machine gun which was commonly mounted on observer's cockpits.
    Of course there are also some differences.
    The handle does appear to belong to some kind of weapon.



    This example is at the West Point Museum.
    See: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/westpoint.htm
    Last edited by Zakopious; 12-12-2011 at 21:10.

  23. #23

    Default

    [QUOTE=Zakopious;109681]It has some similarities to the handle of a parabellum machine gun which was commonly mounted on observer's cockpits.
    Of course there are also some differences.
    The handle does appear to belong to some kind of weapon.

    a/ Maybe a flare pistol stowed on the starboard side of the fuselage? Unusual, but possible, as a horizontally-mounted rearward facing MG was tried (and quickly scrapped) on Martinsyde G.100/102s.
    b/ Artist's misinterpretation of the straps from the pilot's seatbelt rolled onto the turtledeck ready for use?

    A downward-facing, rearward-firing MG would require a contortionist with eyes on stalks if he were going to aim at anything sneaking up on his low 6, and ground-strafing MGs on WW1 aircraft are forward-facing!
    Last edited by Baldrick62; 12-13-2011 at 04:59. Reason: Sp

  24. #24

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Anyone need some ideas, look here.
    I may do Vera just for fun (as an homage to my blunderbuss named Vera, which was itself an homage to Jayne's "Callahan full-bore auto-lock" named Vera.)

  25. #25

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick62 View Post
    Maybe a flare pistol stowed on the starboard side of the fuselage?
    That was my conjecture, but I can't be certain. I can't think of an alternate explanationn though.

  26. #26

    Default

    For camouflage inspiration you can also look here:
    http://www.fortunecity.com/campus/de...53/kam/oef.htm
    http://wp.scn.ru/en/ww1/f/415/59 (list of camouflages is in the right column)

  27. #27

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Zoe Brain, do you know what the handle sticking up behind the cockpit was for, please?
    Here is an image of a German WW I Signal Pistol:



    If the trigger guard were removed (to make room for the pilot's gloves), the handle is very close to that on the plane.

    Ken

  28. #28

    Default

    Fortunately bought some nexus D.III on one of the auction sites today at a very good price...uffff. You won't believe: 2xBrumowski, 1xVoss, 1X Hautzmayer. Busy January'12 ahead!!!

  29. #29

    Default

    Herr Oberst,

    BTW, due to the winter holidays we have [two weeks in January] (how is it in other countries?) is it possible to extend the deadline to the end of February?

  30. #30

    Default

    I guess I should not say you that I have one extra Hautzmayer... (and some Udet's D.V)

  31. #31

    Default

    Does anyone have a link to a site where I can get some German/A-H decals for 1/144 models, please?

  32. #32

    Default

    Jan, search the web for dom's decals.
    Last edited by Nightbomber; 12-15-2011 at 12:09.

  33. #33

    Default

    Thanks, Andrzej, that is exactly what I need.

  34. #34

    Default

    But be aware of one thing, Jan. Hurry up. It may take 5-6 weeks to get the decals. Ravenlord's (Germany) and my own (Poland) waiting experience is the same. Anyway, the decals are of very good quality and I recommend them (I used them for my Pfalz and D.V repaints posted some time ago in the Hobby forum).

  35. #35

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Sorry, I don't.
    It´s a flare-pistol in a holder on the right side behinds the cockpit!

    Matthias

  36. #36

    Default

    It is. Whilst looking for a Pfalz D.XII scjeme I found this illustration that shows a similar arrangement:


  37. #37

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Fortunately bought some nexus D.III on one of the auction sites today at a very good price...uffff. You won't believe: 2xBrumowski, 1xVoss, 1X Hautzmayer. Busy January'12 ahead!!!
    Darn, and I'm missing a Brumowski. Good find!

  38. #38

    Default

    David,
    Thanks for the confirmatory V-ID. It does seem a little strange on the Oeffag to have it mounted so far back that the pilot would have needed to reach behind his right shoulder to get to the pistol, but I guess it worked for him!
    Cheers,
    BofB

  39. #39

    Default

    On the subject of the competition, I was tempted to enter my W.4s, since they were converted from D.III models, but I guess that took them "out of arc" for the comp



    Good luck to all the entrants in the Challenge and I look forward to seeing (and voting for) your excellent work soon

  40. #40

    Default

    David,
    Nice work on the W4s!

