Short Stirling card request

[abovetheclouds]

I've picked up a few new planes (Short Stirling, HP Halifax, SM-79 II Sparviero, and Me 262B) and I'm looking for cards to go with them. Any help would be appreciated.

Short Stirling: 90 Squadron, RAF, 1944

[abovetheclouds]

It's been almost a month so I thought I'd bump my three different card requests: SM.79 II Sparviero, Short Stirling, and HP Halifax B Mk.III bombers. I couldn't find any stats for the two British bombers.

[OldGuy59]

It's been almost a month so I thought I'd bump my three different card requests: SM.79 II Sparviero, Short Stirling, and HP Halifax B Mk.III bombers. I couldn't find any stats for the two British bombers.

Hmmm... The SM.79 is already available.
Link-> OldGuy59's WWII Italian Bombers Album - SM.79 II Sparviero Plane Card (There are a few different planes, with management cards)

PS: I have a line drawing of a Short Stirling Mk IV...

[abovetheclouds]

PS: I have a line drawing of a Short Stirling Mk IV...

I'll keep my fingers crossed. Plus, I wonder if Karl would be able to provide the stats for both the Short Stirling, and the HP Halifax.

[Jager]

I'll keep my fingers crossed. Plus, I wonder if Karl would be able to provide the stats for both the Short Stirling, and the HP Halifax.

I'll see what I can do, but I'm coming down to the wire for Origins, and despite my best intentions, I'm behind on my deadlines.
Karl

[Jager]

I looked around, and found that I had done them

Short Strling Mk.I:
Deck: XA; Hits: 48; Ceiling: 6; Climb: 8
Guns: Nose turret: A/A, 180, low to high;
Dorsal turret: A/A, 360 level to high;
Tail turret: B/A; use Lancaster arc; just shy of 180, low to high.

Halifax Mk.III:
Deck: XA; Hits: 43; Ceiling: 8; Climb: 9
Guns: Front gun: A/A, front arc, low to high;
Dorsil turret: B/A, 360 level to high;
Tail turret: B/A, use Lancaster arc; just shy of 180, low to high.

Karl

[OldGuy59]

I looked around, and found that I had done them

Short Strling Mk.I:
Deck: XA; Hits: 48; Ceiling: 6; Climb: 8
Guns: Nose turret: A/A, front arc, low to high;
Dorsal turret: A/A, 360 level to high;
Tail turret: B/A; rear arc, low to high.

Halifax Mk.III:
Deck: XA; Hits: 43; Ceiling: 8; Climb: 9
Guns: Front gun: A/A, front arc, low to high;
Dorsil turret: B/A, 360 level to high;
Tail turret: B/A, rear arc, low to high.

Karl

You, Sir, are Awesome!

[abovetheclouds]

Fantastic! Thank you Karl!!

[OldGuy59]

Are the arcs OK on this? I used a modified Lancaster layout...

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[Edited: Adjusted Firing arcs to match turret capabilities.]

[OldGuy59]

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[Edited: Corrected Note.]

[abovetheclouds]

I am extremely pleased with these cards. It'll be nice to have some new British bombers to fly.

I'll download these cards and have them prepped to print upon Karl's approval of the firing arcs.

[Jager]

Well, the one source I have for arcs only has the front and back as standard arcs . However, since it says that for the Manchester, and we know from
the Lancaster that they are greater, use the Lancaster arcs. So go to a full 180 for the front turret.
I'll fix the files.
Karl

PS: changed the Halifax's tail turret arc to match. the front gun will stay the same in this model.

[abovetheclouds]

Well, the one source I have for arcs only has the front and back as standard arcs . However, since it says that for the Manchester, and we know from
the Lancaster that they are greater, use the Lancaster arcs. So go to a full 180 for the front turret.
I'll fix the files.
Karl

PS: changed the Halifax's tail turret arc to match. the front gun will stay the same in this model.

Do the arcs need to be adjusted on Mike's card? Or are they good to go?

[Jager]

Do the arcs need to be adjusted on Mike's card? Or are they good to go?

The front turret need to be 180. So yes, an change is needed.
Sorry Mike.
Karl

[OldGuy59]

The 'official' Lancaster card has these arcs:

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The Short Stirling has the same turret mountings? So, the arcs should be the same?

