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Did the Bomb or Stalin Defeat Japan?
Please see story:
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/t...=pocket-newtab
Thank you for the link to that story, Bill. Do you think we shall ever know the true reason?
Very interesting reading. Thanks for posting.
Like a few serious reviews of "recorded history", and that statement that "the victors write the history books", there have been events were facts were glossed over, if not completely fabricated, that we currently consider truth.
The author makes some compelling arguments, and the information presented makes a lot of sense to me, if that information and the timelime are accurate.
Mike
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Really makes Juan think.Originally Posted by OldGuy59
I used to think Stalin was declaring war on a defeated enemy to hopefully share in the spoils of victory.
But the author's approach has a lot going for it.
Certainly an interesting theory but I get suspicious of "revisionist" Historians.
I remember there was a plethora of that during the Centennial of the American Civil War & there were some who wanted to tear down the reputations of Grant & Lee!
Who cares as long as they were beaten. The bombings and the Russian invasion, agreed at Yalta, got the job done. Even then it was touch and go, after the Japanese Emperor ordered the undecided 'big six' running their war govt to surrender there was later an attempted coup in order to continue the war before the surrender was finalised.
One thing is sure though it was less expensive in all respects to send one bomber to achieve the work of 500, though conventional bombing recommenced after the two big 'uns whilst the Japanese dithered over their final decision.
These days much more can be achieved with conventional smart weapons than 500 bombers with dumb bombs and probably a single nuke unless your aim is simple wholesale destruction or area denial.
Sapiens qui vigilat "He is wise who watches"
Sorry to crap all over someone's parade, but I find that idea to be utter garbage.
And it starts with the presumption that it must have been one or the other. Completely ignoring a whole host of other factors that came into play. Things like the ongoing blockade, the continued advance of Allied forces other than the US/USSR in China, Southeast Asia, Burma, etc.
im so sick and tired of this revisionist history crap. i dont recall the emperor alluding to the russian invasion of manchuria in his surrender speech.
Definitely the bombs. I have just finished Robert Guillaine's From Pearl Harbor to Hiroshima. These are memoirs of the French journalist who spent the whole war in Tokyo, being lightely-interned (some restrictions imposed, nothing hard). A deep social and political insight.
"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
While I don't think we will know 100% for sure, I can say that my Father was in Hiroshima several weeks after the bomb drop and the photos he had were unbelievably devastating -- nothing to be seen in any direction but rubble with an occasional chimney sticking up. It seems logical to me that after two of these drops (and the Japanese government not knowing how many of these bombs the U.S. had) AND facing possible invasion AND a declaration of war by the Soviets, the totality of the the hopelessness faced by Japan impelled surrender....so a combination of factors...
An interesting alternate view......
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_weber.html
VERY interesting reading ! Thanks for posting.
B.
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