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Thread: Any AARs featuring the Grumman Avenger

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    Default Any AARs featuring the Grumman Avenger

    I'm currently reading Commando Comics issue 5209 titled American Avenger. The story is about a Grumman TBF/TBM crew. Their missions are mostly ground attack bomb runs. Up to now, I knew the Avenger was a torpedo bomber. A quick online search notes the a/c was also effective in the anti-submarine role.

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    Given the Avenger's effectiveness as a multi-mission aircraft, surely it has been featured in forum AARs, but I'm not finding any.

    Any Grumman Avenger fans amongst the forum members?

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    There has never been an official mini - there might be 1/144 scale options?

    Have a look at the Official Grumman Avenger Painting Thread; anyone who has painted one up might have an AAR showcasing it.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    I never saw a 1/144th option; stickly 1/200 scale for my WW2.
    AiM has aa Avenger mini in 1/200:
    https://www.angelfire.com/nj4/armame.../resin09mm.htm

    And I thought I saw some on at least painting threads.
    I do have stats

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    I haven't yet played with the ones I have painted up. I'll have to do something about that!

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    Minicraf made one in 1/144. I have three of them but I haven't done a scenario with them yet. I prefer the dauntless.
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    They featured at the last Flight Club as part of a bigger game
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...l=1#post590091

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    They featured at the last Flight Club as part of a bigger game
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...l=1#post590091
    Interesting game. The Devastators and Avengers would have had a better chance of survival had there been a fighter escort to engage the Zero. Interesting AAR all the same.

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    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry R. View Post
    Interesting game. The Devastators and Avengers would have had a better chance of survival had there been a fighter escort to engage the Zero. Interesting AAR all the same.
    The Avengers, maybe, Larry, we only lost one Devastator (mine) to flak from the 'guard ships', but all four put their torps home and the other three escaped if I remember correctly. There were F4F's out there amongst the Avengers but it didn't seem to help them much !
    Gary (Hu Rhu) provided the scenario and the Avenger & Devastator models for us and ran the game.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    You're a bit mixed up there, old chap!

    They were all Dauntless dive bombers and Devastator torpedo bombers - there were no Avengers in play.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    You're a bit mixed up there, old chap!

    They were all Dauntless dive bombers and Devastator torpedo bombers - there were no Avengers in play.
    Tim is correct. No Avengers in play since is was a very early Pacific war scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    You're a bit mixed up there, old chap!

    They were all Dauntless dive bombers and Devastator torpedo bombers - there were no Avengers in play.
    After a close relook at the photos, those do look like Dauntless, which is a bit confusing as the AAR mentions Avengers repeatedly.

    In which battles did Avengers play a role, other than Midway? The story of George H.W. Bush, a young Avenger pilot, could be an interesting basis for a game scenario.
    Last edited by Larry R.; 12-09-2023 at 08:42.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
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    Fine artistic work, Mike. May I suggest a card for the Avenger piloted by Lt. George H.W. Bush of VT-51 flying from the USS San Jacinto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry R. View Post
    Fine artistic work, Mike. May I suggest a card for the Avenger piloted by Lt. George H.W. Bush of VT-51 flying from the USS San Jacinto?
    At least three Avengers names "Barbara," among other planes. Any particular one?
    One source: The TBF/TBM Avengers of George H.W. Bush in WW II
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Good question, Mike. I'll try to find out.

    Here's a video of the Bush rescue:

    https://youtu.be/om4u_DxyJxE?si=YhZ0zPa0bTUq0e4C
    Last edited by Larry R.; 12-09-2023 at 17:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry R. View Post
    In which battles did Avengers play a role, other than Midway?
    All subsequent battles. 3rd Solomons, Santa Cruz, Philippine Sea, Leyte Gulf etc. etc.

    Midway was the last hurrah of the Devastator (the six Avengers flying from Midway island during the battle had been actually allocated to USS 'Hornet's air Group, but the two had not yet met up) - they were replaced on all US carriers after Midway, and the type saw no further combat action, all survivors being transferred to training and target towing.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry R. View Post
    Good question, Mike. I'll try to find out.

    Here's a video of the Bush rescue:
    https://youtu.be/y6gcyihmWMU?si=uR0WmdCFPEiazWmC
    Larry - your video is a 6-second Christmas advert.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCraig View Post
    Larry - your video is a 6-second Christmas advert.
    Uh-oh! Fixed and double checked!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    At least three Avengers names "Barbara," among other planes. Any particular one?
    One source: The TBF/TBM Avengers of George H.W. Bush in WW II
    According to this news article https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-geo...-world-war-ii/
    Barbara I was lost in a training incident, Barbara II was lost in combat.
    Last edited by Larry R.; 12-09-2023 at 20:58.



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