I was just wondering why there have been no Corsairs or Zeros Made for this game?
Back in the day, I loved watching The Black Sheep Tv show.
I would think those would be some of the most requested planes.
Why no Corsairs Or Zeros?
I was just wondering why there have been no Corsairs or Zeros Made for this game?
Back in the day, I loved watching The Black Sheep Tv show.
I would think those would be some of the most requested planes.
Hi Mike, Welcome to the 'Drome!
"Nexus" released Zeroes and Wldcats back when they owned 'Wings of War', along with Val dive bombers.
"Ares" added Dauntless dive bombers to the mix.
"Nexus", and "Ares", didn't plan aircraft releases to match TV shows.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
"Ares" don't respond much to requests either Mike, or, we'd be up to our ears in them !
Welcome to the 'drome.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
For what its worth, the latest threads on upcoming planes...
Corsairs Inbound
In the Pipeline
Please note the dates on these threads, and understand that Ares does not, in any meaningful way, put tentative release dates in any official publication. As the past has demonstrated to the Forum, there are far too many things that interfere with estimating when a particular model will be seen in a retail setting.
Players on this Forum have been hearing rumors from Ares that F4U Corsairs were in the pipeline as early as 2013? Certainly before the Battle of Britain Starter Set was planned. All of Ares effort since then has been to concentrate on fighters and bombers for that period. This was awesome for me, as I am desperately attempting to minimize the damage to my pocket book and storage by only doing WGS European Theatre 1940-ish. However, for those Forum members looking to recreate battles in the Pacific Theatre, they are restricted, pretty much, to Nexus Wildcats and Zeros, released well before Ares began Wings of Glory production.
Note this thread, especially the date: Special Pack 3 (Medium Bombers) on the Way
COVID-19 has put a huge wrench into the gears of anything being done in Italy this year. So, any release plans for finishing the Battle of Britain bombers was delayed, and we are still waiting for the last two planes of Special Pack #3 to come out of China (Bristol Blenheims and Savoia-Marchetti SM.79 Sparvieros).
What this means for the fighters in the first two linked threads above is anyone's guess. Ares is working on new fighters, but they are not coming in the short term (my estimate, only, not official).
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Hang in there--can't say much about details, but as one of the Research Team I CAN say that unless things go really sideways we're working on both Corsairs and more Zeroes as part of the next "theme release" for WGS.
Last official information from Ares about the Corsair was in November 2019 :
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...composer=false
Thank you monse for the reminder of this latest news Ares on the Corsair, some like chee911Sc uses those from the game Blood Red Skies (also at a scale of 1/200 ) and also repainting them to play " Wings of Glory WW2 Pacific "
https://wingsofwar.1fr1.net/t2595-fr...hlight=CORSAIR
Armaments in Miniature (AIM) make both in resin 1/200 scale & are cheap to buy if you feel like painting some up.
They do a large selection of Pacific War birds both USA & Japanese.
One thing to remember, "Boyington's Lulubelle" only existed on TV. The real aircraft was "Lucybelle" after his then-wife, and ONLY so painted long enough for one propaganda photoshoot. In practice VMF-214, as with almost all Solomons/SoPac and carrier units, took whatever available planes and pilots and put the first available butt in the first available seat regardless of personal favorite mounts.
Yes Yes Yes! Pacific theater
Yes! I might be unusual in that my interest lies almost exclusively in the Pacific theater. Both of my grandfathers fought in the Pacific.Originally Posted by Diamondback
I have plenty of WGS planes, but mostly to look over the maneuver decks and game mechanics.
Ive been scrolling through the facebook information trying to get a sense of the planes that were likely to see.
I already happen to own:
Douglas SBD-5 Dauntless
Kawasaki Ki-61 (Tony)
Nakajima Ki-84 Hayate (Frank)
North American B-25 bombers [Doolittle, Bauer]
Republic P-47D Thunderbolt
Yokosuka D4Y Suisei (Judy)
(even grabbed the Boeing B-17s)
Is this the confirmed list of other reprints and new planes so far?
Aichi D3A1 (Val)
Bell P-39 Airacobra (NEW)
Grumman F4F Wildcat
Lockheed P-38F/L Lightning (NEW)
Mitsubishi A6M2 Reisen (edit deck please?)