And the H-P Halifax had the same rear turret on all marks, so the Mk III should have the same rear arc, I suspect.

[Jager]

I think it should be 180, but since this is how Andrea drew it for the Lanc, yes use that arc.
Karl

[OldGuy59]

Cards above corrected for errors and firing arcs.

[OldGuy59]

I think it should be 180, but since this is how Andrea drew it for the Lanc, yes use that arc.
Karl

Details of the Type F-N.20 Tail Turret
Position in Aircraft: Tail
Motive Power: Hydraulic Motor
Armament: 4 x 7.7 mm (0.3030 in) Browning Mk.II Guns
Ammunition: 2,500 rounds per Gun; 1,900 in Fuselage Boxes, 600 in Feed Tracks
Ammunition Feed: F-N Hydraulic-servo-feed from Fuselage Boxes
Gunsight: Mk.III free mounted Reflector Sight; Mk.IIC Gyro Gunsight
Fire Control: Palmer electric

Field of view:
Traverse: 94° to each Beam
Elevation: 60°
Depression: 45°
Weight of Turret (empty): 148 kg (325 lb)
Weight (Operational): 614 kg (1,350 lb) = Gunner – 82Kg (180-lb); Guns – 40Kg (88-lb); Ammo – 218Kg (480-lb); Boxes – 15Kg (33-lb); Tracking – 23Kg (50-lb)
Diameter of Ring: (30½in)
Armour (when fitted): 9 mm (0.354in) armoured plates to Front aspect

If this is representative of tail turrets on Lancasters, Wellingtons, and other aircraft, it would allow firing arcs as indicated on the official Lancaster card.
Source: Tailend Charlie Ted Church.wordpress.com/tail-gun-turret/

[flash]

That'll do the job, Mike.

Iirc the tail end Charlie could rotate the turret for a quick exit out the back if he needed it.

[Jager]

If this is representative of tail turrets on Lancasters, Wellingtons, and other aircraft, it would allow firing arcs as indicated on the official Lancaster card.

Sorry, I was unclear. I meant the front turret. Was it the same?

Karl

[OldGuy59]

Sorry, I was unclear. I meant the front turret. Was it the same?

Karl

Details of the Nash and Thompson Type FN.5 Front and Rear Turret

Position: Nose: Short Stirling Mks.I, II & III, Short Sunderland Mks II, III & V, Vickers-Armstrong Wellington Mks.1A, 1C, II, III, IV & X, Vickers-Armstrong Warwick Mks. I & II, Avro Manchester Mks. I & IA, and Avro Lancaster Mks. I, II, III & VII
Tail: Vickers-Armstrong Wellington Mks.1A, 1C & III (early)
Motive power: Nash and Thompson hydraulic, WP 21 kg/sq cm (285 lb/sq in)
Armament: Two 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Browning Mk.II guns
Ammunition:
Nose: 1,000 rounds per gun
Tail: 2,000 rounds per gun
Fire control: Palmer hydraulic
Field of fire:
Traverse: 190 degrees
Elevation: 60 degrees
Depression: 45 degrees
Rotational speed (Maximum): 90 degrees/sec
Rotational speed (Minimum): 0.5 degrees/sec
Weight of turret:
Wellington: 115 kg (252 lb)
Stirling: 107 kg (235 lb)
Manchester/Lancaster: 108 kg (237 lb)
Diameter of ring: 88 cm (34.5 in)
Gunsight: Mk.IIIA reflector sight

The following aircraft were fitted with the Nash and Thompson FN.5 Front and Rear Turrets

Aircraft types: Vickers-Armstrong Wellington, Vickers-Armstrong Warwick, Avro Manchester, Avro Lancaster, Short Stirling and Short Sunderland
Type & Mark:
FN.5: (FN.5A: Avro Manchester & Avro Lancaster)
Position: Nose and Tail (Vickers-Armstrong Wellington Mks.1A, IC & III early)
Guns: 2 x 7.7 mm (0.303 in) Browning Mk.II
Traverse: 190 degrees
Elevation: 60 degrees
Depression: 45 degrees

Source: Forum.axishistory.com - British Power-Operated Gun Turrets

The above text and photos were taken from "British Aircraft Armament Vol.1: RAF Gun Turrets", by R Wallace Clarke.