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    Hi all,

    I am a late starter to wings of glory as I only discovered it last November or so. I heavily bought into Tripods and Triplanes and since then have been buying a fair few planes too as it seems to be more popular than T&T. What I have noticed when comparing my planes to those of my club mates who have much older minis from wings of war is that my newer planes are distinctly inferior.

    I had emailed Ares of my disappointment but am wondering if this is just how the planes are made now and that all of the newer releases will suffer from a lack of quality?


    Here is what I was particularly unhappy about with two of my DR1 planes.
    Paint job is badly done, the front section of the wings you can see the spray paint wasn't done enough and is spotty. Under the wing there is a strange black strip where the underside paint wasn't done correctly.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/JyyqmL9X2zvWNcT17

    The tail has been attached at a poor angle.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/RqtEBdFwXWzpyA51A

    The wheel section is attached at a very poor angle on both planes.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/AW392d9wU4Bgd7sz5
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/JH7fAeyVBZLmh8GW6

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    The overall conception is that the quality was a lot higher years ago. I recently got the red DR1 (just like you) and have the exact same issues. I will re-paint this mini though...

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    I have to agree with you William, I was staggered by the low quality of many of the latest releases, I have models with misaligned decals and parts, blobs/floods of glue over the finish; I have seen models with missing/broken parts (guns, undercarriage, wings, tails), misapplied glue, bad repairs. I was disappointed for those who had waited so long to get their hands on SE.5's to receive such poorly finished models.
    I've always preferred my Nexus models over Ares (series 1 models in particular) but Ares have produced many models that Nexus didn't so I have quite a few and the finish of these latest offerings is by far the worst I've seen.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Wow I must admit I've not had any that bad. If that's how they are going how about supplying them in the bare plastic with a decal set and we could paint our own...cheaper too I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowters View Post
    Wow I must admit I've not had any that bad. If that's how they are going how about supplying them in the bare plastic with a decal set and we could paint our own...cheaper too I would think.
    That would crush sales down to almost nothing - the main appeal of the minis is that you can play "straight-out-of-the-box".

    The great majority of WGF players are not mini-painters.

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    I agree with Flying Helmet. I have gotten a few with spots all over them from paint overspray. For modellers it is no problem to touch up the paint. It is a bummer for people who do not want to mess with painting them. I don't blame them one bit being the planes are suppose to be usable right out of the box. That is one of the biggest appeals to me. I don't have to sink a weeks worth of hobby work before I can play.

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    Just got an REF SE5.A and a Spad XIII in the post. They seem OK, in particular the REF.5A is great, can't fault that plane. Out of all the planes I have I would say the Fokker Dr1 are the worst by far.

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    My complaint with the 'new' WGS plane production is the decals being used for the camo 'paint' on upper surfaces. It has been a tragedy for 'out-of-the-box' models. Nothing that has been released since the BoB Starter Set has been worth the considerable price tag here in Canada. All of them need paint. The new bombers are the same.

    The Nieuport 17s over-wing guns are barely recognizable as weapons, they being a warped mess on most of the models I received. I have overlooked the paint jobs, because they are a single source product, with no competition. And I have no other models with which to compare them.

    On the other hand. We have BSG, and the ridiculous level of paint job quality on those models, where there is definitely a competing game.

    PS: Did I mention that I can now buy BSG models for just about $10 less each than what I have to pay for crappy WGS planes here in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    The great majority of WGF players are not mini-painters.
    "Alas!" cry the Shapeways designers. But quite true!

    I thought we might see reasonably-priced colored 3D prints on the horizon by now, but the technology must be harder than I thought.

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    I am also a "late" Starter and I Got some wow and wog Models.

    The wow models have the positive Aspect that the wheels and the propellers are turnable.

    What i recognised by the new model that with a dr I the Propeller Fall apart right of the Box. By an other plane the howl subsection fall apart. And at a third model the wing Section was broken off.

    So my Main issue ia not primary the Paint Job but the "clue"...but i could fixes them all.

    Guess in the old Times there was More Love to the Details

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    while i agree that there does seem to be a definite quality slippage from wow minis, id remind everyone that these are playing pieces not models so we cant and shouldnt expect a level of detail to be found on scale models. and at this point, i guess we should be thankful for anything we get as wings of glory seems to have become something of a redheaded step child as far as ares seems concerned.

    that being said, im continually baffled by the choice of bright/light colored plastic for under the camo decals making the contrast oh so more visible, and/or not having the decals wrap around leading/trailing edges more. it seems to me but a little more effort would be required to give a vast improvement in the overall look of the minis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    "Alas!" cry the Shapeways designers. But quite true!

    I thought we might see reasonably-priced colored 3D prints on the horizon by now, but the technology must be harder than I thought.
    Currently, HeroForge has a Kickstarter campaign to create colored miniature figures. In their proposal, they state that they partner with Shapeways for 3D printing of their figures. Perhaps this technology will roll out to all Shapeways designers in general, but I'm sure the price for airplanes would increase dramatically.
    So how many books are in your personal library?

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    I must be lucky as the McCudden SE5a, the Bishop SE5 & the Voss Pfalz I got recently are all great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJG173 View Post
    Currently, HeroForge has a Kickstarter campaign to create colored miniature figures. In their proposal, they state that they partner with Shapeways for 3D printing of their figures. Perhaps this technology will roll out to all Shapeways designers in general, but I'm sure the price for airplanes would increase dramatically.
    There is sandstone for figures, but it wouldn't hold up to typical gaming (very brittle). Then there is the multicolor polyjet, but they have a $99 minimum price on that...bleh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    while i agree that there does seem to be a definite quality slippage from wow minis, id remind everyone that these are playing pieces not models so we cant and shouldnt expect a level of detail to be found on scale models...
    Actually they are scale models, not as accurate or as detailed as some perhaps because they also have to be robust enough to be handled in a game, we all accept that but they're models nonetheless and we should at least expect that their parts and decals are fitted correctly.
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.
    Yeah that is one thing I am not too keen about with 303 Squadron.
    Clunky doesn't even begin to describe them ...

    But they are just board game markers, like the original Axis and Allies, and are not expected to look like a simulation.
    Still ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Actually they are scale models, not as accurate or as detailed as some perhaps because they also have to be robust enough to be handled in a game, we all accept that but they're models nonetheless and we should at least expect that their parts and decals are fitted correctly.
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.


    theyre just better quality playing pieces then that.

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    I'm just happy WW1 planes are still in the game. There was a 2 year layoff with noting produced. So while I, too, wish the finer points were perfectly done (hate the slabby wings), I am really afraid they are stretching their budget to get these out, with nothing else for WW1 announced yet for the future.

    I think a KS for either a new WW1 series or exclusive set of paint schemes at a higher detail level would be awesome.

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    Not a new issue I am afraid, My early WOW planes were outstanding, but as years have gone by each print has been poorer and poorer. First it was wing edges not covered, then the tail decal was too small. Will not even get into the Sopwith Tripe issues (some people get REAL upset on that one...). I just chalk it up to poorer and poorer QC by the manufacturers as they cut costs more and more. If not for the maneuver decks and plane cards Shapeways would have wiped out plane sales a long time ago (matter of fact, you can get MANY of the airframes ONLY from them). The painted concept is outstanding but between poor supply (or at least lack sellers with a supply) and shoddy construction from China things are grim. You need to get some of the older WoW box sets with maneuver card decks and plane cards and go the Shapeways route if you are a painter, or just bite the bullet and pay excessive prices on E-Bay.



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