Nakajima Ki-43 Hayabusa (Oscar) (NEW)
Vought F4U Corsair (NEW)
Some hints but for later?
B-24 Liberator
Not sure if reissuing:
Curtiss P-40E Warhawk? (is this re-releasing?)
North American P-51D Mustang (is this re-releasing?)
No info?
Grumman F6F Hellcat
Grumman TBF Avenger
Nakajima B5N (Kate)
Comments in bold. Ares appears to have decided Squadron Packs are the road forward, so only expect one deco per sculpt each release.
Hmmm...
Nothing even on the Ares Facebook page? No updates on new products for over six months?
Not encouraging.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
The best way to get Corsairs (I went that way) is to get the set of 6 metal planes from Warlord Games (Blood Red Skies game).
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
This is super helpful, Diamondback! Really appreciated.
Ok, I’m new and learning, so I’m trying to interpret your comments, based on my understanding of the different kinds of releases Ares does for WGS.
The Airplane Packs and the Special Packs are unique paint schemes.
The squadron packs are like my Hurricane and Stuka, with the same paint and customizing through decals.
So we’ll get some (most?) planes in squadron packs.
Will there be a Pacific Starter Set like the Battle of Britain? Is this what you mean by Solomon Islands—getting us a Battle of Midway?
Any sense of the likely plans for releasing planes (first the starter set, then 4-plane waves released twice per year, etc.) would be brilliant.
I've been looking at the facebook page for Wings of Glory Miniatures, OldGuy.
It sounds like ALL WW2 from now on will be Squadrons, including the various Special Pack bombers. Unique pilot-specific decoes look to be WGF Only.
There will be a Cactus Air Force starter--this entire release series will be structured similarly to the Battle of Britain, but concentrated on Guadalcanal and the Solomon Islands. I TRIED to get them to roll out the Pacific with Pearl Harbor or Midway, but "MUHBLACKSHEEP! WANTMUHBOYINGTONRITENAO OR I STAMPYFEET!" won the day. The Corsair we SHOULD have gotten was a blue-gray VMF-124 since they were first to fight, but too many TV-tards only remember a BS TV show whose ONLY things it got right was that there was a squadron called the Black Sheep, they flew Corsairs against Japan in the South Pacific and Boyingtom led them.Will there be a Pacific Starter Set like the Battle of Britain? Is this what you mean by Solomon Islands—getting us a Battle of Midway?
Well, there it is. Gave you the straight dope as best I could, come-what-may.Any sense of the likely plans for releasing planes (first the starter set, then 4-plane waves released twice per year, etc.) would be briliant.
Thanks again.
I started after 2017, so I looked back on BGG and got the history of past releases straight in my head. So it looks like in 2017, they did the BOB starter set, plus three squadron releases: Spitfire, Bf 109, and Hurricane.
If the PTO followed the same cycle (4 planes in box, then 3 squadron packs), we could be looking at three total new types of planes (like the Spitfire, Bf 109, Hurricane).
It seems like you're expecting more variety (hope so!)
I've been trying to get into some of the Pacific scenarios, but I just don't have the planes. Was looking forward to a Midway scenario in Lancaster PA this past spring at Cold Wars, but coronavirus meant that the scenario got cancelled.
Chill with the insults.
I deal in hard realities, Conrad's TV series shoulda been called "Bull Stuff Squadron"--and Boyington even admitted at the end of his life that his ego and his falling into a bottle had gotten out of control and his 'technical consulting' was focused on making himself look good. Unfortunately its pernicious effects take a backseat only to that gawdawful Ben Afflake Pearl Harbor in contaminating the landscape of historical education and fidelity.
I'm not trying to tear Boyington or the Balck Sheep down--they were heroes, but a few went astray as heroes sometimes do after their 'Great Deeds' days are done--but the fanboyism gets a bit out of control at times--if anybody here did Axis & Allies War at Sea, you remember the same thing from the Kult of Kriegsmarine and the rabid IJN Inquisition.
To my view from the production side, we're in the business of telling stories--on all sides men fought and died for what they held dear, and to NOT tell their stories as 'right' as we can with the resources available to us is a slap in the face to their memory. What happens once things hit the gaming table is open season, but personally as a historian I owe those who came before no less than to tell the whole story, the good and the bad alike, and let the chips fall where they will in the Verdict of History.
