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    Default Building the Felixstowe Fury!

    I know it's a single build, but I only a tiny bit of time and the elves are still in therapy. It starts with sorting some magazines . . .

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    Great issue, all kinds of goodies . . . . Then this baby took over!

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    A few nice photos . . .

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    Awesome drawings!

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    Cut some bass wood and a bit of foam . . .

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    A bit of shaping . . .

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    More parts . . .

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    Ready for the engines. But first we gotta go to work for a day

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    Ah so cute! . . . Next gen on track!

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    That's gonna be awesome! And so will be the next gens!

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    Popcorn time again...
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Dave, as usual, you are amazing!

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    Interesting project...

    Side observation, one of the little apprentices a Jurassic Park nut? (I'm ONE piece away from a complete collection of that Matchbox line myself... )
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    Look forward to seeing this Giant climb off the table, Dave

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Awesome! And their apprenticeship is going swimmingly.

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    Dave, a helpful Lego tip. Have them build on a light colored towel. The parts are still visible and it keeps the small round pieces from rolling away.
    So how many books are in your personal library?

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    Great idea! Just finished the Lunar Lander so many rolling bits!

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    A towel inside a large shallow Rubbermaid tub, like the ones restaurant busboys use to haul stuff back to the dishpit, works even better.

    Four decades of Lego experience talking here... really wish I had somewhere I could leave the Jurassic Park Gate up for display.
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    That’s going to be awesome Clipper... alas my Lego building is mostly pink and involves ponies. (That’s granddaughters for you)

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    Hmmm... I can't find any decend line drawings of this plane, online.

    Any way to help, Dave? Your drawings are looking pretty good.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Looks like another high-quality build from the grandmaster.

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    You really are a very clever guy David. Looks awesome already. Looking forward to seeing the finished product

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Hmmm... I can't find any decend line drawings of this plane, online.

    Any way to help, Dave? Your drawings are looking pretty good.
    Hey Mike I have great drawings for you but have been swept off to Idaho for a few weeks. Luckily I brought them along with me. Can you pm me your email? Cheers, Dave

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    This might work...
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    Thanks, Dave.

    PS: Dual Lewis gun mounts fore and aft?
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 06-16-2021 at 08:53.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Yes, twin guns were planned, there is a decent Wiki on it. Looking forward to your magic! One photo shows the color scheme, green wings, brown forward fuselage white rear tail and stabilizer . . .

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    Couldn't find the Wiki, but I tried this:

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Since there was only one built, I think the green you have done is Great!

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    Admiring this photo:
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    Not sure of the colors, but PC 10 for the wings and tail, brown (Black?) for the fuselage sides, and White/Light Grey for the top of the fuselage (PC 10 nose and cockpit bands, perhaps).

    This photo of a all-white fuselage just before crashing:

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Decisions, decisions. Both are cool! Fun subject indeed. Just imagine those interplanetary struts, they must have been like trees!

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    Next iteration:

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    Followed by shading and highlighting, and twin gun mounts.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Only just caught this thread Dave.
    Another masterful concept. Can't wait to see the outcome.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Wowzer! Can't wait to see the final product on a game table! Amazing Dave!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    Decisions, decisions. Both are cool! Fun subject indeed. Just imagine those interplanetary struts, they must have been like trees!
    Would that make this Felixstowe a...

    *Glasses Pull*

    ... Flying Forest?
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    Going where no pun has gone before . . . ☺

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    Going where no pun has gone before . . . ☺
    Sorry, old friend, couldn't resist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Would that make this Felixstowe a...

    *Glasses Pull*

    ... Flying Forest?
    Good one, DB; not the only big biplane this title could go to
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    Would that make this Felixstowe a...

    *Glasses Pull*

    ... Flying Forest?
    He "wood" be the one to say that...
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    A bit further along:
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    Added twin Lewis gun Scarf mounts (constructed from three different drawings), and started the shading of the fuselage.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Stats need to be confirmed, as they are a guess:

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    He "wood" be the one to say that...
    With Chris having dropped out of formation, somebody has to be the pun-isher around here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    These might be helpful:

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    I have the "Flight of the Giants" boxed set, but I don't have the skill/knowledge to calculate the Damage Points. The listed speed of the Fury was within a few kms of the F.2A, so I used the same Maneuver deck.

    With a crew of seven, I can produce a Management Card, but that will wait for stats confirmation.

    Crew: Officer in charge; 2 x Pilots; Wireless Operator; Chief Engineer; 2 x Mechanics. Two of the crew would act as Gunners.

