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    Hi all,

    I am a late starter to wings of glory as I only discovered it last November or so. I heavily bought into Tripods and Triplanes and since then have been buying a fair few planes too as it seems to be more popular than T&T. What I have noticed when comparing my planes to those of my club mates who have much older minis from wings of war is that my newer planes are distinctly inferior.

    I had emailed Ares of my disappointment but am wondering if this is just how the planes are made now and that all of the newer releases will suffer from a lack of quality?


    Here is what I was particularly unhappy about with two of my DR1 planes.
    Paint job is badly done, the front section of the wings you can see the spray paint wasn't done enough and is spotty. Under the wing there is a strange black strip where the underside paint wasn't done correctly.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/JyyqmL9X2zvWNcT17

    The tail has been attached at a poor angle.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/RqtEBdFwXWzpyA51A

    The wheel section is attached at a very poor angle on both planes.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/AW392d9wU4Bgd7sz5
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/JH7fAeyVBZLmh8GW6

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    The overall conception is that the quality was a lot higher years ago. I recently got the red DR1 (just like you) and have the exact same issues. I will re-paint this mini though...

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    I have to agree with you William, I was staggered by the low quality of many of the latest releases, I have models with misaligned decals and parts, blobs/floods of glue over the finish; I have seen models with missing/broken parts (guns, undercarriage, wings, tails), misapplied glue, bad repairs. I was disappointed for those who had waited so long to get their hands on SE.5's to receive such poorly finished models.
    I've always preferred my Nexus models over Ares (series 1 models in particular) but Ares have produced many models that Nexus didn't so I have quite a few and the finish of these latest offerings is by far the worst I've seen.

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    Wow I must admit I've not had any that bad. If that's how they are going how about supplying them in the bare plastic with a decal set and we could paint our own...cheaper too I would think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dowters View Post
    Wow I must admit I've not had any that bad. If that's how they are going how about supplying them in the bare plastic with a decal set and we could paint our own...cheaper too I would think.
    That would crush sales down to almost nothing - the main appeal of the minis is that you can play "straight-out-of-the-box".

    The great majority of WGF players are not mini-painters.

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    I agree with Flying Helmet. I have gotten a few with spots all over them from paint overspray. For modellers it is no problem to touch up the paint. It is a bummer for people who do not want to mess with painting them. I don't blame them one bit being the planes are suppose to be usable right out of the box. That is one of the biggest appeals to me. I don't have to sink a weeks worth of hobby work before I can play.

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    Just got an REF SE5.A and a Spad XIII in the post. They seem OK, in particular the REF.5A is great, can't fault that plane. Out of all the planes I have I would say the Fokker Dr1 are the worst by far.

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    My complaint with the 'new' WGS plane production is the decals being used for the camo 'paint' on upper surfaces. It has been a tragedy for 'out-of-the-box' models. Nothing that has been released since the BoB Starter Set has been worth the considerable price tag here in Canada. All of them need paint. The new bombers are the same.

    The Nieuport 17s over-wing guns are barely recognizable as weapons, they being a warped mess on most of the models I received. I have overlooked the paint jobs, because they are a single source product, with no competition. And I have no other models with which to compare them.

    On the other hand. We have BSG, and the ridiculous level of paint job quality on those models, where there is definitely a competing game.

    PS: Did I mention that I can now buy BSG models for just about $10 less each than what I have to pay for crappy WGS planes here in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    The great majority of WGF players are not mini-painters.
    "Alas!" cry the Shapeways designers. But quite true!

    I thought we might see reasonably-priced colored 3D prints on the horizon by now, but the technology must be harder than I thought.

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    I am also a "late" Starter and I Got some wow and wog Models.

    The wow models have the positive Aspect that the wheels and the propellers are turnable.

    What i recognised by the new model that with a dr I the Propeller Fall apart right of the Box. By an other plane the howl subsection fall apart. And at a third model the wing Section was broken off.

    So my Main issue ia not primary the Paint Job but the "clue"...but i could fixes them all.

    Guess in the old Times there was More Love to the Details

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    while i agree that there does seem to be a definite quality slippage from wow minis, id remind everyone that these are playing pieces not models so we cant and shouldnt expect a level of detail to be found on scale models. and at this point, i guess we should be thankful for anything we get as wings of glory seems to have become something of a redheaded step child as far as ares seems concerned.

    that being said, im continually baffled by the choice of bright/light colored plastic for under the camo decals making the contrast oh so more visible, and/or not having the decals wrap around leading/trailing edges more. it seems to me but a little more effort would be required to give a vast improvement in the overall look of the minis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact View Post
    "Alas!" cry the Shapeways designers. But quite true!

