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    I was wondering does anyone know if Wolfram Karl Ludwig Moritz Hermann Freiherr von Richthofen (Eight Kills), Manfred's cousin flew anything other than a Fokker Triplane in the war?

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    I believe he also flew a Fokker DVII as well.

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    Wolfram stayed with Jasta 11.
    "By the end of the war he had eight kills, most if not all on the [Fokker] D.VII".
    p19 Fokker D.VII Aces of WW1 - Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 53. Franks/van Wyndgarden

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Wolfram stayed with Jasta 11.
    p19 Fokker D.VII Aces of WW1 - Osprey Aircraft of the Aces 53. Franks/van Wyndgarden
    Dave do you have a colour picture of his D.VII "Paint job"?

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    "Freiherr" ? Didn't know he was also a baron. Did he end up inheriting the title from the other two more famous brothers, or does the title come from a different part of the family line?

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    He inherited the title from his father. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfra...von_Richthofen

    Here is a picture of his Fokker D.VII by Ronnie Bar. It looks like he followed his cousin in flying a red plane.

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    I have a couple of Shapeways DVIIs lurking somewhere in my stash and this colour scheme has piqued my interest. Can we assume red on the lower surfaces or blue or maybe anyone’s guess is as good as anyone elses?

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    I contacted Ronny via Facebook with the question of underside colours and this was his response:

    'Hi Wayne... Thanks for your fine words..! In fact, after some info I receved fro Greg VanWynngarden and Eugene Ushakov, it seems that this D-VII was flown by Lothar instead of Wolfram... Anyway, the photos I've seen shows the whole of the airframe overpainted Red... So, you can go with an overall Red finish with no hesitation..!'


    After thinking about Ronny's comments above, and remembering his predominantly yellow Triplane, I went on the usual Interweb trawl and turned up this scheme for a Lothar DVII:

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    At this rate, I'll need to get more DVIIs!
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    Are you kidding? Am I now going to have to paint TWO more D-VIIs? Of course I am, Coolio! Thanks - looks like lozenges on the underside on Lothar's. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    Are you kidding? Am I now going to have to paint TWO more D-VIIs? Of course I am, Coolio! Thanks - looks like lozenges on the underside on Lothar's. . .
    Ha, admit it Dave - you love it

    BTW, I was cleaning up after last Tuesday night's stoush at our place and realized that you may recognize this coaster:

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    We bought them from the gift shop on the western rim of the Grand Canyon when we were there a few years ago - I didn't realize that we were so close to you!!

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    And here is another view of the yellow/red DVII (looks like lozenge on the top of the bottom wing as well):

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    Wow! So close indeed! Figures it would be a big crack in the planet to keep us apart! Better next time, but the coaster is cool. Meanwhile I and the elves have not attempted the pile of Valom kits on the shelf . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    (looks like lozenge on the top of the bottom wing as well):
    Yes - you can just make it out on the first profile, Post#8
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    I have a couple of Shapeways DVIIs lurking somewhere in my stash and this colour scheme has piqued my interest. Can we assume red on the lower surfaces or blue or maybe anyone’s guess is as good as anyone elses?
    Only the first three D.VIIs had blue on the underside of their wings, all others had lozenge. Only the "first batch" had blue on the underside of the fuselage; the vast majority had streaky olive green (in several different shades) then lozenge (majority overall).
    <<Windsock Fokker D.VII Anthology>>
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Yet another reason we need a Schaffer repaint
    (Hmm....I'm starting to sound like a certain Sopwith Triplane hater )
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Hmm . . . must be the elves . . .

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    Handy both planes have red struts . . .

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    . . . Like the old Jello advert, there's always room for more . . .

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    Oh Dave, can you convince some of those elves to emigrate? I can put in a good word to our authorities - on the grounds that my mental health is at stake!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    Oh Dave, can you convince some of those elves to emigrate? I can put in a good word to our authorities - on the grounds that my mental health is at stake!
    Do you have licenced Emotional support animals down under? Maybe you could use that clause; if people have support snakes, peacocks, and what-have-you, why not elves?
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Hard to document shots and health details, best if they come unannounced. My passport expires this year as well . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    Oh Dave, can you convince some of those elves to emigrate? I can put in a good word to our authorities - on the grounds that my mental health is at stake!


    as elves are legion, im reasonably sure you have indigenous elves in your area. you simply have to attract them and convince them to join your endeavors. i find engendering pity from them generally effective. however it will elicit copious amounts of ridicule from said elves lol. generally, its good natured though. at least as long as you keep them well provisioned with fruits and nuts lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Do you have licenced Emotional support animals down under? Maybe you could use that clause; if people have support snakes, peacocks, and what-have-you, why not elves?
    Karl
    Well I suppose, under normal circumstances, I could borrow my grandson’s assistance dog, but as I am in Adelaide and he is in Melbourne and locked down...

