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    Schöne Scheisse...
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Manfred come back!

    Round 9 moves sent.

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    Sorry, I've got to keep myself alive for the Kaiser...

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    Hmmm, that Sauerkraut looks to be beating on his Spandau....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Hmmm, that Sauerkraut looks to be beating on his Spandau....
    Is that a euphemism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Is that a euphemism?
    No offense meant. I thought you didn't shoot at camelbeagle so thought you had jammed your mgs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    No offense meant. I thought you didn't shoot at camelbeagle so thought you had jammed your mgs.
    I knew that. None taken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Hmmm, that Sauerkraut looks to be beating on his Spandau....
    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Is that a euphemism?
    Oo-er Matron !
    Last edited by flash; 01-16-2021 at 13:56.

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    Next turn looks like it could be interesting. Now if I can just figure out a way to make the three Camels fly into each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Next turn looks like it could be interesting. Now if I can just figure out a way to make the three Camels fly into each other.
    Three camels flew into a bar.,....

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    Hold my beer..

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    That‘s a problem if you equip Yankee pilots with good scouts and double machine guns...

    ...and not a word about this Bulldog ace from Dorset.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Turn 9-1: Fire!

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    Camelbeagel stalls and sense a shadow as Sauerkraut makes a side slip to the right above him and starts to shoot on Teaticket from above. Teatickets plane burst in flames, while he returns fire.

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    Flash is repositioning...

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    ...just as Marechallannes, who makes a dive.

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    Turn 9-2: Who hunts who?

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    Camelbeagel drifts left and is just out of Sauerkrauts firing range.

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    Flash and camelbeagel both look horrified behind, where their wingman’s plane turns into a glowing fireball, while Sauerkraut is looking out for his next prey.

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    Seems the Baron knows, when it’s time to fly home. A lively pilot earns many medals - a dead one no more than one.

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    Turn9-3: Tastes like chicken.

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    Camelbeagel has finally left Sauerkraut far behind. Flash immels, to take revenge for Teaticket.

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    A sudden tasty smell of roast chicken decides Marechallannes to look back. He immediately makes an Immelmann, as he realises Teaticket is rushing in his back. Both are just out of firing rang.

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    „Revenge for Graugans!“
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    „Revenge for Graugans!“
    Good of you to save Teaticket from burning to death Manfred.

    Round 10 moves sent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Good of you to save Teaticket from burning to death Manfred.

    Round 10 moves sent.
    Same thought. When your wooden plane is on flames and there’s no parachute, being shot seems like a grace.

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    Ah, that's what I get for thinking Sauerkraut has a gun jam! I wasn't expecting him shooting on 9-1.

    I figured I could take one shot if Sven turned back. I hope I crashed near a pub.

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    Err... point of order gents .. Sven didn't dive on 9-1, he climbed. (At least that was the card played). He should be a Alt 4C1 after that. If he immels in the same turn that would take him to Alt 5 which is one above Peter so cannot shoot him at long range. Another issue is you cannot play a climb or dive in the same turn you play the Immel card....
    Though the fire draw would likely kill Peter, it would be Andy's victory as he set him on fire.
    Last edited by flash; 01-17-2021 at 10:07.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Err... point of order gents .. Sven didn't dive on 9-1, he climbed. (At least that was the card played). He should be a Alt 4C1 after that. If he immels in the same turn that would take him to Alt 5 which is one above Peter so cannot shoot him at long range. Another issue is you cannot play a climb or dive in the same turn you play the Immel card....
    Though the fire drawer would likely kill Peter, it would be Andy's victory as he set him on fire.
    Sorry, Sven wanted to dive, but I played the climb card instead, so Sven couldn't have hit Teaticket after his Immelmann.

    I also thought, that it isn't allowed to play a climb/dive and a Immelmann in the same turn, but couldn't find the rule in a quick read of the rules. But the fire would have killed Teaticket on the begin of the next turn.