    I thought we might see reasonably-priced colored 3D prints on the horizon by now, but the technology must be harder than I thought.
    Currently, HeroForge has a Kickstarter campaign to create colored miniature figures. In their proposal, they state that they partner with Shapeways for 3D printing of their figures. Perhaps this technology will roll out to all Shapeways designers in general, but I'm sure the price for airplanes would increase dramatically.
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    I must be lucky as the McCudden SE5a, the Bishop SE5 & the Voss Pfalz I got recently are all great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RJG173 View Post
    Currently, HeroForge has a Kickstarter campaign to create colored miniature figures. In their proposal, they state that they partner with Shapeways for 3D printing of their figures. Perhaps this technology will roll out to all Shapeways designers in general, but I'm sure the price for airplanes would increase dramatically.
    There is sandstone for figures, but it wouldn't hold up to typical gaming (very brittle). Then there is the multicolor polyjet, but they have a $99 minimum price on that...bleh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    while i agree that there does seem to be a definite quality slippage from wow minis, id remind everyone that these are playing pieces not models so we cant and shouldnt expect a level of detail to be found on scale models...
    Actually they are scale models, not as accurate or as detailed as some perhaps because they also have to be robust enough to be handled in a game, we all accept that but they're models nonetheless and we should at least expect that their parts and decals are fitted correctly.
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.
    Yeah that is one thing I am not too keen about with 303 Squadron.
    Clunky doesn't even begin to describe them ...

    But they are just board game markers, like the original Axis and Allies, and are not expected to look like a simulation.
    Still ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Actually they are scale models, not as accurate or as detailed as some perhaps because they also have to be robust enough to be handled in a game, we all accept that but they're models nonetheless and we should at least expect that their parts and decals are fitted correctly.
    If they were just playing pieces they'd look akin to what's coming with the 303 squadron board game.


    theyre just better quality playing pieces then that.

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    I'm just happy WW1 planes are still in the game. There was a 2 year layoff with noting produced. So while I, too, wish the finer points were perfectly done (hate the slabby wings), I am really afraid they are stretching their budget to get these out, with nothing else for WW1 announced yet for the future.

    I think a KS for either a new WW1 series or exclusive set of paint schemes at a higher detail level would be awesome.

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    Not a new issue I am afraid, My early WOW planes were outstanding, but as years have gone by each print has been poorer and poorer. First it was wing edges not covered, then the tail decal was too small. Will not even get into the Sopwith Tripe issues (some people get REAL upset on that one...). I just chalk it up to poorer and poorer QC by the manufacturers as they cut costs more and more. If not for the maneuver decks and plane cards Shapeways would have wiped out plane sales a long time ago (matter of fact, you can get MANY of the airframes ONLY from them). The painted concept is outstanding but between poor supply (or at least lack sellers with a supply) and shoddy construction from China things are grim. You need to get some of the older WoW box sets with maneuver card decks and plane cards and go the Shapeways route if you are a painter, or just bite the bullet and pay excessive prices on E-Bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post

    PS: Did I mention that I can now buy BSG models for just about $10 less each than what I have to pay for crappy WGS planes here in Canada?
    More than 2/3 of my collection I ordered from the US... even with shipping and conversion, it was still cheaper buying it out of country. Part of the reason is stock and the ridiculous shipping we're charged from FLGS here. If I could buy a bunch of planes from one place it wouldn't be too bad.. but having to order them one or two at a time, each time costing $30 to ship them 400Km in the same province is supreme BS. I can order 10 from the USA for $30 yank-franks in shipping using USPS.

    I had the same problem with my model railroad. Ordered 90% of the supplies I couldn't get at the local shops from the US because stock in Canada is so low and shipping so ridiculously high.

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    I used to say they are gaming pieces, not models, so I try not to care too much about details in WGF/WGS, but sometimes I just can ntot justify the annoying, irritating errors in shapes (colours may be touched up with some effort). The worst, almost an unbearable terrible example for me is Bf 109K which is a some WWII German fighter hybrid.
    And do not ask Boney10 what he thinks of the Sopwith Triplane mini.
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    They are just "playing pieces".

    Pardon the expression, but "I don't buy it."

    Back to my previous post, BSG is a game with playing pieces. It is not historical, and accuracy is fiction. However, look at the ships on the program and the models produced by Ares. Nothing else needs to be said about the quality that is possible, if Ares wanted to provide it. And the cost per model for purchasers isn't near as dear?