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    I need some elves...............

    I've got the D.VIIs put aside.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Okay, stop the research people, I do not need any more D-VII's!

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    "Need" has nothing to do with it..................
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Well, I do have a set of decals for this one in my stash - Valom DV.II now ordered!

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    Dave, what pilots did you use, Peter Pig?

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    Where did you get the decals for that one? - it's my favourite, and all my attempts to produce homebrews have failed.........
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Where did you get the decals for that one? - it's my favourite, and all my attempts to produce homebrews have failed.........
    Hi Tim

    I bought them many years ago on a sheet called DVII Aces - I think from SRAM. I 'think' that they now produce resin !/144 kits only. See here:

    https://www.hobbyshop.cz/

    A search on their website for SRAM 1/144 will blow your mind would destroy your credit card balance if they were in stock - Clipper DO NOT LOOK!!

    Addendum: Hannants appear to have limited stock of the SRAM kits - SIA 7-B, Nieuport N.10 and Halberstadt C.I.

    https://www.hannants.co.uk/

    Here is the sheet I purchased all those years ago:

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    The ones I have identified so far are:

    Wilhelm Scheutzel (the reason I bought the sheet in the first place)
    Carl Degelow
    Oskar Heinrich
    Hassow von Wedel
    Gunther Schuster
    Harald Auffarth
    Karl Ritscherie
    Paul Aue
    Arthur Laumann
    ernst Udet (red background)
    Rudolf Berthold (Blue Background)
    George von Hantelmann
    Erich Mix
    August Raben
    Wilhelm Kuhn

    The sheet is so small that its a bit difficult to identify some. for example, there is a black skull and cross bones that I can't link to anyone in my resources (the 2 Osprey volumes on D.VII aces).

    Anyway, there are enough options to keep me poor buying Valom kits - 8 dual combo kits!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post

    there is a black skull and cross bones that I can't link to anyone in my resources (the 2 Osprey volumes on D.VII aces).

    That's Jasta 18 - Kurt Monnington


    Thanks for the info! I've more than a few 'Valom' D.VII kits myself
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    That's Jasta 18 - Kurt Monnington
    Thanks for that info Tim - got him:

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    My goodness, you are amazing, Clipper. People post a little research and a few days later, you produce it. It is like some sort of Elf driven Star Trek food replicator thingy.

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    no such thing as too many d7s dave!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    Well, I do have a set of decals for this one in my stash - Valom DV.II now ordered!

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    Dave, what pilots did you use, Peter Pig?
    I use Shapeways pilots since they are plentiful and inexpensive . . . the Peter Pig ones are quite nice, but my minis collection is enormous . . . several of us did the DVII in your picture many years ago, somewhere I have the decals and masters for our scale, they were originally published in 1/48" scale as I recall, Zoe will know . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    no such thing as too many d7s dave!!!
    What he said!

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    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    no such thing as too many d7s dave!!!
    Indeed. Doing my best to keep the DVII faith!

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    Tim, that is an amazing DVII collection! Whoa!

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    Tim, that is a wonderful collection of D.VIIs!

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    They don't just look great. Tim flies them expertly as well.

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    That's enough D-VIIs to take on Barker!

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    Think I have been shot down by most of them

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    Speaking of D.VIIs, I was given this as an early Father's Day present:

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    It contains a wealth of CAD images of just about every nook and cranny of the D.VII:

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    Plus some wonderful colour schemes - Stark (whom we have as an official mini) plus these two:

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    Looking at the inside back cover, Kagero also have volumes on the S.E.5a, Albatross D.1 - D.Va, Sopwith Camel and Fokker Dr.I - that should see me fixed for Christmases and birthdays!
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    Very nice Wayne

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Super book - very expensive, but worth it!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Awesome Clipper!

    Thank the elves for me!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    I think Zoe has made the Seven Swabians decals in 1/144 scale, think they are on the site somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boney10 View Post
    I think Zoe has made the Seven Swabians decals in 1/144 scale, think they are on the site somewhere
    Really, will need to look around and see if they can be found. Are they in a post or in the files section?

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    Quote Originally Posted by camelbeagle View Post
    Really, will need to look around and see if they can be found. Are they in a post or in the files section?
    I found them, in Zoe's "Decals" Album on her Profile page.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!



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