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    Postscript: as a post report the following has been reported. Having been shot in a cowardly way from lower altitude and from behind (this is not the German way and there is no honour in this!!) my plane spiralled towards the ground smoking badly from the engine area. There was a damp patch on my fur lined boots where bullets had ripped through the bottom canvas and penetrated my left leg left just above the knee as a parting gift from our German scout. I managed somehow to crash land in awkward way avoiding the forest but only adding to my injuries with a broken arm and smashing my head on the dashboard. Luckily for me, as we were behind our lines on the right side, an infantry unit saw the crash and rushed to my aid, pulling me from the wreckage as the remains exploded in spectacular fashion (scrap one Tripehound!). Having been collected by the aerodrome truck and having first aid administered to my arm, leg and head, I now sit in the Officers mess, sipping on a G & T and wonder where it all went wrong on my first flight. I am guessing that my inexperience in colliding with the German brute early on severely damaged my crate, but was happy to have got off a shot or two, even seeing one German plummet towards the ground on fire (unconfirmed by our forces), so I can only guess that it was this blighter that did me in having put out the flames on his doomed plane, not even giving me the thrill of my first kill and a round of drinks in the mess!!
    It seems that after a few weeks I rehabilitating I will be able to resume with greater experience and hopefully be on the end of a victory. My thanks extend to my flying comrades, Sam, who is still unaccounted for, and gangleader still up there somewhere taking on the whole hun entourage. It may be an idea to return to the drone to fight another day!
    I have a long memory and have taken note of the EA that shot me down, and will look closely at future missions to see if I can return the complement.
    Good Hunting all, and thanks to Suad Commander Karo for facilitating and running the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangleader147 View Post
    ..... time to name my plane pigeon.
    Speckled Jim... ? That's a good name for a Flanders pigeon..

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Urai View Post
    I was not sure what to expect, other than the Tripes were out gunned...
    How so ? All were using a B gun, the tandem had an extra I suppose but that wasn't used to it's full impact.
    Your chaps got done by the card draw and maybe a couple of errors rather than being out gunned.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    I have some work to do ....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
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    I have a long memory and have taken note of the EA that shot me down, and will look closely at future missions to see if I can return the complement.
    Elephants never forget ... and never forgive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangleader147 View Post
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    I have some work to do ....
    At least you're the same height as Tom Cruise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    At least you're the same height as Tom Cruise!
    And fire blanks ....

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    "I have a long memory and have taken note of the EA that shot me down, and will look closely at future missions to see if I can return the complement."

    Good thing this was just a fun game and we don't hold any grudges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    "I have a long memory and have taken note of the EA that shot me down, and will look closely at future missions to see if I can return the complement."

    Good thing this was just a fun game and we don't hold any grudges.
    No grudges, all said in character and jest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    "I have a long memory and have taken note of the EA that shot me down, and will look closely at future missions to see if I can return the complement."

    Good thing this was just a fun game and we don't hold any grudges.

    I haf your name in my little book Pike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    I haf your name in my little book Pike!
    Remember, most of your damage was self inflicted. Did you put your own name in your little book?

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    Out gunned via being able to use the tail/rear gun. Being able to shoot to the side or rear, where the Tripes only to the front.

    This is not a complaint, just my opinion.

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    The cards played a factor. It's a part of the game, but i also fire poorly. I earned my result.


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    I think I will adjust the winning conditions of this scenario the next time. The point values don't make much sense. There are only a few points for the recon Mission, were a shot down plane counts 12 points. So there's no great motivation to fullfil the mission goal for the players and the balance is affected, because the observer isn't observing and give one side a further gun. Next time I will stay with the observing points, grant 6 points for the downing of the recon plane and 3 points for every scout, which is shot down.

    On the other hand, the regular Looking down scenario has a Caproni or a Gotha on one side, so the balance is even worse.

    One maneuver still missing...