    IMHO, it is profit margin driving this. Wings of Glory as a game doesn't sell as well as sci-fi, so I suspect WoG suffers from being a fringe game. Low demand changes everything, and to make money Ares needs to restrict the runs, which lowers the quality and raises the "per unit" cost. This causes distribution issues, affecting availability and popularity.

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    Some of the new ones I have gotten dont look as well made as the 2 older WoW ones I have gotten. Hopefully Ares is not going to go on the total cheap for the game...

    Off topic slightly, does anyone know if we will be getting any new planes for the game? I saw some new WW2 bombers coming out, but crickets for the WW1 game...

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    At least Corsair, Aircobra and a Japaneese fighter in plans. Ares FB helps a lot with such espionage

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    Dang, was hoping to see some new WW1 planes, or reprints of some of the hard to find ones...

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    Series 4 was reprinted some time ago, you can expect S5 in some time, but if is not announced yet.

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    I haven't bought any new planes or reprints so can't comment on them. As for other/different planes I have gone with AIM 1/200 for WW II and now started on Shapeways for the WW I planes. I am not the painter that many here are but that keeps me occupied and I get planes that ae not offered but wanted.

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    I have enough original Nexus and early production Ares planes in both WW1 and WW2. Any gaps in my collection have been filled by Shapeways (WW1 and some WW2) and AIM for the bulk of my WW2.

    Bases I have bought from the Aerodrome and Litko. Decals from a variety of sources. Decks for the many new non official aircraft have come from spare decks or I have printed my own.

    I can buy, paint, decal and produce movement decks faster than Ares brings out reprints or waiting in the hope that what I want/need will be produced by them.

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    So true Neil. Seems the folks in here are more productive then ARES. I have cards that others have made for planes I have painted and appreciate that they have done so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    I have enough original Nexus and early production Ares planes in both WW1 and WW2. Any gaps in my collection have been filled by Shapeways (WW1 and some WW2) and AIM for the bulk of my WW2.

    Bases I have bought from the Aerodrome and Litko. Decals from a variety of sources. Decks for the many new non official aircraft have come from spare decks or I have printed my own.

    I can buy, paint, decal and produce movement decks faster than Ares brings out reprints or waiting in the hope that what I want/need will be produced by them.

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    I'm also on board with Neil's mantra. I won't wait for ARES when I can do it myself. I am happy whenever they do release new or reprints but I am better at getting what I want by doing it myself. I'd never be able to run half the battles I've done if I depended on ARES/Nexus.

    Still I am very happy to support ARES when they do have a new release. They are keeping the game alive and I am grateful for this.

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    Me too.

    I still buy two of every plane released (one for play, one for my "collection"), plus multiple extras of specific planes for squadron repaints.

    Can't make cards or decks, but my duplicate planes provide lots of "spares".


    My personal belief about the BSG miniatures is that they are much better quality because they have to compete for attention with all the "X-wing" minis - the WGF and WGS lines don't have such direct competition, so Ares are "happy" to let standards slip...…………..

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    so Ares are "happy" to let standards slip...…………..
    yup that's how I feel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas_Archer View Post
    Some of the new ones I have gotten dont look as well made as the 2 older WoW ones I have gotten. Hopefully Ares is not going to go on the total cheap for the game...

    Off topic slightly, does anyone know if we will be getting any new planes for the game? I saw some new WW2 bombers coming out, but crickets for the WW1 game...
    Two things.

    First, a belated Welcome Aboard, old shipmate. Second, a lot of this is Chinese manufacturing SOP--their favorite trick is to hook you in, get you dependent on them and then cut corners to improve their profit margin at the expense of yours.

    We've been noticing this ever since the relaunch, actually... see this discussion three years ago. https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...ighlight=china
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    My personal belief about the BSG miniatures is that they are much better quality because they have to compete for attention with all the "X-wing" minis - the WGF and WGS lines don't have such direct competition, so Ares are "happy" to let standards slip...…………..
    BSG also has an IP owner/licensor that has a vested interest in enforcing quality of product and "Brand Image." I'm surprised Boeing and the US Air Force haven't gotten froggy over the trademarks on "B-17" and "Memphis Belle" respectively...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    ...We've been noticing this ever since the relaunch, actually... see this discussion three years ago. https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...ighlight=china
    What was the response to your note to Ares DB ?

