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    How does the tail look on the DH2. Any drop or bending? The roundels and coloring looks great!

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post
    How does the tail look on the DH2. Any drop or bending? The roundels and coloring looks great!
    No, I think the tail's span is short enough that it doesn't suffer from whatever causes the wing-droop. (Which is fixed with a little heat.)

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    Lovely aircraft. I particularly like the DH2, despite it being a very simple paint job. Do these (and other shapeways aircraft) come fitted with a peg?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hu Rhu View Post
    Do these (and other shapeways aircraft) come fitted with a peg?
    All my full-color ones have a WoG-style flight peg. My uncolored models do not, since a good number of people willing to put in the time to paint and decal a model have alternative methods for mounting the planes. There are sets of pegs available on Shapeways though, or you can download the STL file if you have a 3D printer.

    Other Shapeways modelers differ on whether to include a peg... some do, some don't. You can rotate a 3D model on the Shapeways page if you're not sure.

  5. #105

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    I got some more full-color test prints from Shapeways and I'm pretty happy with them:

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    Does this mean you will be able to sell them on Shapeways soon instead of Etsy?
    The colours look much richer in the models you just posted.

  6. #106

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    Alas, no movement on Shapeways allowing direct sales of that material. It would sure be nice to cut all the Etsy added costs off the products.

    As for colors, maybe it's just the lighting? Though I did reduce the weathering on some of the wing colors.

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    All my full-color ones have a WoG-style flight peg. My uncolored models do not, since a good number of people willing to put in the time to paint and decal a model have alternative methods for mounting the planes. There are sets of pegs available on Shapeways though, or you can download the STL file if you have a 3D printer.

    Other Shapeways modelers differ on whether to include a peg... some do, some don't. You can rotate a 3D model on the Shapeways page if you're not sure.
    Thanks for the info.

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    I'm happy to announce the availability of full-color Fokker Triplane models! I started with these four:

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    There is some debate about whether Voss' plane had the factory streaked-olive paint or whether the cowl and wheels would have been repainted in Jasta 10 chromium yellow, so I included both and I'll let you decide.

    More paint schemes will follow, e.g. Lörzer, Papenmayer, Preiß, Stark, but I'm not sure which and in what order.

  9. #109

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    Oh man...

    Great models, Daryl!

  10. #110

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    Great selection of Dr1s Daryl.

  11. #111

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    Fantastic!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

  12. #112

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    JOY! I guess I will be spending more money! Who needs to eat lunch anyways!

  13. #113

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    Can I cast a vote for Papenmayer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    I'm happy to announce the availability of full-color Fokker Triplane models! I started with these four:

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    There is some debate about whether Voss' plane had the factory streaked-olive paint or whether the cowl and wheels would have been repainted in Jasta 10 chromium yellow, so I included both and I'll let you decide.

    More paint schemes will follow, e.g. Lörzer, Papenmayer, Preiß, Stark, but I'm not sure which and in what order.
    Appears there isn't much you cannot do with that monster printer. Any thought to doing 4 aircraft in a group release from the same Jasta? (Option to buy individually of course). I'd propose some, but everyone has their favorites...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brak Morn View Post
    Any thought to doing 4 aircraft in a group release from the same Jasta? (Option to buy individually of course). I'd propose some, but everyone has their favorites...........
    I don't think Shapeways pricing would give much of a price break to printing two or more full-color prints at a time, unlike some of the other materials. So it would be strictly for marketing reasons. You could put together your own bundle of, say, Jasta 18 planes though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post
    Can I cast a vote for Papenmayer.
    I moved it to the front of the queue. I have a question, though.