  41. #41

    Default

    I'm in!

    I'll make three and choose the one I think I mangled the least...
    (pity there's only one entry per member)

    [Is it me (again!?) or are the two liks to the pictures in the original post broken? I get a message saying I haven't got the proper rights! Impossible, everybody knows I have ALL THE RIGHTS! ]


  42. #42

    Default

    Count me in. Just need to figure out what paint scheme it will be.

  43. #43

    Default

    Suggestion for a theme for next comp - floatplanes and seaplanes.

  44. #44

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by petitbilbo View Post
    I'm in!

    I'll make three and choose the one I think I mangled the least...
    (pity there's only one entry per member)

    [Is it me (again!?) or are the two liks to the pictures in the original post broken? I get a message saying I haven't got the proper rights! Impossible, everybody knows I have ALL THE RIGHTS! ]

    You can't see the card or mini images?

  45. #45

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    You can't see the card or mini images?
    Both the links to DIII001.jpg and ftoysDiii.jpg say that I'm lacking the rights to see them...

    Why? Oh why does this always happen to me?
    (Must have offended the server somehow...)


  46. #46

    Default For those who fancy a real challenge...



    That's Brumowski next to Linke-Crawford.

    And if you look really carefully... you'll see what his Oeflag D.III series 153 really looked like.
    Brumowski had three red Oeffag DIIIs. Two early series 153,with the nose set up for a spinner, (153.45 and 153.52) and a later series 153, with the rounded nose, (153.209).
    That looks like a flat nose to me, set up for a spinner.

    According to Austro-Hungarian Aces of World War 1. Christopher Chant. Osprey Publishing, 2002. ISBN 1841763764, the skull was mustard-yellow, not white. This isn't born out by the photo though (whew!)

    Flik 41J marked their planes with yellow-and-black wheeldiscs in November 1917. So that's probably the colour there. If so, we've identified what yellow looks like.

    His plane, while overall red, had "Brumowski spirals" in mustard painted on it.

    Here's Brumowski's Hansa-Brandenburg D.I with them:



    Here's one of his aircraft before his Red period:



    And another, of another pilot:



    Here's Linke-Crawford's machine



    Here's what it looks like on red:



    Compare this one with the photo:



    Now look at the rudder. Note that it's not red, it's yellow, with red(?) spirals on.

    Hand-painting those spirals in 1/144 would be tricky.
    Last edited by Zoe Brain; 12-25-2011 at 23:15.

  47. #47

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Hand-painting those spirals in 1/144 would be tricky.
    Hand-painting those spirals in any scale would be tricky, not to mention bloody tedious!

  48. #48

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by petitbilbo View Post
    Both the links to DIII001.jpg and ftoysDiii.jpg say that I'm lacking the rights to see them...

    Why? Oh why does this always happen to me?
    (Must have offended the server somehow...)

    Same here, so don't take it personally :P

    Dave

  49. #49

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Baldrick62 View Post
    Hand-painting those spirals in any scale would be tricky, not to mention bloody tedious!
    Well that certainly cleared up which scheme I am NOT gping to attempt...

    Dave

  50. #50

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Herr Oberst,

    BTW, due to the winter holidays we have [two weeks in January] (how is it in other countries?) is it possible to extend the deadline to the end of February?
    How far into Feb would you need it to go?

    Quote Originally Posted by petitbilbo View Post
    I'm in!

    I'll make three and choose the one I think I mangled the least...
    (pity there's only one entry per member)

    [Is it me (again!?) or are the two liks to the pictures in the original post broken? I get a message saying I haven't got the proper rights! Impossible, everybody knows I have ALL THE RIGHTS! ]

    Quote Originally Posted by Rat of Vengence View Post
    Same here, so don't take it personally :P

    Dave
    How about now guys, can you see them?

Page 1 of 3 123 LastLast


Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •