Incorrect movement on the Immelmann

**CappyTom** · 02-02-2011 15:08

Hello All,
One question, if you plan an Immelmann and place the wrong movement card and also the wrong speed. Do you collect 2 A damage tokens? One for the wrong card and one for the wrong speed. Just need clarification.

Thanks
Tom

**tuladin** · 02-02-2011 15:54

Here's the rule in question:

If a player plans an illegal maneuver because he fails to follow these restrictions, when the illegal maneuver is revealed, replace it with a straight card and take an “A” token of damage for the stress on the structure of the airplane. If the maneuver is correct but the speed marker is not, replace the marker with an appropriate one and take an “A” damage token.

You're asking what happens if someone comes out of an Immelmann with, say. a fast turn instead of the required slow straight? Do they take damage for both mistakes?

I would say no. The second sentence only applies if the maneuver was correct.

**CappyTom** · 02-02-2011 17:07

Originally Posted by tuladin

Here's the rule in question:

If a player plans an illegal maneuver because he fails to follow these restrictions, when the illegal maneuver is revealed, replace it with a straight card and take an “A” token of damage for the stress on the structure of the airplane. If the maneuver is correct but the speed marker is not, replace the marker with an appropriate one and take an “A” damage token.

You're asking what happens if someone comes out of an Immelmann with, say. a fast turn instead of the required slow straight? Do they take damage for both mistakes?

I would say no. The second sentence only applies if the maneuver was correct.

Thanks Larry. When I was reading the rules it sounded like they got one for each.

**tuladin** · 02-02-2011 17:26

Of course, I could be wrong. I hope others chime in with how they play it.

**Oberst Hajj** · 02-02-2011 23:31

I would also say they only take one.

**Stormkahn** · 02-03-2011 13:14

I say one but for a different reason...

Under the "Other Optional Rules and Altitude" the HS marker is immediately replaced with a LS marker regardless of planning, therefore he can't be at the wrong speed in this example. Generally I'd only say one anyway, sounds a bit harsh taking two

cheers,

Dave

**CappyTom** · 02-03-2011 13:28

Originally Posted by Stormkahn

I say one but for a different reason...

Under the "Other Optional Rules and Altitude" the HS marker is immediately replaced with a LS marker regardless of planning, therefore he can't be at the wrong speed in this example. Generally I'd only say one anyway, sounds a bit harsh taking two

cheers,

Dave

I agree. Just don't want any arguments before the fact. Thanks guys

**MayorJim** · 02-03-2011 13:43

We rarely use altitude...but, what we do for any illegal move is require a full straight to be played immediately in place of the illegal one...no damage taken...

**CappyTom** · 02-03-2011 14:19

Originally Posted by MayorJim

We rarely use altitude...but, what we do for any illegal move is require a full straight to be played immediately in place of the illegal one...no damage taken...

So Jim are you talking about WW2 or WW1? Cause we do it that way with WW1. I guess we could do it with WW2 as well. I will see what everyone says.

**MayorJim** · 02-05-2011 19:16

Tom,
Sorry, wasn't too clear there...that's what we use for WW I...for WW II...it really hasn't arisen...yet...;-) I'm open for suggestions that don't bog things down too much.

**Stormkahn** · 02-05-2011 23:25

for WW2 the rules are the same, replace the illegal move with a straight at the current speed and take an A damage chit.....unless you play the optional ironman rule...

cheers,

Dave.

**CappyTom** · 02-06-2011 05:15

Originally Posted by Stormkahn

for WW2 the rules are the same, replace the illegal move with a straight at the current speed and take an A damage chit.....unless you play the optional ironman rule...

cheers,

Dave.

Ironman rule? Is it in the book?

**Stormkahn** · 02-06-2011 07:52

Originally Posted by CappyTom

Ironman rule? Is it in the book?

Pg 9, optional rules - any illegal card play = death. Nasty

**CappyTom** · 02-06-2011 14:52

Originally Posted by Stormkahn

Pg 9, optional rules - any illegal card play = death. Nasty

That's what I thought. Just didn't feel like getting my box out to see the rules. Thanks.

**MayorJim** · 02-07-2011 15:53

Okay...I finally had to look it up. Page 9 states; "Illegal Moves: When a player plans an illegal move (for example, two steep manuevers in a row, or a Low Speed-only manuever at High Speed), at the moment in which that manuever has to be performed, the plane goes out of control and is eliminated. The plane counts as shot down by the enemy team for victory conditions."

not exactly Ironman...more like drop like a lead-balloon man ;-)