Card rules vs mini rules

**petitbilbo** · 06-19-2011 07:15

[This poll concerns miniature players, if you mainly play with cards, please don't answer!]

As seen in the "How do you play Wings of War? Minis, cards or both." poll, more than 3/4 of the players who answered play mainly with miniatures.

Wings of War seems to have been written for play with cards, the miniatures having only appeared later. The result of this is that there are several (I admit, slightly) different rule sets, depending on what box you have bought and that the handling of minis, especially if using special rules, seems a bit confusing at times.

Do you think that the transition in the rulebooks from card only rules to minis had been well managed? Or do you think that, even in the latest box (FOTG), minis are treated as an aside rather than the 'version' of the game played by the majority?

Thanks for answering,

petitbilbo

PS: this is the second poll I'll be using to compile a post about the game

**Bluedevil** · 06-19-2011 08:15

It would be nice to have..but its not a necessity... However if you feel the need to make a compedium for the mini's : I want one!

**Niclas** · 06-19-2011 08:55

In general, I find the rulebooks a bit lacking in usability. Certain topics, especially exceptions/optional rules, are spread out under different headings/rulebooks so that it's easy to miss a rule that you don't keep fresh in your mind.
The over all quality is good, better than most games I think. They cover most situations and are fairly consistent, it's just the disposition that I can have problems with at times.

/Niclas

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 06-19-2011 09:08

A quick play sheet would be useful for new players. Once you get used to the system the book is a lot easier to manage than many rule sets I've used.
rob.

**petitbilbo** · 06-19-2011 09:20

Again, in type, these are the kind of answers I was hoping for.
(Never sure if I formulate my questions well enough...)

Keep it coming guys (and gals)!

petitbilbo

**petitbilbo** · 06-19-2011 09:23

Originally Posted by Bluedevil

It would be nice to have..but its not a necessity... However if you feel the need to make a compedium for the mini's : I want one!

That's not exactly what I had planned...

And then, even IF I'd make one, it would be in French, as all other peeps I'm playing with are French speakers.

petitbilbo

**Albert Ross** · 06-19-2011 11:47

Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte

A quick play sheet would be useful for new players. Once you get used to the system the book is a lot easier to manage than many rule sets I've used.
rob.

I have made one with the basic maneuvers and our house rules on altitude and collision damage incorporated

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 06-19-2011 12:25

Originally Posted by Number4

I have made one with the basic maneuvers and our house rules on altitude and collision damage incorporated

That could be quite useful Stuart. Could you download it to the site?
Rob.

**Albert Ross** · 06-19-2011 13:42

On the way Sir!

**Lugburz** · 06-19-2011 14:15

Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte

A quick play sheet would be useful for new players. Once you get used to the system the book is a lot easier to manage than many rule sets I've used.
rob.

[Click links for files in "Game Aides" section]

I've already got you covered Rob!(full color, double sided with all the necessary rules). Also, for an even SMALLER reference sheet in black and white. The mini-reference sheet is the same one I made for Commander Hajj, for use at Origins 2011.

Lugz

**Ginarley** · 06-19-2011 14:30

Doesn't the revised deluxe set rulebook cover everything from a miniatures point of view?

**Flying Officer Kyte** · 06-19-2011 14:51

Originally Posted by Lugburz

[Click links for files in "Game Aides" section]

I've already got you covered Rob!(full color, double sided with all the necessary rules). Also, for an even SMALLER reference sheet in black and white. The mini-reference sheet is the same one I made for Commander Hajj, for use at Origins 2011.

Lugz

Got it thanks. Have another

Rob.

**Madboyo** · 06-19-2011 16:40

I find the revised rulebook (from the deluxe set) and balloon busters book fits all needs quite clearly....

**CappyTom** · 06-19-2011 16:51

Originally Posted by Madboyo

I find the revised rulebook (from the deluxe set) and balloon busters book fits all needs quite clearly....

I agree with Chris, but a one sheet reference page would be good to have table side.

Does someone have a link to the latest reference sheet for WoW and DoW?

Tom

**Madboyo** · 06-19-2011 16:53

Originally Posted by CappyTom

I agree with Chris, but a one sheet reference page would be good to have table side.

Tom

A one pager would be useful.

**Albert Ross** · 06-19-2011 17:30

Originally Posted by Madboyo

A one pager would be useful.

Yes. Laminated so tears and spilled beer wipe off easily

**PKHansma** · 06-19-2011 18:23

Having written manuals and maintained them for 20 years, maintaining them alone with updates/corrections/additions is a constant chore.
A manual with all rules categorized and coded for cards, minis, and both. Categories (chapters) would include, Movement, Shooting, Damage, Altitude, Etc. If formatted correctly, you would change only the pages per category. Having to keep changing multiple/cascading pages and the associated indexes would be a pain and expensive (See Star Fleet Battles as an example.).
Since the game is still evolving and with the current technology, a text based manual makes the most sense, for now.

**Bluedevil** · 06-20-2011 02:01

Originally Posted by petitbilbo

That's not exactly what I had planned...

And then, even IF I'd make one, it would be in French, as all other peeps I'm playing with are French speakers.

petitbilbo

you can't blame me for trying...

**Doug** · 06-20-2011 02:53

Originally Posted by Madboyo

I find the revised rulebook (from the deluxe set) and balloon busters book fits all needs quite clearly....

I agree with Chris and would also add no rules for what ever reason they are written fit every occasion,

**Bartman** · 06-20-2011 03:57

Originally Posted by Number4

Yes. Laminated so tears and spilled beer wipe off easily

Crying?! There's no crying in Wings of War!

There is definitely beer though

**IRM** · 06-20-2011 08:24

Originally Posted by petitbilbo

[This poll concerns miniature players, if you mainly play with cards, please don't answer!]

As seen in the "How do you play Wings of War? Minis, cards or both." poll, more than 3/4 of the players who answered play mainly with miniatures.

Wings of War seems to have been written for play with cards, the miniatures having only appeared later. The result of this is that there are several (I admit, slightly) different rule sets, depending on what box you have bought and that the handling of minis, especially if using special rules, seems a bit confusing at times.

Do you think that the transition in the rulebooks from card only rules to minis had been well managed? Or do you think that, even in the latest box (FOTG), minis are treated as an aside rather than the 'version' of the game played by the majority?

Thanks for answering,

petitbilbo

PS: this is the second poll I'll be using to compile a post about the game

I expect this is where I'm supposed to point this out

http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...do=file&id=420

It's based off the Deluxe set (which was more miniatures based) plus additional rules from everything before FotG, reorganised as needed. Not available in anything other than English I'm afraid, sorry petitbilbo !