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    P15 of the rulebook.
    An Immelmann turn may not be played in the same turn as a climb.
    A Split-S cannot be played in the same turn as a dive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    P15 of the rulebook.
    An Immelmann turn may not be played in the same turn as a climb.
    A Split-S cannot be played in the same turn as a dive.
    In the German rules, there is only the limit to the Split-S mentioned. Interesting, I don't know that there is a difference between the two translations.

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    There are '0's in the A deck so the fire is no guarantee to down me.

    If Sven climbed and then did an Immelmann, it is an illegal move so the Immelmann should be replaced with a straight and an 'A' damage taken?

    If he did dive and then Immelmann he and I would not trade shots and I may live for turn 10?

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    I will reposition Sven, send an updated photo and skip the next damage card.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    In the German rules, there is only the limit to the Split-S mentioned. Interesting, I don't know that there is a difference between the two translations.
    Surprising as the no climb/dive in the same turn as an Immel card has been in the rules since the introduction of altitude in Burning Drachens (p.13,14).
    Anyway, we caught the error, lets see how it pans out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    There are '0's in the A deck so the fire is no guarantee to down me.
    If Sven climbed and then did an Immelmann, it is an illegal move so the Immelmann should be replaced with a straight and an 'A' damage taken?
    If he did dive and then Immelmann he and I would not trade shots and I may live for turn 10?
    If the last A card for an illegal move kills the Baron can I claim the kill as the last to shoot him up...?
    Last edited by flash; 01-17-2021 at 10:11.

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    Doesn't say you can't dive with an Immelmann turn only that you cannot climb in the same turn. Reverse for a Split-S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sauerkraut View Post
    Doesn't say you can't dive with an Immelmann turn only that you cannot climb in the same turn. Reverse for a Split-S.
    Ok, so no dive + Split S and no climb + Immelmann = Sven's maneuvers (dive, straight, Immelmann) are legal. I will only correct the distance difference of the climb card, to the dive card, which has the following result: Teaticket and Marechallannes are not in firing range. I place the two last damage cards in the right order back to the damage deck. Both are alive and no one has jammed guns.

    Here is the updated situation (I also updated the photos in 9-3):
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    It stays thrilling. Will the Entete win, or can the Central powers change the outcome to a draw game or even a win?

    Maneuvers for the last turn, please!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    By removing the first fire token at the start of turn 10, Teatickets plane gets burned.

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    Pete, I told you to take the fire extinguisher!

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post
    Pete, I told you to take the fire extinguisher!
    Yeah, pouring my beer on it was a waste of a good beer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    „Revenge for Graugans!“
    I second that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    Ok, so no dive + Split S and no climb + Immelmann = Sven's maneuvers (dive, straight, Immelmann) are legal. I will only correct the distance difference of the climb card, to the dive card, which has the following result: Teaticket and Marechallannes are not in firing range. I place the two last damage cards in the right order back to the damage deck. Both are alive and no one has jammed guns.
    Fair decision Florian, though Sven should now be at A3.C1. shouldn't he ? He dived from 4 which would put him at 3 and his Immel would leave him at 3.C1, not back at 4.

    Moves on the way soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graugans View Post
    I second that!!
    You have to wait a while longer Micha !

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Fair decision Florian, though Sven should now be at A3.C1. shouldn't he ? He dived from 4 which would put him at 3 and his Immel would leave him at 3.C1, not back at 4.

    Moves on the way soon.
    You're right Dave. I will correct that, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    Sorry, Sven wanted to dive, but I played the climb card instead, so Sven couldn't have hit Teaticket after his Immelmann.


    Maneuvers were correct planed.

    I decided not to stop the train...
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    So my guns are not jammed...?

    I need to post new moves for turn ten after spotting the new situation.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    „Revenge for Graugans!“
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    I second that!!
    Well, it wasn't Marshallannes, but at least your killer was killed too. Where is the fire emoji? I'd be sure by now Officer Kyte would have commissioned or earned the honor to have had one made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    So my guns are not jammed...?