Such strong feeling abour 44 years old series? Everyone knows it is not a documentary series- Keep calm an carry on, DB, it won't change anything.
I personally appreciate the sentiment, Diamondback. I value historical fidelity.
My question basically boils down to if and when I will be able to get the planes I need to stage a well-rounded (smaller scale!) Pearl Harbor and Battle of Midway, and it'd be a bummer if I still can't do that after several waves of Pacific Theater planes.
The prices for previously released Pacific theater planes--Zeros, Vals and Warhawks (and Mustangs)--are out of control, and I want to spend money on re-releases and new versions right now, get another game mat to add to my coast and my Sails ocean, figure out how to use those image files of carriers, etc. and run through some awesome missions!
It's less the series itself--it was okay entertainment and better than anything on the brain-addling idiot-box today--than the folks who think "this must be so because the tube told me so."
You should hear Titanic historians about James Cameron's movie sometime... LOL
As for timetables, I'll see if I can get something concrete but right now we're looking at a BEST case scenario of late 2021 or early 2022 if my gut is right. We have Sparviero and Blenheim up first to close out BoB, and typically a given line is lucky to get two drops a year at most.
Ask the crew over at the Anchorage how long they've been waiting for new ships sometime... it also doesn't help that Ares is a tiny little company that is hamstrung by available working capital. At least they're committed to Wings even if they do take it slow, which is more than you can say for WOTC with AAM/WAS/A20...
There may be a way to find the answer...
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
There is a zero and two Vals for sale on eBay right now. The catch is they are $45 each including postage.
Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.
The Oracle of the 8-Ball says "Answer hazy, try again later."There may be a way to find the answer...
Wow!
I sell mine for around half that...
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
There are other manufacturers of 1:200 scale WW2 aircraft like Armaments in Miniature, Blood Red Skies, Shapeways, Trumpeter and some lesser companies.
Trumpeter planes are *very* good in detail but weak in structural strength.
My bigger interest in the Corsair is what the maneuver deck would look like. More data for me to crunch with......well as I get to it
Not that I wouldn't buy a half dozen or so
Each
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
My desire to fly PTO scenarios, and my lack of scale modeling abilities is what has led me to spend much of my gaming money on 144th scale pre-painted F-toys planes. Mixing the scales took some time to reconcile in my mind, but having the wider variety of aircraft available for various scenarios is worth it to me. I will be more than happy to pick up any and all new 1/200 scale releases from Ares. I'm looking forward to new or modified official maneuver decks too, but until then, I use and sincerely appreciate the modified decks recommended in the unofficial stats lists.
Furuta Choco Egg P-38 Lightnings are approximately 1:200 scale.
The Sky Pilot Corsair & Hellcat models are something like 1:190 scale, which are not too bad a fit for Wings of Glory. I think the Sky Pilot P-38 Lightning is 1:200 scale. The Sky Pilot Zero and P-40 are something like 1:160 scale, which makes the a little bit too big. All these models are painted.
The Red Bull Motor Racing Team online shop sometimes sells twin packs containing Sky Pilot P-38 Lightning and Corsair models painted in the Red Bull Air Race colours.
AIM, Shapeways.
Ha! At one point or another, I've had all of the planes you mentioned saved to my eBay watch list, except for the Furuta Lightning. I just found one of those on eBay, and it's at an affordable price. I've been using some Micro Machines Lightnings and Corsairs too while waiting for official ones from Ares to be released.
AiM has Corsairs and Lightnings; good quality and not badly priced.
UK/EU fliers might find the BRS planes to be a cheaper option.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Taking the deep dive into non-Ares planes
All right. Ive been diving deep into alternatives for PTO planes to tide me over until the official releases finally come out in a year or so. I also lost eBay auctions for some Zeros (maybe to one of you) but did win a F4F-3 and an F4F-4.
Im going to buy paints, AIM miniatures and the decals, flight bases from Litko, and gimbal connections. Im spurred in part by wanting to paint my Flamme Rouge and War of the Ring minis as well.
Did someone say painted Flamme Rouge?Fun game.
Yes! That looks really good, Malachi.Did someone say painted Flamme Rouge?
I got copies of Wings of War boxes for the cards (Dawn of War, Fire From the Skies).
So I'm looking at getting several AIM models to match, and enough planes to play the scenarios (Midway Rising etc.)
