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    Hi all,

    Just a quick question on the Immelmann turn.

    Is the below move legal? I am thinking not as the cards have the little "stall " icon instead of the forward arrow.

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    Ah, just found the answer in the FAQ.

    The answer is NO. Those little stall icons in the bottom right mean that the turn isn't a "straight".

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    If you played a straight as the third card in the example shown it would be a Split S William but for the Immelmann it is, as you know, straight / Immelmann / straight

    "He is wise who watches"

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    As far as I am aware the straight before, and after, the immelmann needs to be a full straight not the 'stall' straight.

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    For a quick reference sheet, see this file: WGF Special Manoeuvres - Aide Memoire

    I don't play with altitude, but I allow Split-S turns and Immelmann turns as desired by the pilot. As the Split-S uses a Stall card to start the about turn, it is quicker, or keeps the target closer in range. Both still require a full Straight to complete, unless the Acrobatic Ace Skill is used (Link: Ace Abilities and Optional Rules).

    The images on this post might help explain the maneuvers: Immelman Turns Question - Post #27
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Hmmm... I don't understand the split S. I thought the rules for the immelmann said it has to be a straight before and after but the split S starts with a stall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by william1134 View Post
    Hmmm... I don't understand the split S. I thought the rules for the immelmann said it has to be a straight before and after but the split S starts with a stall.
    The Split-S is actually a dive, with a half-turn, then a pull-out. When playing with altitude, you loose a level, or at least a climb counter.

    As I said above, I don't always play with altitude, but I allow people to choose the climbing Immelmann or the diving Split-S turns as the situation dictates.

    Look at the images showing the turns at the link I posted above: Immelman Turns Question - Post #27
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by william1134 View Post
    Hmmm... I don't understand the split S. I thought the rules for the immelmann said it has to be a straight before and after but the split S starts with a stall.
    It can be confusing William - if you treat what we call the Immelmann card as a multi purpose reversal card, part of, and not, the complete manoeuvre, it may become clearer.
    The Immelmann turn and Split S are three card manoeuvres with the 'Immelmann' reversal card at their core; the Immelmann goes upward the Split S goes downward, Zoe's illustrations on the link posted by Mike shows them off well.


    "He is wise who watches"

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    Here's another immelman question: if you play a straight, immelman, straight, can the next card be an immelman?

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    Yes
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