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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Thanks Dave! It got very confusing.
    There's three shovels out there - take your pick.... !

    Yep that would do it! Iam 80% Irish according to my DNA result.
    Last edited by gully_raker; 08-25-2020 at 21:45.

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  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    There's three shovels out there - take your pick.... !

    Yep that would do it! Iam 80% Irish according to my DNA result.
    No Idea how that happened. I started a new post to reply & which somehow ended up on Dave's original message!

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  3. #103

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    No Idea how that happened. I started a new post to reply & which somehow ended up on Dave's original message!
    Click on Edit on my post to see if you can do it again Baz.

    Trying again Dave!
    Last edited by gully_raker; 08-31-2020 at 03:32.

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  4. #104

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    Well that's weird. How come I can do that?

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  5. #105

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    You must have some access level you're unaware of Baz because you have Edit Post as an option - normally you'd have just Reply & Reply With Quote.
    Have a cast about and see where else you have the option, it may be just in OTT but could be elsewhere too.
    It may mean you can perform other admin functions as well.

    "He is wise who watches"

  6. #106

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    You must have some access level you're unaware of Baz because you have Edit Post as an option - normally you'd have just Reply & Reply With Quote.
    Have a cast about and see where else you have the option, it may be just in OTT but could be elsewhere too.
    It may mean you can perform other admin functions as well.
    Thanks Dave. I will have a poke about.

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    Uncle will be on leave for the next week to ten days so won't be in a position to process AAR, BRF or rosters until his return though he hopes to be able to monitor goings on.

    "He is wise who watches"

  8. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Uncle will be on leave for the next week to ten days so won't be in a position to process AAR, BRF or rosters until his return though he hopes to be able to monitor goings on.
    Enjoy your R & R Dave.

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    Cheers Baz, dog/house sitting for my sister back in Sussex, visiting son, grandson and the new bump due next year. We know how lockdown was spent now !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    We know how lockdown was spent now !

    Cheers to the new addition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
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    Congrats on the bump and enjoy the break.

    I am a baby boomer, I wonder what they will call the virus boomers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Congrats on the bump and enjoy the break.

    I am a baby boomer, I wonder what they will call the virus boomers.
    How about Lockdown boomers.
    Incidentally Cosmologically speaking I have always been a believer in the Big Bang theory.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Is it luck or is ShadowDragon cooking the books in the CYM campaign or something else? A strange comment - especially since what would be the point of the latter since one can play a scenario several times and choose any one of them for the submitted AAR. However, I've only played each once. I just don't have the time to play the scenarios more than once.

    So, I looked at the statistics - the SeaDogs have outshot (i.e., a firing opportunity and not the number of damage cards drawn) in air to air combat 3 to 2 (107 to 72 for the missions so far). When it comes to non-fire / collision damage cards drawn it about 5 to 3 (144 to 88.) Since I only play one of the aircraft why the difference?

    One factor is that when an enemy aircraft is forced back to base its movements become easier to predict plus the hunter plane can easily tail the prey. It's something I would like to somehow change - lately I've taken to diving the escaping aircraft if its in friendly territory with the idea if it gets low enough AA will be able to engage the pursuer. That has helped.

    The other is that I've played altitude with the N11 easily able to outclimb the EIII. The difference that makes is that the N11s are more able to pick when and where they'll engage and have less chance of a random long shot from an aircraft other than the target chosen by an N11 and if there is a shot from behind it will likely be for 1 damage card. It won't be the case with when engaging 2-seaters due to their arc of fire; in those missions the shot exchange ratio is pretty much 1 to 1. I expect with EIII being replaced by Halberstadts and Albatrosses in the up coming missions the altitude advantage will disappear. I usually try to insert a climb card anytime the AI has a straight, but we will see.

    Where there's been an imbalance is in the dreaded Boom card and nearly as bad for fragile aircraft the Fire card. Here the luck has certainly fallen in favour of the SeaDogs, but it was really only in the first two and a half missions. After that the number of these special cards drawn for each side are within a standard deviation of the expected number based on the number of damage cards drawn. The SeaDogs got 9 of these while the expected number based on the total for both sides was 7 +/- 6. The Adlers got 3 with the expected number being 5 +/- 5. As you can see from the standard deviations the variation can be large.

    What's really been terrible are the C&W draws. That is what it is I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon View Post
    Is it luck or is ShadowDragon cooking the books in the CYM campaign or something else? A strange comment - especially since what would be the point of the latter since one can play a scenario several times and choose any one of them for the submitted AAR. However, I've only played each once. I just don't have the time to play the scenarios more than once.

    So, I looked at the statistics - the SeaDogs have outshot (i.e., a firing opportunity and not the number of damage cards drawn) in air to air combat 3 to 2 (107 to 72 for the missions so far). When it comes to non-fire / collision damage cards drawn it about 5 to 3 (144 to 88.) Since I only play one of the aircraft why the difference?

    One factor is that when an enemy aircraft is forced back to base its movements become easier to predict plus the hunter plane can easily tail the prey. It's something I would like to somehow change - lately I've taken to diving the escaping aircraft if its in friendly territory with the idea if it gets low enough AA will be able to engage the pursuer. That has helped.