    At this time, Jasta Boelcke (2) planes had their horizontal tail surfaces painted black on one side and white on the other. Most of the paintings of Papenmeyer's plane -- all from the left -- show the left fuselage rear as white (from the side crosses back). Here's a link to an example: http://www.fokkerdr1.com/Profiles/images/WB_214_17.jpg

    Yet this photo...with Papenmeyer's plane in the foreground... clearly shows the fuselage rear -- aft of the side-cross -- as a dark color. Was the fuselage rear painted in the same way as the horizontal tail plane... white on the left side and black on the right side? Is that how the Ares Kempf is done?

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    Inquiring minds want to know!
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    The Kempf and Baumer Fokker Dr.I have the Black on the rights side of the wing and white on the left side of the wing.

    As for the part of the plane under the wing. Here are the two Ares Jasta 2 models from their website.

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    Looks like other model builders and artists have white on the left fuselage and black on the right fuselage.

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    Interesting... on Baumer they painted the region in question black but on Kempf they just left it streaked-olive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    Interesting... on Baumer they painted the region in question black but on Kempf they just left it streaked-olive.

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    Well, they sure did. HHmm.....looks like the Baumer has the white and black. The Kempf looks like he could be olive streak on both sides.

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    Flying Helmet has researched Jasta 2 quite a bit. Maybe he may have a good answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post


    Flying Helmet has researched Jasta 2 quite a bit. Maybe he may have a good answer.
    Thanks for the nod!

    Unfortunately, I haven't got as far as the introduction of the Fokkers - I'm currently mired in mid-'17, figuring out the Albatros D.III/D.V switch-over.

    After a quick skim through Osprey's Aviation Elite 26 - "Jagdstaffel 2 'Boelcke; every single photograph and every single colour Profile shows either black or white fuselage sides beneath the horizontal stabilisers, on both the Fokker Dr.1 and the Fokker D.VII.

    Kempf flew at least 2 different Fokker Dr.1s with Jasta 'Boelcke', and these underwent changes to their Staffel schemes and personal identification, so it is possible that there was a triplane with "Fokker streaky" extending back to the rudder, but I can't find any pictorial or written evidence without embarking on an in-depth search.

    My immediate conclusion is that 'Ares' have made a mistake - the "Fokker streaky" on the minis is probably incorrect.

    So too is that jpg 3-view in Camelbeagle's post above.

    More research needed.
    Last edited by Flying Helmut; 01-11-2022 at 15:39.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Thanks for the nod!

    Unfortunately, I haven't got as far as the introduction of the Fokkers - I'm currently mired in mid-'17, figuring out the Albatros D.III/D.V switch-over.

    After a quick skim through Osprey's Aviation Elite 26 - "Jagdstaffel 2 'Boelcke; every single photograph and every single colour Profile shows either black or white fuselage sides beneath the horizontal stabilisers, on both the Fokker Dr.1 and the Fokker D.VII.

    Kempf flew at least 2 different Fokker Dr.1s with Jasta 'Boelcke', and these underwent changes to their Staffel schemes and personal identification, so it is possible that there was a triplane with "Fokker streaky" extending back to the rudder, but I can't find any pictorial or written evidence without embarking on an in-depth search.

    My immediate conclusion is that 'Ares' have made a mistake - the "Fokker streaky" on the minis is probably incorrect.

    So too is that jpg 3-view in Camelbeagle's post above.

    More research needed.
    Interesting. Perfect proof that the internet is not always correct!

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post
    Interesting. Perfect proof that the internet is not always correct!
    Indeed!

    It seems to be wrong as often as not; only about a 50% accuracy rate...
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    I haven't seen any photo of Kempf's streaky tail Dr1. Besides ARES, Corgi also makes/made a Kempf model with the streaky tail. Unfortunately the latest Aeronaut book on the Fokker Dr1 has nothing on it. I have found a web site that has 2 photos with Kempf's Dr1, one each with a black/white, white/black tail, not streaky.

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    Those Triplanes are looking good! I ordered mine. Much anticipation for them to arrive!