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    at this point i think ares could make more money on the wings of glory line releasing maneuver decks from time to time. keep producing minis, but release maneuver decks in the interim for the do it yourselfers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    at this point i think ares could make more money on the wings of glory line releasing maneuver decks from time to time. keep producing minis, but release maneuver decks in the interim for the do it yourselfers.
    We've tried to get them to do "booster packs" for Sails--not even decks, just base inserts, ship logs and cards, and they haven't budged on those either even though it might drive more sales of shelfwarmers.

    Hard reality is when Ares signed the BSG license it meant BSG drives the bus and everybody else gets to fight over whatever sloppy seconds are left over.
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    I have just received a few aircraft, my McCudden SE5a is fine, the Bishop SE5 has a blob of glue where the Lewis has been stuck on the top wing and there seems to be some bubbling of paint on the fuselage.
    I also had an Albatros and Pfaltz that seem to be fine.

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    The last release for me are fine. Previous, Frommherz had a torn decal as did the spider on the Chavannes SPAD XIII. Not sure if I'll try to get another of each hoping for good ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondback View Post
    We've tried to get them to do "booster packs" for Sails--not even decks, just base inserts, ship logs and cards, and they haven't budged on those either even though it might drive more sales of shelfwarmers.

    Hard reality is when Ares signed the BSG license it meant BSG drives the bus and everybody else gets to fight over whatever sloppy seconds are left over.


    more like sloppy fifths........

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    I am very picky when it comes to quality and i love to spend some extra money to have a chance to pick what i like in my local shop.

    So here is what my OCD brain thinks about Ares stuff my OCD brain have seen in my local shop.

    Series 5 (2012): Nice, pad printing, tasty.

    Bombers - Special Packs (2012): Decal wrapped, but well done, no overlapping shiny fringes

    Duel Packs (2013): Ouch, no, thank you. Decal wrapping didn't came out well here.

    Series 1A (reprint 2013): Ah, nice, thicker wings, but otherwise cute looking little beasts.

    Series 6 (2013): Well done Ares, well ... the triplane has its own character ... but don't look at it from the side, and it looks fine. Decal wrapping is well done.

    Series 2A (2014): My most favourite series of all. Pad printing top notch, i purchased even the stuff i have already, just to support the quality. This stands out. The blue Roland looks better than the original one. The other Rolands look no worse than the original ones. The Goering looks absolutely marvellous, i am sure they didn't use black plastic here so they didn't have cover it with thick white paint like Nexus. The other D.VII are gorgeous as well. Aircos look fantastic! Wait .. are those British roundels on Snipes a joke? Is that red dot moved to the side or am i drunk? I am afraid, i am not.

    Series 7 (2014): Everything looks very, very nice, Brisfits and Spads especially, just Alb. D.II sucks. It does suck.

    Bombers - Special Packs (reprint 2014): The yellow is very yellow yellow, is that what is that supposed to be?

    Series 8 (2015): That green Macchi is uno ugly bastardo, but the rest of this series is nice or just beautiful.

    Series 9 (2016): Not bad at all. The decals on Phoenixes could be way worse, as we know... Strutters are beauties.

    Giant bombers (2016): I love them. They are done right.

    Series 3A (reprint 2017):
    Harry Tates are gorgeous, but most of them have glue spilled on the lower wing (Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy). Albs are fine, just the Gruber's Alb has bad decals and looks ugly as f-word. Nieuports are gorgeous. Ufags are pad printed, and they are fairly nicely pad printed.

    Series 1B (reprint 2019): Fokkers - goddamn horrible. So now we have thick wings AND ugly declas? I thought i would finally have my own Kempf - no i won't. I prefer to pay 60 freaking bucks + shipping on ebay for the old one. Camels - very pretty. Spads - no, thank you, wrapped in declas like a baby, fringes contrast too much. Albs - Weber - better than the original. MVR - the red on MVR fuselage is not the same as the red on MVR wings. I will make my own.

    Series 4A (reprint 2019): Rumpler - no, the decal wrap looks cheap, no, thank you. SE5 - glue drops on most of them, especially on the lower wings. I hate the new trend of making the British roundels purple. Pfalz - nice (not the blue one), but they used the old form to cast the iron fuselage and tail (one piece), and so the tail wings are not levelled just like the old ones. Breguet -nice or beautiful (the yellow one).
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    Hello ,

    I too recently started playing Glory's wings, i was offered a small figurine of D.520 in 2010 that I had put on display next to the 1/72 and 1/48 models, it took a friend to convert me at the" play mat" only in 2018 !