    I need to post new moves for turn ten after spotting the new situation.
    Yes, your guns are working again. Awaiting the new moves.

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    My guns are still working too. Thanks for the game Flo. REP-REP-REP- REP-REP-REP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    My guns are still working too. Thanks for the game Flo. REP-REP-REP- REP-REP-REP!
    Thank you Peter! You were my inspiration for offering this game. I once read your game report and thought by myself, that this would be a good opportunity to play WoG with my friends. Most of us have families with little children and live in different towns, today. Meeting all together in real life is a hard task. Playing WoG via Messenger or PM is instead a good option to play a game without scheduling a fixed date or time.
    Last edited by Karo7; 01-18-2021 at 08:43.

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    Turn 10-1: Camel well done.

    Teaticket has become a victim to the flames.

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    Sauerkraut and flash make a fly-by and suspiciously examine each other.

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    Camelbeagel is heading for Marechallannes.

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    Turn 10-2: End of the roter Kampfflieger

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    Sauerkraut makes an Immelmann, but flash is already out of range.

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    Camelbeagel and Marechallannes are heading at each other with guns blazing!

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    The Baron is no more.

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    Turn 10-3: Dusk - time to head home.

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    The survivors:

    RFC (4 - 1 = 3 points)
    camelbeagel:
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    flash:
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    Luftstreitkräfte (2 - 2 = 0 points)
    Sauerkraut:
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    Final result: Entente wins with 3 points.

    Thank you all for your participation! It was a pleasure to watch the high level of flying and reviewing the decisions made. I will offer a second game, after flash’s game “Over Flanders”.
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    Baron down.

    Well done RFC!

    Thx for this interesting game, Florian.

    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Thanks Florian, great game & well managed. Not all your images have shown - they may have timed out before you posted.
    Have to say I was bloody lucky ! I thought they were firing blanks A lot of fun, thanks for organising this, and thanks to all the pilots, well done all.
    I might have got to Sven if Dan hadn't beaten me to it, I thought he was going to turn hard right into Andy. Now onto his game (not mine) Over Flanders.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Thanks for the game! Very well narrated. Keep me wanting fore more!

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    Great game. Thanks all and especially Florian for organising the whole thing. I hope that my game goes half as well.

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    Bravo. @Karo7 thank you. The commentary was especially appreciated.

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    Thank you all for your nice words! They keep me motivated to offer further games!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    Thank you all for your nice words! They keep me motivated to offer further games!
    I may not have flown but have been gripped by this thread! Thank you.

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    Default And We Learned Things !

    To settle things in my own mind I put the query about the climb/dive to Andrea & he checked out the thread.
    Here is his response; I highlighted the most relevant part:
    I did some archive research. Actually there has been a misprint in the very first edition of the Wings of Glory WWI Rules & Accessories pack. It's not a problem of the German version, but of the first print run. It was then fixed with later reprints from 2014 onward.
    Actually, there was a sentence missing at page 15. In the chapter Immelmann Turn, at the end of the chapter there should have been: “The Immelmann turn cannot be executed in the same turn as a climb.” This is why some players read it and others not - not because of a lacking in translation, but of an early or later edition.
    So you are correct. Climbing in the same turn of an Immelmann turn and diving in the same turn of a Split-S is forbidden. While diving in the same turn of an Immelmann turn and climbing in the same turn of a Split-S is allowed.
    The reason is that climb rates and dive capabilities are the maximum allowed. I wanted to avoid that somebody would climb or dive more than just allowed by climb, dive, steep dive cards, adding to them the Immelmann/Split-S. It would be awkward to see a plane zig-zagging in the sky to climb or dive more than with the steepest climbs or dive allowed. Of course, there is no issue from this point of view if a plane dives in the same turn of an Immelmann or climbs in the same turn of a Split-S.
    Thanks for everything and all the best, Andrea
    That will be in the FAQ Rules sticky in due course.

    "He is wise who watches"

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