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    I am a little surprised with the way that things have turned out. Yes, two-seaters are dangerous but the Triplanes are faster and more manoeuvrable than the Halberstadt and Siemens-Schuckert so I was expecting a much closer result.. The card draw has certainly been a little unkind but not unusually so. I do think that a single high value target lkke rhe Roland can make it easier to anticipate your enemy's movements and that certainly played a part. Great game so far though and full of action.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Remember, most of your damage was self inflicted. Did you put your own name in your little book?
    Who flew into who? Joint effort I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    One maneuver still missing...
    We have all posted that we have sent Turn 5 moves in. Whose carrier pigeon has gone astray?

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    Not sure that the winning conditions are that far off, if Gangleader can shoot down the Roland he scores 24pts (18 + 6 because the Germans scored less than 6 Recce points). That would even things up very quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Not sure that the winning conditions are that far off, if Gangleader can shoot down the Roland he scores 24pts (18 + 6 because the Germans scored less than 6 Recce points). That would even things up very quickly.
    No pressure ...... so if all you sausage eaters could pootle off and leave me with the Roland, I'd really appreciate it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Who flew into who? Joint effort I think
    My opinion is as I stalled and you side slipped, you did more to create the collision. Had you gone straight there would not have been any contact. Not sure what I would have done if I wasn't on fire.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    We have all posted that we have sent Turn 5 moves in. Whose carrier pigeon has gone astray?
    Seems it was me. All done now!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by camel crew View Post
    Seems it was me. All done now!!!!!
    Hope you're flying off the battlefield

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    It is interesting how all the planes slowly went to one corner of the board!

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    From our point of view, the Roland was the target, so we all followed that and the a German scouts followed us.

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    I think that in order to negate the two gun Roland being effective against a fighter you need to attack with at least two at a time, difficult to co-ordinate though if you can’t communicate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    I think that in order to negate the two gun Roland being effective against a fighter you need to attack with at least two at a time, difficult to co-ordinate though if you can’t communicate
    We needed new batteries in our signal lamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    From our point of view, the Roland was the target, so we all followed that and the a German scouts followed us.
    It was the objective, although not unheard of me to get carried away and blazing guns oblivious to the actual objective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    From our point of view, the Roland was the target, so we all followed that and the a German scouts followed us.
    That was the point I was making earlier, following the Roland made your moves predictable. Maybe if you had gone for the escorts first, we would have had a very different game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camel crew View Post
    Seems it was me. All done now!!!!!
    Still eating Mutti's sandwiches?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    That was the point I was making earlier, following the Roland made your moves predictable. Maybe if you had gone for the escorts first, we would have had a very different game.
    I was head on to the objective so was aiming for him not to pick up the recce points, now you know I’m not always that tactical

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    Look forward to seeing what Lee can pull out of this situation !
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    Death or Glory !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Perhaps two to go to Roland and one to hold off escort. As it happens, we had one on one with scout, one against the Roland and one trying to get within range. The individual battles were lost (not helped by collisions and cards) leaving us where we are with hardly any shots against the Roland.

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    All enjoyable though, trouble is I was same as Gangleader and went for the objective ignoring the escort (I must say I thought the Halberstadt couldn’t get to me at the end, miscalculated distance, which is difficult to gauge on a photo of the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    ..I must say I thought the Halberstadt couldn’t get to me at the end, miscalculated distance, which is difficult to gauge on a photo of the table.
    Didn't help side slipping toward him; if you'd gone straight on he may not have shut the range down with his own sideslip but you did have another friendly coming in on that side so it was going to get tight.
    P is one of those slower decks that has a faster sideslip than a straight (by accident not design) but is a quirk worthy of note.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Perhaps two to go to Roland and one to hold off escort. As it happens, we had one on one with scout, one against the Roland and one trying to get within range. The individual battles were lost (not helped by collisions and cards) leaving us where we are with hardly any shots against the Roland.
    Standard combat rules should always apply; pit all your strength against just a part of the enemy's strength, and overwhelm him - then combine against what is left.
    Extremely difficult to do when unable to communicate with ones fellows/allies!