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    Thanks! I'm enjoying the "painting" of them enough that I'm able to publish new paint schemes pretty often. For example, I figured it would be pretty hard to paint or decal the diamond-band and struts on Frommherz's Dr.I, so that pushed it up higher on the list. Plus I'm a Jasta Boelcke fan.

    It helps a lot that it is winter here and most of my other distractions have faded away with the cold weather.

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    Ditto! Jasta Boelcke fan as well! Looks like I will be buying another Dr.I!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    Thanks! I'm enjoying the "painting" of them enough that I'm able to publish new paint schemes pretty often. For example, I figured it would be pretty hard to paint or decal the diamond-band and struts on Frommherz's Dr.I, so that pushed it up higher on the list. Plus I'm a Jasta Boelcke fan.

    It helps a lot that it is winter here and most of my other distractions have faded away with the cold weather.
    Please don't add them too quickly - I can't keep up!

    The schemes I would like to see (and purchase) are Albatros D.III/D.V and Pfalz D.III/IIIa with multiple rings around the fuselage; these are almost impossible to paint, or to decal using stripes, around the "conical" fuselages.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Please don't add them too quickly - I can't keep up!

    The schemes I would like to see (and purchase) are Albatros D.III/D.V and Pfalz D.III/IIIa with multiple rings around the fuselage; these are almost impossible to paint, or to decal using stripes, around the "conical" fuselages.
    Yes, the stripping around the fuselage is quite a pain to do!

    I also love the Jasta 11 Fokker Dr.I. The Ltn Werner Steinhauser paint schemes are pretty neat!
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    I'm working on Hanriot HD.1's. Does anyone have a photo or drawing of the top wings of Olieslagers' or de Muelemeester's HD.1's? I only seem to be able to find side views, and my references on Belgian planes are pretty sparse.

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    This first picture is from The Belgium Air Service. A massive tome. I will comb the pages to see if I can find more.

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    Here is a card I found on this site somewhere. I think it may be from Guntruck's albums.

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    Also from Pieters' The Belgian Air Service. The photos noted as corresponding in the profile descriptions; not a ton to go on I'm afraid.

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    There is also this one of de meulemeester, which looks like the Hanriot?
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    Thanks! The old Windsock Datafile for the Hanriot HD.1 has a layout for the 5-color French camouflage on an HD.1, so if I can determine that any of those plane used it, I can do those wings with confidence. I suspect that if the sides were camouflaged, the wings would have been too.

    The hard one is Olieslagers' No.8 with the side-stripes. That one looks like a solid dark color to me, with some silver-white on the inboard part of the lower wing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post

    The hard one is Olieslagers' No.8 with the side-stripes. That one looks like a solid dark color to me, with some silver-white on the inboard part of the lower wing.
    The Belgians often overpainted the upper surfaces of the wings in a single dark olive green (sometimes, but not always, obliterating the roundels).
    This was most commonly seen on the Nieuport 17s/23s in Belgian service. In the case of the N.23 at least, the "factory" aluminium dope was left untouched on the lower wing upper surface where it was adjacent to the fuselage; 2 or 3 wing ribs at least.
    See my Belgian Nieuport 23s for colour photos!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    Thanks! The old Windsock Datafile for the Hanriot HD.1 has a layout for the 5-color French camouflage on an HD.1, so if I can determine that any of those plane used it, I can do those wings with confidence. I suspect that if the sides were camouflaged, the wings would have been too.

    The hard one is Olieslagers' No.8 with the side-stripes. That one looks like a solid dark color to me, with some silver-white on the inboard part of the lower wing.
    Trying to find some pictures of actual planes.

    I see model kits built of Coppens and De Meulemeester. The interpretation is that their planes had a standard camo scheme. The wheels, engine cowl, and tails had some personal coloring.

    The Olieslagers looked like he striped the top of the fuselage with a green and white/silver patter. The tail and engine cowl had a similar pattern.

    Will keep looking for some actual pictures.

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    I was looking at the same book and photos as Chris. Not much help as you can't make out anything from the few photos there.

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