Official Fokker D.III Painting Thread
Was gifted one of these for Christmas - as a one piece model it was very quick to paints & finish:
Firstly well soaked with Kleer polish
Using old GW & Airfix Acrylics laid down a base coat
finished details & a top coat with a final coat of Kleer
Finished with the last of my Dom's decals and Matt varnished
Just have to find a G deck and base.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Is the D.III that much worse than a D.II to justify a G deck instead of the P?
Nice one, Dave!
The D.III was better than the D.II - about 10mph faster (enough for a better speed band) but it's manoeuvrability is a mystery.Originally Posted by Teaticket
With the D.II about to be rated as a 'T' deck, same as the D.I, perhaps the D.III might deserve the 'P' deck?
By the way, very nice paint job, Dave, well done!
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Very nice! I am not a fan of the early Fokker D-types, but your model let me change my position.
A rather spiffing looking Fokker D.III Dave
Thanks mate !The D.III was better than the D.II - about 10mph faster (enough for a better speed band) but it's manoeuvrability is a mystery. With the D.II about to be rated as a 'T' deck, same as the D.I, perhaps the D.III might deserve the 'P' deck?
By the way, very nice paint job, Dave, well done!
A quick Wiki glance shows a 10kph difference between the D.II & D.III. The D.II at 150kph lands firmly in the middle of the Slow speed band; the D.III at 160kmh lands at the very top of the same band. With the extra drag of the biplane, wing warping & a heavy engine known for rapidly losing efficiency I think leaving it in the slow speed band may be the right way to go.
With that in mind the options for manoeuvre decks are limited. The model is a wing warper so that should discount the more manoeuvrable E & R decks, of the remaining I favour the G over the T& P deck due to the steep sideslips.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
'G' works for me!
Very few planes use it, so I must have some somewhere.....
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Hopefully answered above Peter ? They're just my thoughts - anything can be considered, if the stats committee have thoughts they'd be appreciated.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
A very inspirational paint job! There is a D.III at my local store, but i was not fond of the paint scheme. This is inspirational enough that i want to pick it up, and paint it the way I want to.
I have searched the store; are the decal sheets there suitable for this plane as well?
Are you sure your store has a Fokker D.III, and not an Albatros D.III or a Halberstadt D.III?
What company made the model in your store?
Is it a boxed "Wings" mini, made by either 'Nexus' or 'Ares'? If it is, then the plane is NOT a Fokker D.III like Flash's plane shown here.
Only Shapeways 3-D printed Fokker D.IIIs are available, as far as I am aware.
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Sam, if it's an Ares model it is probably a different plane type? Probably an Albatros D.III? If it's a Fokker E.III definitely snatch it up. Dave's looks like a model from shapeways.com
The decals in the store will work, or you can get them directly from miscmini.com
edit: ninja'd by Tim
There was inertia when the E.III switched from the P deck to the T deck. The D.II with it’s wing-warping, really didn’t fly much better than the E.III, and should have switched to the T deck at the same time. Basically, I blundered along considerably later, and in trying to find a 1-gun plane that I could put in between the E.III and Halberstadt D.III, started to question the logic of the D.II having the P deck, which eventually revealed the whole inertia thing and now it’s official unofficial stat is that it uses the T deck. As to the D.III, only late in it’s production did it switch from wing-warping, so G or T would seem appropriate - two-guns is a serious advantage in WoG, and if it reflected reality, the D.III would have been a killer plane (along with the E.IV). Since they weren’t, stiffing them with the worst deck possible seems appropriate (but I forget what it’s assigned deck actually is).
Edit in: is there an Official Fokker D.II thread? That’s what I was actually looking for when I blundered across this.
Almost forgot to say, nice DIII Dave.
Interesting discussion. What would be the difference between the DIII with wing warping and ailerons? If wing warping uses a G, ailerons gets an E or R or would it still be too clumsy for a more nimble deck?
Last edited by Teaticket; 06-29-2021 at 12:07.
Albatros Productions 'Fokker D.I-D.IV' by Grosz says the aileron model gained manoeuvrability but lost about 5 km/h in speed.
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I could only speculate if it gains manoeuvrability as Tim's source suggests.
If it lost the steep on it's sideslips that would make it a T deck, another wing warper, so maybe something a little more is needed.
P deck, trading the steep sideslips for non-steep broad sideslips..?
E deck, trading the steep sideslips for non-steep sideslips & add a pair of steep broad sideslips...?
