Making this was a bit of fun.
Making this was a bit of fun.
But a very nice effort, Robert.
I like the theory, but unless a yellow filter was used, most photographic film of that time would render yellow fairly dark. (Details in Jasta Colors, pp. 245-253.) Yet the under-square does appear a lighter shade of gray than the horizontal stabilizer. Hmmm.Originally Posted by greenalfonzo
I guess if no one knows for sure, no one can complain. (Right... I'm fooling myself there.)
I'm certainly a fan, and I cheer on all the card-making efforts! But I'll also mention that I publish unofficial plane cards for all the full-color planes on the Wings of Linen wiki when they become available. I only mention this so we don't duplicate efforts. (Well, unless you want to... feel free.)
Here's an example I published earlier:
The chances of the square being painted are increased if the plane had its Eisernkreuz markings adapted into the Balkan straight-edge-cross format - 'Reviresco' have a decal set for this plane, in a slightly different format, with the pilot listed as "Karl Degelow of Jasta 40", and the lozenge wings carry Eisernkreuzen on both the top and bottom wings.
Using white paint to 'straighten' the bars of the Iron cross would then require the background square to be repainted, so the fuselage green would be the logical choice.
If the upper wings were repainted as shown, I would fully expect the lower wings to be repainted in the same way.
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Okay, I finished the Dilthey paint scheme. I assumed the squares under the wing-crosses were green. It's a handsome livery.
I guess I will be making that my first purchase from you. How does shipping work? Is it the same for each plane, or is there a discount for multiples?
Nice plane Daryl
Shipping is basically just what Shapeways charges plus a charge that Etsy adds on top. I'm pretty sure the shipping applies "per order" rather than "per plane".
When I added one plane to my basket, the shipping was $16
When I had increased to 4 planes, the shipping was still $16
On both 4-plane orders...
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I'm gonna spitball something into this discussion. As Tim suggests, it could have been that when the unit painted off the "Eisernes Kreuz" on a white background, and went to the straight "Balkenkreuz" of 1918, they needed to get rid of all the white space left behind. They didn't recover the wings with lozenge camo fabric, they just painted over the white with a darker color, and in this case went with the green from the fuselage.
Just my thought, no period references available.
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Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Excellent info Tim and Mike! Just another random thought here, but I wonder if they lightened up the fuselage stripe green paint with some white to match the green tone in the lozenge camo when repainting the wing?
Quite possibly, but I doubt it.
It's extra effort, and, anyway, the white border of the cross shows up much better against a dark field compared to against a light one.
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Happy days. My brand new full colour scout has arrived safely. And I have managed to intercept the UPS deliveryman, which saves me having to be cross examined by swmbo. I bought Ltn. Vogel's Pfalz D.XII from Jasta 23b. I am very impressed with the quality of this model. I only need to print off his pilot card then he'll join Ltn. Stark in an upcoming game that I am planning with my new regular opponant.
Waiting on my Pfalz to leave the factory! How did yours turn out Baron Rolf?
My Pfalzes are en route - hope to get 'em early next week
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My Pfalz D.XII looks really good Dan. And the wings didn't need straightening.
Sounds pretty awesome! Hope mine show up before too much longer.
I had to pay Import charges and "Brokerage charge" extortions - this held up my delivery.
I hope they will arrive tomorrow.
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Is that common in the UK?
It seems to be entirely random.
As a Radiographer, 'pattern recognition' is a large part of my job.
As a Radiographer of over 30 years experience, I like to think I'm pretty good at recognising patterns.
In the long history of all my overseas purchases, I can't identify any logical pattern.
Three dozen orders from Japan - only one attracted Import Duty.
3 from the Philippines - none had Import Duty, despite all 3 being larger than the Japan Import Duty order.
From the USA, only 3 times was Import Duty charged (one order from Keith, not the largest I placed with him), out of thirty or more orders.
From Canada, Import Duties were charged EVERY SINGLE TIME! Even on orders of less than Ł10 value!
Of the three orders I have placed with Etsy for your super 3D colour print planes, the first 2 did not have Import Duty attached, the third (larger) order did.
I don't know whether the size of the order, or the frequency, or just pure random chance is the trigger for charges to be attached...
My next order will be several weeks away, and of lower total value, to see whether I can avoid such charges next time.
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I'm trying to decide which airplane to next "prepare for skinning" so I can make some full-color 3D prints available, and I'm kind of torn. Nieuport 11 or 17 (multi-nation!)? Fokker Dr.I (iconic!)? Siemens-Schuckert D.III/D.IV (top-performer!)? Pfalz D.III (lots of great paint schemes!)? Sopwith Camel (must-have!)? Something Austro-Hungarian (rare!)? Or something else?