    The other is that I've played altitude with the N11 easily able to outclimb the EIII. The difference that makes is that the N11s are more able to pick when and where they'll engage and have less chance of a random long shot from an aircraft other than the target chosen by an N11 and if there is a shot from behind it will likely be for 1 damage card. It won't be the case with when engaging 2-seaters due to their arc of fire; in those missions the shot exchange ratio is pretty much 1 to 1. I expect with EIII being replaced by Halberstadts and Albatrosses in the up coming missions the altitude advantage will disappear. I usually try to insert a climb card anytime the AI has a straight, but we will see.

    Where there's been an imbalance is in the dreaded Boom card and nearly as bad for fragile aircraft the Fire card. Here the luck has certainly fallen in favour of the SeaDogs, but it was really only in the first two and a half missions. After that the number of these special cards drawn for each side are within a standard deviation of the expected number based on the number of damage cards drawn. The SeaDogs got 9 of these while the expected number based on the total for both sides was 7 +/- 6. The Adlers got 3 with the expected number being 5 +/- 5. As you can see from the standard deviations the variation can be large.

    What's really been terrible are the C&W draws. That is what it is I suppose.
    My post got me curious to dig a little more into the stats of my games - in particular to check the stats as I only did a quick survey of the above. As I noted the luck for some of specials do favour the Seadogs but the results are still well within a standard deviation of expectations; and that's due to the low odds of fire/booms which leads to a wide range. Also noted was that the Seadogs drew more damage cards and therefore more chances of specials.

    The check just confirmed this, but I also wanted to look further into the effect of games up to Mission 5 and those after Mission 5. Two things occurred to change things after Mission 5. First, I thought that playing the altitude advantage was a mistake as I was losing shots at long range and therefore losing missions where I had to bring down 2-seaters, so I started having the Seadogs prefer to fight on the same level as the Adlers. The second was that the Seadogs started to face more 2-seaters and more capable scouts (i.e., Halberstadts). (Mission 4 being the only mission up to 5 with 2-seaters, for the rest the Seadogs face mostly EIII and a couple of captured Nieuport 11s.) The change was startling - the advantage for the Seadogs up to Mission 5 was nearly 2:1 (actually 1.85 to 1) in terms of non-special card (i.e., Boom and extra fire damage) damage done including +1 for advantage shots. From mission 6 to 8 its fallen to an advantage of just 1.15 to 1, which is probably not surprising for players versus AI but definitely things have been closer to being on par since Mission 6.

    One thing I noticed was that the +1 for an advantage (altitude or tailing) is, for B damage cards, equivalent to an extra damage card, which means that it somewhat compensates for losing the 2nd card damage card at close range. Naturally long range shots are lost. So I'm thinking of going back to a strategy of the Seadogs trying to gain an altitude advantage.

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    I have also questioned the potential +1 advantage for altitude vs. the loss of a long range shot.
    With so many zeros in the "B" deck it's not much of an advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    I have also questioned the potential +1 advantage for altitude vs. the loss of a long range shot.
    With so many zeros in the "B" deck it's not much of an advantage.
    Quite so Pete. In my experience its better to be at the same altitude and have the 2 cards advantage of a close range shot than the potential +1. Perhaps a house rule is in order here such as ignore all zeros drawn when firing from above .


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  19. #119

    Unhappy Life getting in the way!

    G'day Chaps!
    With the settlement on the sale of my property & the Villa purchase looming ever closer I am struggling to catch up with the OTT missions.
    Its being a huge job clearing out 35+ years of "stuff" from the Farm.
    I might have a chance next week if things work out but it looks like I will be moving mid December so I might go "Missing in Action" depending on how the timing works.

    Dave I may need to ask for somebody to volunteer to take over my January BRF if things get too complicated.

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    No worries on the BRF front Baz, let me know nearer the time once you're sure, I'm think that the few of us left in the air will be able to cover it !
    Having moved after many years in the same house ourselves not that long ago I know what you must be going through - Once I got into letting go of the detritus I found it a cathartic exercise, it was well worth the pain.
    Wish you luck with it - and don't be a stranger, your input is appreciated AAR or no.

    "He is wise who watches"

  21. #121

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    No worries on the BRF front Baz, let me know nearer the time once you're sure, I'm think that the few of us left in the air will be able to cover it !
    Having moved after many years in the same house ourselves not that long ago I know what you must be going through - Once I got into letting go of the detritus I found it a cathartic exercise, it was well worth the pain.
    Wish you luck with it - and don't be a stranger, your input is appreciated AAR or no.
    Thanks Dave! The WoG models, games table & supports plus all my F1, Le Mans models plus 1/72 WW2 aero models will be securely packed & carefully moved.

    Everything else is "secondary" Oh except all my Ospreys & WW1 books!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Thanks Dave! The WoG models, games table & supports plus all my F1, Le Mans models plus 1/72 WW2 aero models will be securely packed & carefully moved.
    Everything else is "secondary" Oh except all my Ospreys & WW1 books!
    And the vino !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    And the vino !
    I will drink that before the move & then re-stock.

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