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    News just breaking that a Collings Foundation B-17 has crashed at Hartford's Bradley Airport. Please see story:

    https://www.courant.com/breaking-new...diu-story.html
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    At least two dozen emergency vehicles were at the crash site.

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    Here is CNN coverage of the crash -- all major networks have coverage on their sites.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/02/us/co...rnd/index.html

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    Just read this. Very sad.
    Prayers for those on board.

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    It was the B-17 "Nine-O-Nine." Each year of its tour it made a stop where I live in Colorado. When I'd hear the familiar sound of the Wright Cyclone Engines as it flew over our house I'd run outside with the kids and show them the plane, telling them about the history of the B-17, how thousands were built that helped win the war in WWII, and that only a few were left flying. I hoped that when it finally came to rest, that it would become a static display for generations to come and learn from. This is depressing news, and to know that there have been fatalities is heartbreaking. Praying for the families of those who were lost and for healing for those who were injured.

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    It visited the airport near me once, and I got to tour the inside of the B-17. Very sad to hear that it crashed.

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    Praying for the families of those who were lost and for healing for those who were injured.
    My thoughts exactly.

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    Very sad news. Bad enough to have lost a piece of history but more tragic in that lives were lost in the crash.

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    here is a pic of Nine-O-Nine I took 2 years ago They didn't fly that day. It is sad to know that people died in this crash.

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    Reporting is that there were 3 crew members and 10 passengers. Death toll now up to 5.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/201...dead/23825550/

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    I hope no one else dies...It is sad to see such a great plane crash.

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    may they all rest in peace,

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    That is a real tragedy - so very, very sad. Prayers for all involved and yes, lets pray there are no further fatalities. RIP those who died. A prayer and condolences for everyone else

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    Here is an update, now 7 fatalities so far. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...561969581.html

    It's very sad on so many levels. I just took my 18 month old daughter to see them a couple weeks ago in south eastern CT, when she had to stay home from daycare because she had a fever. She liked looking at the airplanes and saying "airplane" and liked to say "all done" after they landed and turned the engines off. That B-17 was loud when it landed and taxied over.
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    As of 1912, the report is that the death toll is 7, with at least three people in critical condition. This is truly a tragedy.

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    So very sad to hear people have died in this tragic accident.
    I read that some had survived but not sure of their condition.
    Prayers for those lost & their families.

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    Really saddened to hear about this tragedy.
    Like several others here, SWMBO and I toured that aircraft here in Oregon in 2005.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerodude85 View Post
    Here is an update, now 7 fatalities so far. https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/...561969581.html
    Pretty bad, sorry for them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aerodude85 View Post
    It's very sad on so many levels. I just took my 18 month old daughter to see them a couple weeks ago in south eastern CT, when she had to stay home from daycare because she had a fever. She liked looking at the airplanes and saying "airplane" and liked to say "all done" after they landed and turned the engines off. That B-17 was loud when it landed and taxied over.
    Looks like we have almost the same "family situation". I thought I am the only young dad here


    I wonder one thing: Witnesses reported there was a fail of engine No.4, but...these birds were able to land safely even with two or less, right? What is the point? A different (weaker?) engines assembled after war?

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    Very sad... Rest in peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    I wonder one thing: Witnesses reported there was a fail of engine No.4, but...these birds were able to land safely even with two or less, right? What is the point? A different (weaker?) engines assembled after war?
    Difficult to say; the FAA is investigating. The same plane got caught in a cross wing at Pittsburgh airport 9 years ago, and went over a embankment, so maybe the same issue.

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Here's a quick history of the plane:
    https://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...e-o-nine-b-17/

    And the wiki site:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine-O-Nine

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    How tragic.

    Here's hoping all the survivors make a full and speedy recovery.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    So sad in the fact that we have had far too many posts of this nature during my tenure on the Drome. My heart goes out to all who have suffered thus over the years.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    I toured this aircraft when it visited Port Angeles, WA. about three summers ago. Very sad news indeed.
    My condolences to the family and friends of those who were lost.

