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    Default Stats needed for Mitsubishi Ki-67 Hiryu Peggy

    Two new planes added to my collection:

    Mitsubishi Ki-67-Ia with a single 12.7mm Type 1 in nose, tail, and side blisters, plus a 20mm Ho-5 cannon in dorsal turret. Powered by two 1,900hp Mitsubishi Ha-104 engines.

    Mitsubishi Ki-109 army heavy fighter interceptor variant of the Ki-67 with side blisters and dorsal turret removed. Armament: 75mm army type 88 anti-aircraft cannon in the nose and a single 12.7mm gun in tail.

    I couldn't find any variants listed in the Unofficial Aircraft List. Would anyone care to have a go at gaming stats for these 2 Ki-67 variants? And then hopefully I can find someone interested in producing a card for these planes with the new stats.
    Last edited by abovetheclouds; 10-03-2020 at 21:12.

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    Here you go:
    An interesting plane.
    Deck: Y. Hits: 30; ceiling: 10; Climb: 7 Base: bomber.
    Guns: Ki-67-Ia: Nose gun: A/A, front arc. Left blister: A/A, 7-10 O'clock.
    Right blister: A/A, 2-5 O'clock. Tail: A/A rear arc.
    Dorsal gun: C/A, 3-9 O'clock, level to high w/ tail BS. Note: dorsal gun can elevate so that it can use
    rear facing Schrage Musik rules.
    Guns: Ki-109 (w/ 75mm): Delete dorsal and blister guns. 75mm arc is a straight line 12 O'clock.
    Note: Only 22 made, and was not successful. IMO: the chances of a single-shot cannon hitting a flying target is very close to zero. Even a B-29 in formation.
    From the History of War site article on the Ki-109:
    {QUOTE]The 107th Heavy Fighter Regiment was formed in November 1944, and received its aircraft in 1945. The Ki-109 failed to live up to expectations. The production Ki-109-I lacked the speed and rate of climb to catch the high flying B-29s on their early daylight raids, and despite a number of attempted interceptions never actually made contact with a B-29 formation. Once the Americans switched to low level night-time raids the Ki-109, which lacked radar, became completely useless, and the 107th Heavy Fighter Regiment was disbanded on 30 July 1945.[/QUOTE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    75mm arc is a straight line 12 O'clock.
    Interesting. Would this also be the way to go for the B25 and Piaggio P108A?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Here you go:
    An interesting plane.
    Deck: Y. Hits: 30; ceiling: 10; Climb: 7 Base: bomber.
    Guns: Ki-67-Ia: Nose gun: A/A, front arc. Left blister: A/A, 7-10 O'clock.
    Right blister: A/A, 2-5 O'clock. Tail: A/A rear arc.
    Dorsal gun: C/A, 3-9 O'clock w/ tail BS. Note: dorsal gun can elevate so that it can use
    rear facing Schrage Musik rules.
    Guns: Ki-109 (w/ 75mm): Delete dorsal and blister guns. 75mm arc is a straight line 12 O'clock.
    Note: Only 22 made, and was not successful. IMO: the chances of a single-shot cannon hitting a flying target is very close to zero. Even a B-29 in formation.
    From the History of War site article on the Ki-109:
    The 107th Heavy Fighter Regiment was formed in November 1944, and received its aircraft in 1945. The Ki-109 failed to live up to expectations. The production Ki-109-I lacked the speed and rate of climb to catch the high flying B-29s on their early daylight raids, and despite a number of attempted interceptions never actually made contact with a B-29 formation. Once the Americans switched to low level night-time raids the Ki-109, which lacked radar, became completely useless, and the 107th Heavy Fighter Regiment was disbanded on 30 July 1945.
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    Karl,
    Thanks for the effort of posting a drawing. I'd hug you, but... COVID.

    I already have that drawing, in slightly higher resolution, but it isn't good enough. Darn!

    PS: I did find this drawing, which will be helpful with the Crew Managment card:
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    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-08-2020 at 07:40.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    This is cool. Too bad I can't read Japanese, but this is firing arcs, I'm sure:

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    PS: Or this alternate drawing:

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    Source: Aces High Bulletin Board - Re: KI-67 Update?
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 10-07-2020 at 16:01.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    I did see that on line, but also a lot of commentary with pictures on drawing of the interior. Basically, to get to the extreme angles, the gunners can't really aim. Given that any shot forward of the 3-9 o'clock line is high only, and it's only 20 degrees either way, so not going to a full 2 or 10 o'clock position, not really worth the fussiness and confusion.
    Interesting. Would this also be the way to go for the B25 and Piaggio P108A?
    Yes, with the note that these weapons were not used against aircraft; strictly against ground targets.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Thanks Karl for the stats. I still find it a little strange that I could not find any cards on the Aerodrome site for the Ki-67-Ia. Even though it was a late war development, it seemed to be the best bomber that Japan developed and produced. Looking forward to what Mike can come up with for both versions of this plane. Since the Ki-109 was ineffective, I will probably only use it in late war suicide scenarios.

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    Sad, but this composite of several drawings is the best I can do for this plane. The nose glazing is particularly intricate.

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    This is not the best, but draft color scheme done:

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    It's taking shape nicely. As I add different Japanese planes to my WGS arsenal, I am amazed at their industrious "Flavor of the Month" aircraft development and production during the war. It is still fascinating to read about the development of any specific aircraft, such as what were it's strong points, and what were it's shortcomings, as well as, it's various production problems. And as I do my research, it makes me appreciate the research that you put into creating these cards for us. Thank you Mike for putting in the time and effort to help us enjoy this game more and more.



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