4 x Mitsubishi A6M2
4 x Aichi Val
1 x Curtiss P40 Warhawk (to match with the H-deck)
1 x Bell Airacobra (P-400?) for G-deck
2 x Grumman Wildcats (would F4F-3 or F4F-4 be better for early PTO especially Midway and Pearl Harbor?) (already have two)
1-2 x Dauntless? (already have two)
I'm also looking at the special decals on the AIM site.
Can I modify the Litko flight bases to make them work with Ares pegs? 10ct for $15. Aerodrome's bases seem to be sold out. I'll be getting some gimbals.
Any advice about favorite miniature colors, especially for early war Japanese Navy and Navy/Marine US planes? I saw that Vallejo has model air paint sets for IJN and USN/M, which is tempting me, at least to pick some colors from.
One problem is that I don't know how to actually order from AIM. Am I using the wrong browser or something?
Will, you'll wanna make the Japanese planes groups of either 3 or 6--they flew as vics all the time. F4F-3 or -3A would be more Early War, many pilots preferred their lighter weight and better handling over the -4's added firepower. Wildcats always come in flights of either 2 or 4. Dauntlesses should always be in flights of 3.
Check out Paint4Models.com, look for the ANA colors (Army-Navy Aviation) and M485 Blue Gray--that site will die later this month when Adobe kills Flash, as will this site's File Attachment system, so get over there and write down anything you think you might want QUICK.
https://www.paint4models.com/paintch...sionchart.html
To bad they are giving us the all navy blue corsair instead of the tri-color. Always thought the tri-color had more personality (more interesting scheme), but at least they are on the way...some day. I have to admit my heart rate went up a bit reading the future release comments. Thanks for that Diamondback.
Will, to order AIM items you have to email Dave: aim_schmid@yahoo.com with the item #, item name, and quantity to see if they're available. Good luck!
If they're doing Black Sheep they HAVE to be tricolor, solid blue didn't come until late 1944 after Leyte Gulf.
They didn't like the reduced ammo either.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Source, please? I just got an email from Rob at Ares when I raised the question and he says they haven't even DISCUSSED paint schemes internally. I gave him my notes about Corsair paint and timeframes, so would be real surprised if it *doesn't* end up 3-tone because a few of us here on the Aerodrome are bulldozing the path on historical research for them.
Actually, you. "The Corsair we SHOULD have gotten was a blue-gray VMF-124 since they were first to fight, but too many TV-tards only remember a BS TV show..." To me, this sounds like they will be navy blue.
As one of their Historical Consultants, I'm pretty sure they won't pick a fight with the community by trying to sell a solid-DSB as a 1943 Black Sheep. Boyington was a prisoner of war long before that transition, and I'm leaning on them pretty hard to do his bird right. (#86 was a favorite but not "his personal bird," in 214 they took whatever pilot was cleared and whatever plane was available--the name Lucybelle for his then-wife was only applied long enough for a propaganda photo and removed soon after.)
I wasn't saying Ares was TV-addled, I'm saying there's a perception that a portion of the market with SIGNIFICANT bucks to throw at it is.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Welcome. I'm not stupid enough to deliberately insult people who I depend on for word-of-mouth in a field where your career lives or dies by your personal reputation... done some pretty dumb crap over the years (shot myself in the arse, whacked in the head with a submarine, got between a young lady and her violent stalker ex who outweighed us both combined) but that's a Whole 'Nother Level.
This is a VMF-124 F4U-1, Dave:
'First to fight' and 'blue-gray' don't actually have anything to do with overall Gloss Sea Blue Corsairs, but instead refer to 'birdcage' F4Us operating from Henderson Field in 1943.
Better depiction of the first Corsairs into action:
M485 Blue-Grey top is a prewar color from before the ANA standardized paint system. Light Gray is comparable to the Neutral Gray of USAAF bellies, now FS 36270.
This is what a Black Sheep Corsair should look like during Boyington's tenure:
I'd expect that since canopies are separate components, Ares will probably tool both Birdcage and Bubble parts but only use the bubble.
Same plane, a few months earlier:
The red surround on the national insignia didn't last long, it was high visibility and in the PTO pilots reacted to any red markings like a bull to a red flag. (This is why British Commonwealth units in the Pacific had two-tone blue roundels instead of the usual red and blue.)
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