    Personally, I would have excluded the Roland by combining against the escorts using superior numbers, speed, manoeuvrability and climb rate - that way, halving the German firepower - then utilise that significant speed and manoeuvrability to catch and kill the Roland.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    From our point of view, the Roland was the target, so we all followed that and the a German scouts followed us.
    At that point both my guns had jammed. All I wanted to do was stick behind Lee so he couldn't shoot at me and hope I cleared my guns before John came in close

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Look forward to seeing what Lee can pull out of this situation !


    Death or Glory !
    Glory to the Emperor!!!

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    So glad there's an altitude difference between me and Teaticket or this could go horribly, horribly wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    From our point of view, the Roland was the target, so we all followed that and the a German scouts followed us.
    This was our train of thought... i went down like a train.

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    All maneuvers in. Take the pictures this evening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Standard combat rules should always apply; pit all your strength against just a part of the enemy's strength,.
    Same rules apply for the ladies .......

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Look forward to seeing what Lee can pull out of this situation !


    Death or Glory !
    Now there is a motto I haven’t used for a while.

    I think they opted for the same prior to the charge of the light brigade, along with ‘pah, what’s the worst that can happen’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gangleader147 View Post
    Same rules apply for the ladies .......
    I'm not sure what to make of this statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by camel crew View Post
    So glad there's an altitude difference between me and Teaticket or this could go horribly, horribly wrong
    My thoughts exactly. Took a minute to realize that while planning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    All enjoyable though, trouble is I was same as Gangleader and went for the objective ignoring the escort (I must say I thought the Halberstadt couldn’t get to me at the end, miscalculated distance, which is difficult to gauge on a photo of the table.
    Judging distance is always a guesstimate with these games. I've miscalculated badly on occasion and paid dearly for it.

    I was worried you would come and try to finish me off as you had a great position behind and above me with a faster and more maneuverable kite. I was in a dilemma, peel off and try to draw you away, but if you went for the Roland I'd be out of it and leaving the objective to the mercy of the damage cards, and we know what happens then. I had to try to protect the Roland so added my plane to the conference in the corner. Got very lucky as the damage cards were unkind to you.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 02-16-2021 at 12:19.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Judging distance is always a guesstimate with these games. I've miscalculated badly on occasion and paid dearly for it.

    I was worried you would come and try to finish me off as you had a great position behind and above me with a faster and more maneuverable kite. I was in a dilemma, peel off and try to draw you away, but if you went for the Roland I'd be out of it and leaving the objective to the mercy of the damage cards, and we know what happens then. I had to try to protect the Roland so added my plane to the conference in the corner. Got very lucky as the damage cards were unkind yo you.
    Same dilemma for me, but wasn’t sure if the damage cards had been unkind to you in the collision too ( we will find out at the end), guessed you had taken a couple of other hits from the fire damage, so decided to try to stick with Roland as I wanted to distract him from photos and as I was very badly smashed up anyway, probably one or at best two hits away from shot down, and hoped that you would peel away to conserve yourself if the fire did not go out. Also as I said, thought you were out of range at least on the first move as had to be short range and had planned an Immelmann in the next two moves to turn back on you.

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    All this and more will be revealed when we play - "Looking Down - Round 5"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Urai View Post
    I'm not sure what to make of this statement.
    Should have been in relation to standard combat rules apply, in order to win a fight you need odds of at least 3:1in your favour.

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    Turn 5:

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    Teaticket and camel crew drift left, to chase the escaping Gangleader147. Camel crew’s pilot opens fire on the Tripe.

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    Sauerkraut and Gangleader147 are performing Immelmanns. Camel crew pulls up while Teaticket below him continue his left turn. Gangleader147 shoots at Teaticket from above. Teaticket and camel crew return fire.

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    Teaticket climbs, Sauerkraut is back in the action and camel crew’s gunner shoots on Gangleader147.

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    Well that’s all ‘not very friendly’.

    Turn 6 being sent now!

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