    I just hope that my English and the translator will be correct to explain what I see on this subject :

    After a nice discussion on the subject "quality of miniatures in 2020 with " monse " and "ABS" during our last part, (as i was also project manager for a French die-casting company on a new aeronautical range 1/72 , 1/48 ) a study for a year :

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    I was curious to understand how these models Wings of War / Glory were made ?

    On the 1st WOW / WOG models, the fact that some of them were probably painted in the factory with an airbrush by hand, their rarity gives them today a certain value of collection and even if this basic paint is far from the quality of plastic airplane model : http://www.maquetland.com/v2/images_...ncaster-18.jpg


    Perfect "patina" is surely not the 1st goal sought by the brand either. There must be a compromise between a playful and historical aspect for the figurine which moves, sometimes being roughed up on the play mat, I suppose that a design study was carried out on its weight, the various materials for its manufacture, its maneuverability , its resistance, its base then the 3D study for the correct shapes of the device ... etc



    Photo :Wings of Glory Aerodrome


    With this revolutionary, playful conceptual miniature miniature, since its creation, we are far from the classic Wargame metal model : https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/...ecc2af19_z.jpg, enough heavy, unwieldy.

    Or that in plastic from various other aeronautical table games: https://twtrb.blogspot.com/2017/09/b...d-mustang.html (sometimes without propeller) ) which often are not realistic and fly away at the slightest gust of wind !



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    Example of a complete painting on an old Wings of War model the Dewoitine D.520 Thollon * Nexus 2009

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    The camouflage spots, the red diamond were most probably made with an airbrush cover:

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    On the P.47 D from Mohrle a Wings of Glory * Ares 2016 model

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    By enlarging we can clearly see an adhesive film which replaces the paint:

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    On the other hand this "macro" adhesive film allows a greater precision of reproduction on the decorations, logos and roundels of the devices which would not be possible in painting with the cache on this scale, it is also less expensive than a new painting on a reissue or a recent edition for the brand and the junction at the end of the wings is surely not "mechanically" allowed by the machine which therefore leaves the edges of a gray "plastic" color.


    So Nexus miniatures, Ares ? , a quality of form and "decoration" that would drop in 2020 ? paints or adhesive films ? :
    These two methods are good for figurines of play, they have their defects and their qualities, to acquire them will then depend on the tastes of each one and the use made of the plane (some undoubtedly expose them also in window) and for me blending them harmoniously by putting beautiful clear canopies and sometimes joints between the wings / airplane fuselage on some models would not be a bad thing in itself, but rather a good idea because in general (with a few exceptions), they are rather aesthetically good successful our little flying wonders on the table !




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    Ps : Please note to new players, if you no longer have the packaging and want to know quickly if your model is a Wings of War or a reissued Wings of Glory?
    Look on the base of the arc of circle if it is red it is a Wings of Glory model and if it is black a Wings of War model :

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    Thank you Spad VII for this technical and interesting explanation, from a professional Die Cast manufacturer.
    We can now understand why the appearance of the miniatures changed.
    Rep deserved.

    (To identify a WOW or a WOG base, the symbols are also different)

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    Thank you for sharing this explanation, it was very helpful in explaining the differences between the two. REP!

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    Oh yes, the models used to be pad printed. Now they are wrapped up in decals.
    Actually Ares returned to pad printing in quite a few cases of WW1 models. WW2 seems to have been be damned. Even the Lancaster bombers and B-17s are decal coated. And they could have been easily padded as they are big. One of the reasons i have stopped buying the WW2 models.

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    This is a very helpful thread!

    would there be any way to tell the difference between a 2013 Series 1A SPAD XIII Rickenbacker and a 2019 1B reprint of it when it's still in the package?

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    The original 2007 Nexus ones came in blue boxes.
    The 1st reprint by ARES came in the green/brown box with the hanging tab part of the box. This box has the 2012 date on it.
    The latest ARES reprint is in the green/brown box with the 2011/2018 date on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    The original 2007 Nexus ones came in blue boxes.
    The 1st reprint by ARES came in the green/brown box with the hanging tab part of the box. This box has the 2012 date on it.
    The latest ARES reprint is in the green/brown box with the 2011/2018 date on it.
    Great thank you! It looks also like there's some color differences between the Ares and Nexus 1st print for the Rickenbacker - is one more correct than the other?

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    Which is more correct? Hard to tell. I've seen many variations on Rickenbacker's plane. Take your pick.

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