It just can't be a two-seater... those are (currently) too expensive.
Any suggestions?
D.H.2
Already done: https://www.etsy.com/listing/1079285...olor-miniatureD.H.2
Dr.I, many many interesting planes. A classic everyone wants to fly.
Pfalz D.III as you say, lots of great schemes. Maybe you would get people interested in flying these.
what he said..................
I think you'd get the most interest by tackling planes with the most complex schemes.
Nieuport 11 and 17 were mostly single-colour-all-over, or two-tone (upper-lower) like most Camels, and most painters would probably be happy to tackle those schemes for themselves, so the remaining customer base would be smaller.
I think the best option for widespread Sales would be the Fokker Dr.1 and the Pfalz D.III/IIIa with complicated colour schemes - most folks would already have the manoeuvre decks for these models.
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That's not how you spell Sails
Agree with Tim and others, Fok Dr.I and Pfalz D.IIIa in complex schemes would be appealing.
I would be interested in some Siemens Schuckert D.III myself. Hard to find plane as well. The wing lozenge...nice but I do not want to try and model.
Loving the Pfalz DXII so far.
As for Nieuports. The Italian Nieuport 17 with the large dragon down the side of it would be a good one to try.
Thanks!!!!!!!!
I have two Ni.17 schemes from No. 60 squadron, if some might be interested in those. Although there are decals from MiscMinis for them.
PS: A possible D.III scheme:
Carl von Degelow of Jasta 40
PS: Found out that the above image is an "imagining" by the modeler. The original paint scheme was with aluminum wings. I like the dark lozenge camo more.
Last edited by OldGuy59; 12-07-2021 at 09:33.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
In trying to decide which plane-type to do next, it was the nice variety of Pfalz D.IIIa paint schemes that made the difference. Like these three lovely planes which I just finished:
I'm sure there will be more Pfalz D.IIIa paint schemes to come. I'll try to post here when I get a test print. The last set of prints I ordered are somewhere in the mail.
Nice looking Pfalz.
That does it!
You are off my Christmas card list!!!
Three new schemes, and I want two of them....
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They're some really nice planes there.
There you go Tim. XMas Present to your self!
Yes, it is, and thank goodness for it!They're some really nice planes there.
KAUS! KausKausKausKaus.......there, that's 5 more votes.........In trying to decide which plane-type to do next, it was the nice variety of Pfalz D.IIIa paint schemes that made the difference. Like these three lovely planes which I just finished:
I'm sure there will be more Pfalz D.IIIa paint schemes to come. I'll try to post here when I get a test print. The last set of prints I ordered are somewhere in the mail.
Only 2That does it!
You are off my Christmas card list!!!
Three new schemes, and I want two of them....
Karl
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Since I had already done the stripes for Kaus (and they were a pain), it wasn't hard to do a Bethge Pfalz as well (Jasta 30). Shorten the stripes, remove the camo from the wings, switch to Iron Cross markings, and some other misc. changes.
I already did Muller, over 4 years ago.Only 2
Karl
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RatsSince I had already done the stripes for Kaus (and they were a pain), it wasn't hard to do a Bethge Pfalz as well (Jasta 30). Shorten the stripes, remove the camo from the wings, switch to Iron Cross markings, and some other misc. changes.
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Peter (Teaticket) tells me that there is a school of thought that Kaus' stripes and outlines were yellow instead of grey or black, contrary to some older clues. Since no one will ever know for sure, I'll probably due an alternative paint scheme for Kaus, and the buyer can decide. I did the same for Udet's Fokker E.III.
Hi, are you going to do the Sopwith triplane to fix the wings issue?
Ah - the same question that plagues the fuselage stripe on Klein's Pfalz D.III; first interpreted as probably yellow, then as probably black, and now as probably red...
Which of the Kaus interpretations is the more recent and/or more likely? I probably won't want to buy both.
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Some RNAS with the more colorful paint jobs would be cool!
They would, but they weren't applied to Sopwith Triplanes
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Yeah, I had considered moving the Triplanes up in the line, but they're not very exciting color-wise: PC10 or PC12 with a band and/or other letter or number markings.
Yes, PC10 is not that exciting. How about some Siemens-Schukert. Anything exciting there. I always like the Udet paint scheme.
I would love to see Hanriots in both Italian and Belgian markings. Hell, I would love to see anything really to add to your range.
The pictures of the printed planes show a very shiny finish...does that apply in person? If so, I am guessing a touch of matte coat could dull it down?
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