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    I have been a bit behind with updating the unofficial aircraft lists, with 8 new decks since it was first posted. One of the first things this week was starting to redo the Ju.88s, since I had them using the heavy fighter base, and they are officially bomber bases. Plus typos and moments of idiocy
    So I will be posting the corrections here, as I come up with them. I ask for a minimum amount of comments here; please start another thread, if we need discussions.
    Karl
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    Unofficial aircraft V.1 errata

    1) Vickers Wellington: base should be a bomber base.

    2) Corsair: Deck is now the T deck

    3) Hawker Typhoon to T deck

    4) Nakajima "Kate" : ZJ(B) deck: no reversal, 90 degree turns, extreme SS or regular SS; only fast SS.

    5) Ju.88P: front guns are fixed. P-1 is a 75mm ground attack only. P-3 is 3 37mm, so D-D/D. P-5 has a single 50mm, D/A. Rear gun is a A/A standard rear gun.

    6) K** deck: Should be no 45 dregree turn or fast SSs

    7) Hawker Hurricane Mk.IID is a K deck (and marked as (trop)).

    8) Spitfire Mk.VI is an A deck.

    9) Ju.88S-1: Deck is now the Y/(M w/boost) deck, hits 25, ceiling 12, climb 5
    Given the boost endurance, you might want to assume it is in effect the whole game.

    10) Ju.88D: Deck is now the Y deck; hits: 28; ceiling: 10; climb: 7

    11) Martin B-10B, and also the 139WC, and 139WH-2
    Deck: T(Zb); hits: 21, ceiling 5, climb 7

    12) Martin 139H-3: (Aka Martin 166) Deck: ZM(b) hits: 21, ceiling: 8, climb: 7.
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    13) Tupolev SB-2 (and bis) now use a bomber base. The deck is now the XE deck (Ju.88 A-1).
    Last edited by Jager; 08-30-2020 at 07:28.
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    14) DH-98 Mosquito FB Mk.VI and Mk.XVIII are now the N deck.
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    15) Nakajima Ki-44-IIc Tojo: Guns are C-C-C-C/C-C
    or D-D-B/A (Optional provision for two 40 mm (1.57 in) Ho-301 cannons; this was rare, as the cannons didn't work very well (very short ranged, and should only be allowed 2 shots (10 rounds each) and were often pulled and replaced by the 37.5 mm Ho-203 MGs), so D-D-B/D-A
    or B/A (if cannon not replaced).
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    I've been redoing the Ju.88s due to the release of the official ones. Also fixing errors I made:

    16) Junkers C-2: Use Ju.88A-1 stats; front guns are B-C/B; rear guns are:
    Dorsal gun: rear arc A/A; Ventral gun: rear arc low only: A/A

    17) Junkers Ju.88C-4 and C-6: Use Ju,88A-4 stats; front guns are B-C-C-C/B-C;
    rear guns are: Dorsal gun: rear arc A/A; Ventral gun: rear arc low only: A/A

    18) Junkers Ju.88 A, C, G-6c, and P models: remove house rule 3.

    19) Junkers Ju.88C-6c: “Schrage Musik” (forward) C-C/C, is optional; not all had it.

    20) Junkers G-1 and G-6a is now the Y deck.

    21) Junkers Ju,88G-6c: Ceiling is 11; climb is 5.

    22) Junkers Ju.88P1-4: Deck is now ZT(b)* (also take out the fast side slip cards).
    Ceiling is 7. delete house rule 3. Front guns are ground attack only; delete the A/A mg (for aiming only).

    23) Junkers Ju.88D: Recon version of the A-4. Use those stats for it.
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    24) Me.410: all models now use the Q**deck (no 45 degree turns or extreme side slips).

    25) Me-410B models: Here are the guns for the B models, as near as I can make out. Bear in mind that after May-44, all A models left should have their front gun A/- upgraded to B/A:
    Messer. Me 410B-1: B-C-C/A-C
    Messer. Me 410B-2/R2/R3: B-C-C-D-D/A-C-D
    Messer. Me 410B-2/R4: B-C-C-C-C/A-C-C
    Messer. Me 410B-2/R5: 6xC/C-C-C
    Messer. Me 410B-2/U-4: B-D-D-X/A-D-X
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    May I ask what the X Damage Deck for the 50mm cannon contains, please, Karl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    May I ask what the X Damage Deck for the 50mm cannon contains, please, Karl?
    That's for the 50mm anti-bomber guns. Also used for AtG against tanks and flak.
    Given the very low RoF (45rpm) and the small amount of ammo (21 or 22 rds), some sort of house rule for it's use needs to be done.
    Obviously, it can only target bombers or ground targets.
    I don't have a good rule for it right now.
    Karl
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    Another note on this cannon; it was used at a longer range than MGs could shoot, by design. It did score several kills on B-17s and B-24s, but if there were escort fighters, they were dead meat.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    26) Any deck with the modifier (db) needs to add divebombing cards to it.