R deck (Nexus), trading the steep sideslips for a brace of non-steep sideslips..?
I like the E deck - as it gives it parity with the N.11but is that too nimble ? R's are used for N.16, the over muscled N.11 so may be more suitable; the P deck puts it on a par with the Halb D.III, so also a good option. There are options at least.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
I think the 'T' - since although it has ailerons, that very heavy double-rotary lump would still hamper it; or possibly the Nexus 'R' - the improved roll rate allowing an extra sideslip each way, but no wide slips.
With the 'P' deck, an A-firing 'P' would be a bit of a monster in my opinion.
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You say that like it's a bad thing !
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
In the past I have sometimes encountered a reluctance among my possible opponents to fly a single-gun plane against my twin-gun models, however historically accurate that might be!You say that like it's a bad thing !
The more I handicap my plane, the more chance there is that these potential opponents might actually man up and take it on!
Continuing the comparisons, since the Unofficial Stats Committee have come down on the 'V' deck for the Fokker E.IV, the same-engine-&-same-twin-guns Fokker D.III looks like a terrible replacement for it, except perhaps with respect to climb rate...
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Easiest if you don't tell them until they find out..bit like the real thing !
I expect they're the 'can't play until it's absolutely balanced'; 'how many points do I have ?' types ... You know, Point's Unbalanced Still... Can't think of what you'd call them.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Bring it to the next Flight Club Tim, I'm sure we will lavish the care and attention on it that it really deserves.
Fokker D.III 352/16, Hauptmann Oswald Boelcke, Jasta 2, September 1916
Shapeways WSF by Daryl @ Reduced Aircraft Factory.
Painting notes to follow.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Fokker D.III 351/16, Leutnant Winand Grafe, Jasta 2, September 1916
Shapeways WSF by Daryl @ Reduced Aircraft Factory.
Painting notes to follow.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Good to see you back at the workbench (painting a dozen at time, of course).
Working 6 days a week is not healthy over a long haul.
Whats next for the Albatros-eness phase 2?
Wonderful planes! Awesome job!
Nice looking Fokkers Tim!
Nice!
Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!
Beauty of a plane, Tim!
Nice one Tim. One more of your beauties in the latest barrage. I have one of these that is just waiting for me to make the decals.
Albatrossyness Part 2 has appeared briefly in the February Workbench thread - 3 new Albatros D.I, 1 new D.II, and 6 painted D.Is getting refits (new research, plus new techniques and standards).
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Here are three Shapeways DIIIs. (OTT here we come!)
1st Boelcke. (I still have to make the serial # decalbut it has to fly tonight!)
Last edited by Teaticket; 06-28-2021 at 16:24.
Next is a DIII with ailerons, no particular pilot.
Third is an amusing plane flown by Udet. He fitted a sheet metal profile of "der stile Beobachter", the silent observer, to produce an illusion of a rear gunner.
Great looking planes! The Udet is awesome!
Great work, Peter, those will be a welcome addition to your hangar. Hopefully Udet's der stile Beobachter will keep the Englanders off your tail
I now have a true Blind Hans!Great work, Peter, those will be a welcome addition to your hangar. Hopefully Udet's der stile Beobachter will keep the Englanders off your tail
Super trio, Peter!
Rep!
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Lovely work Peter. Rep gun jammed for the moment, but I shall definitely return for these. looking forward to meeting the Fokkers in OTT
Nah, Blind Hans can shoot ! This must be deaf, dumb & blind Hans a distance cousin.
Great models chaps
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Lovely paintings, the udet is amazing
Hans Keller, distant cousin to Blind Hans, close cousin to Hellen Keller.Nah, Blind Hans can shoot ! This must be deaf, dumb & blind Hans a distance cousin.
Great models chaps
Thanks Fox. Wasn't sure I would be able to pull it off but the Udet addition came out better than expected.
I was gonna say something but you beat me to it.
Terrific (and unique) model, Peter.
Hope you can avoid the Booms with this one.
Nice work on the Fokker DIII, did they still use wing warping on the Fokker DIII?
Thanks Mike. Yes and no. There were versions that used wing warping, the above Boelcke and Udet. There were also versions with ailerons, above 'no particular pilot'.
The great majority were wing-warpers.
Very late on in production, a small number were built with ailerons.
A few, including the prototype. D.III 350/16, were eventually sent back to the factory, to have the upper warping wing replaced by a new wing with ailerons. At least 10 of these were sold to the Dutch in 1917.
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