    PS: With a proposed passenger capacity of 24-30, there is a lot of room in the hull. It is interesting that the drawings don't show windows/portholes anywhere. Cargo/luggage hatches?
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Crew: 1. Mechanic/Gunner; 2. Pilot; 3. Co-Pilot; 4. Officer in Charge/Pilot; 5. Wireless Operator (Pilot/Gunner?); 6. Chief Engineer (Pilot/Gunner?); 7. Mechanic/Gunner.

    I don't believe, due to the location of the engines, that repairs would be done in flight, but I could be wrong. With such a large airframe, there could be other gun positions from the fuselage. I just don't know enough about this plane to add them in. Anyone have drawings that might suggest where they could be positioned?
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Frustrating lack of info, I only turned this up online:
    The crew were carried in three cockpits – a bow gunner’s position, dorsal position for the flight engineer and a side by side two seat cockpit for the pilots.
    Positions for four .303in Lewis guns (twin mounts I'm guessing)
    http://www.historyofwar.org/articles...e_F4_fury.html

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Admiring this photo:
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    Not sure of the colors, but PC 10 for the wings and tail, brown (Black?) for the fuselage sides, and White/Light Grey for the top of the fuselage (PC 10 nose and cockpit bands, perhaps).

    This photo of a all-white fuselage just before crashing:

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    Looking at the lower image in the previous post, I see peoples' heads behind the cockpit, perhaps under the wings. Also, a dark area, with ribs or bars, further aft, still under the wings, but not aft of the props.

    This image also seems to indicate an opening under the wings, or behind the cockpit:

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    Note: you can see the nose position, and the cockpit with glass windshield, but there are heads aft, and perhaps under the wing, behind the wing struts. There is another head further behind them, perhaps the aft gunner position or not quite far enough aft? The aft gunner position may be behind the wing struts, and not visible, or there wasn't anyone occupying that position in this image.

    Anyway, as a one-off plane, with no plans to use it offensively, the tail gun position may have been considered sufficient. Had the plane been used offensively, there may have been more gun positions. There were enough crew to man more guns. Aft waist guns could have been similar to the F.2A and F.3s.

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    Artist sketch of the F.2A side gun position:
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    Note: There is a hatch on the upper fuselage, under the wings, co-located with the engines. Either a maintenance hatch, and/or a cargo/loading hatch. This is something I've been looking for for the Fury, as there had to be an access for the 24-30 passengers and cargo, other than the cockpit and gunners ports. The openings in the photos above might have allowed passengers and cargo to be loaded more easily.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Another attempt to figure out what a seaplane might look like internally:

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    In the above image, I have overlaid a partial internal structure drawing over a full hull design drawing. I think the internal structure shown is the cockpit area, with the blue line as the Cockpit floor. There is space under that for the main floor. Which would indicate that the main area in the hull could have been up to six feet high.

    F5 restored section:
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    Note: The lower image shows the cockpit area, with a cockpit floor and a main floor along the keel.
    Source: East Anglias Aviation Heritage Centre of the Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    An amazing amount of information you have discovered! I had this on my "someday" build list just to finish out my WWI catalog. There are less than a dozen on my list now. I will be back in Arizona the 8th of July and catch up with the shop elves. Thanks for all your efforts, they are magnificent! The next beast will likely be the Zeppelin killer-that couldn't climb high enough to fire its cannon
    . . .

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    I’m not sure if this is any use at all but here is a link to the instructions for the Wingnut Wings Felixstowe kit:

    http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/produ...tid=3115&cat=4

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    These images of the Felixstowe F.5 under construction clearly show the cockpit, gun positions, top and side hatches you're looking for


    But no such hatches appear in the hull of the Fury when the hull was weighed - maybe it was top loaded through a hatch behind the cockpit where the bodies appear in the other photos.?


    Under construction
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    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
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    But no such hatches appear in the hull of the Fury when the hull was weighed - maybe it was top loaded through a hatch behind the cockpit where the bodies appear in the other photos.?


    ...
    Dave,
    I understand that the prototype plane didn't have any waist guns. I was thinking of planes past the prototype. No operational airframes were actually produced, as the war ended before the Fury was past the test flight phase. The idea of waist guns is a what-if.

    And to take it another step, perhaps top wing guns?
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    Note: Curtiss H12B N4339 with two nacelles at the inner bay interplane struts.
    Source: Flyingmachines.ru - Felixstowe F.2 - F.5
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Wow! Way cool thinking and the pictures are enticing! Now is when I start thinking about getting out the resin molds and do a dozen . . .

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    That Curtiss is a proper porcupine !
    I don't think the construction of the Fury hull would allow for hatches as seen on previous models but I could see some being put in where it changes in the curve toward the tail - ie where the colour changes in this image.


    On the weighing image you can see this is likely linen over frame so easy to pop a ply hatch in. I dare say they could have Lewis guns mountable by the forward hatches behind the cockpit as optional positions.

    "He is wise who watches"



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