    27) Blackburn Roc: Deck is now Z(T)(db). Dorsal turret: 360 level to high, with front and rear arc blind spots, B/A.

    28) Boulton-Paul Defiant: Use the K* deck (no reversals).

    29) Henschel HS129B-2 is now the Henschel HS129B-1. Deck is now XC
    Henschel HS129B-2 (1944) is now the Henschel HS129B-2/Wa. Guns are
    A-C-C-D/C-C. Ceiling goes to 9; climb to 7. The deck is now ZQ(b), as is the deck for the Henschel HS129B-3.

    30) Bristol Blenheim Mk.I and Mk.IVs are now the XF deck.
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    34) LaGG-7 (actually La-7) 1944 and 1945 are now the S deck
    The LaGG-5FN (La-5FN) is now the O(2) deck
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    I'm gonna be busy...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    All models of the P-38 now use a heavy fighter base.
    My pervious design opinion is trumped by the game designer, as it should be.
    Karl
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    A simple typo this time
    The Tachikawa Ki-39 Ida should be a Tachikawa Ki-36 Ida.
    This entry will also work for the Tachikawa Ki-55 Ida advanced trainer (if you want to take out the opposition early) or when it was used as a kamikaze plane. In either case, delete the rear MG.

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    I have another one for you Karl.

    Fairey Baracuda Mk II

    General characteristics

    Crew: 3
    Length: 39 ft 9 in (12.12 m)
    Wingspan: 49 ft 2 in (14.99 m)
    Height: 15 ft 2 in (4.62 m)
    Wing area: 405 sq ft (37.6 m2)
    Empty weight: 9,350 lb (4,241 kg)
    Gross weight: 13,200 lb (5,987 kg)
    Max takeoff weight: 14,100 lb (6,396 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 × Rolls-Royce Merlin 32 V-12 liquid-cooled piston engine, 1,640 hp (1,220 kW)
    Propellers: 4-bladed constant-speed propeller

    Performance
    Maximum speed: 240 mph (390 km/h, 210 kn)
    Cruise speed: 195 mph (314 km/h, 169 kn)
    Range: 1,150 mi (1,850 km, 1,000 nmi)
    Combat range: 686 mi (1,104 km, 596 nmi) with 1,620 lb (735 kg) torpedo
    Service ceiling: 16,000 ft (4,900 m)
    Time to altitude: 5,000 ft (1,524 m) in 6 minutes
    Wing loading: 32.6 lb/sq ft (159 kg/m2)
    Power/mass: 0.12 hp/lb (0.20 kW/kg)
    Guns: 2 × 0.303 in (7.7 mm) Vickers K machine guns in rear cockpit
    Bombs: 1× 1,620 lb (735 kg) aerial torpedo or 4× 450 lb (205 kg) depth charges or 6× 250 lb (110 kg) bombs

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    So, changes to this?

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Oh wow. Somehow I never found this one! Thanks Mike. I didn't see it on the unofficial list so assumed it hadn't been done. Silly me!

    Karl, ignore the previous post of mine.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 01-26-2024 at 19:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Oh wow. Somehow I never found this one! Thanks Mike. I didn't see it on the unofficial list so assumed it hadn't been done. Silly me!

    Karl, ignore the previous post of mine.
    If only I could find all the stuff I have done...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    If only I could find all the stuff I have done...
    I thought I went through all your albums, must have missed it.

    Karl, I guess I still need a climb rate/ceiling if everything else looks good.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 01-28-2024 at 13:30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I thought I went through all your albums, must have missed it.

    Karl, I guess I still ned a climb rate/ceiling if everything else looks good.
    Ahh.... yeh. well the entry in the spreadsheet only has the deck and the base

    At a glance, hits and guns are good. The I deck, however is way too fast. Mike: was this off of one of Max Headroom's cards?
    Deck should be ZJ (probably still a bit spritely, but that's OK.).
    Ceiling 6 and climb 8 rounds this one off.

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    35) Focke Wulf Fw 190G-1, G-2 and G-3 guns change to C-C/C.

    G-2 ands G-3 decks change to Q*
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    Just to keep things neat:

    Fairey Baracuda Mk II

    Deck: ZJ; Guns: -/- A/A; Hits: 20; Ceiling: 6; Climb: 8; Fighter base;
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus



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