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    News reports of acts of heroism in this terrible crash that probably saved lives:

    https://www.courant.com/news/connect...c2a-story.html

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    Can't read in Europe, Bill. Would you be so kind and copy&paste the point? Thank you

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    Stories of devastating loss and heroism emerged from the B-17 bomber crash at Bradley International Airport
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    An East Granby woman watched as her husband’s “bucket-list” vintage airplane flight erupted into a fireball.

    Seconds later, an injured Simsbury volunteer firefighter and Air National Guardsman aboard the doomed aircraft donned his military-issued, flame retardant flight gloves and threw open an escape hatch for survivors.

    And a Winsted construction worker at the airport helped free workers from a burning building after the fiery crash.

    Stories of devastating loss, selflessness and heroism emerged after Wednesday’s fatal crash of a B-17 World War II-era bomber at Bradley International Airport.

    Amid the chaos and tragedy of the crash that killed seven people, bystanders and passengers alike sprang into action, likely saving the lives of the plane’s six survivors.

    State troopers who interviewed survivors said that employees at the airport ran to the burning plane to help passengers get out. A construction worker helped apply tourniquets to injured passengers, and a passenger pushed through the pain of broken bones to help others onboard escape the burning aircraft.

    While seven lives were lost, these acts of heroism kept others alive.

    Here are some of their stories:

    The Construction Worker
    Robert Bullock was back to work on a construction job at Bradley International Airport on Thursday, but the deadly crash was still very much on his mind.
    Bullock had been mixing concrete near the airport’s de-icing shed when he heard a massive boom. He looked up, and about 200 feet away, the plane and the front half of the canvas-covered shed were engulfed in flames.
    Bullock, with years of experience as a volunteer firefighter, said he instinctively knew what he had to do. He ran to make sure none of his coworkers were in two office trailers nearby.

    That’s when he heard a voice coming from inside the rear portion of the shed.

    “I heard someone hollering, ‘Help, help, I’m dying. Somebody help me. Get me out of here’ numerous times,” Bullock, of Winsted, recalled in an interview at the airport. “And I jumped the fence to attempt to get him out of the building that was on fire.”

    Bullock grabbed a pocketknife and started cutting into the canvas. Two workers were able to get out of the building “a little bit further from where I was cutting.”

    Bullock turned to leave when he noticed a man and a woman lying on the ground about 40 feet from the plane, “all bloodied and whatnot.”

    He stayed with them until medical personnel arrived on the scene and helped to apply a tourniquet. He said the man and woman had escaped the plane, but he didn’t know their story.

    “I just kept them talking so they didn’t pass out,” he said.

    The Firefighter
    When the plane crashed, 54-year-old James Traficante, a five-year member of the Simsbury Volunteer Fire Department and a chief master sergeant in the Connecticut Air National Guard, was able to open the plane’s hatch and help pull out a few passengers.

    A spokesman for the National Guard said Traficante had brought his military-issued, flame retardant flight gloves with him, which allowed him to handle the flame-scorched metal.
    Traficante was injured — sources said he suffered at least one broken arm and a broken collarbone in the crash — and was treated at Hartford Hospital. He was discharged later in the day, the Guard said.

    As an aircrew member, Traficante has training and experience in handling aircraft emergencies, the news release said.

    Traficante’s heroic act was honored by Gov. Ned Lamont on Friday during a speech at a labor convention at Foxwoods Resort Casino.

    “This guy’s arm was mangled, and he kicked out the door, and he pulled one or two folks out of there who wouldn’t otherwise be with us today,” Lamont said. “That’s where I saw that the Connecticut family is sticking together.”

    ‘This doesn’t bode well’:
    As the plane took off, family members exchanged final messages with the plane’s passengers.
    Robert Ridell texted his wife Debra: “This doesn’t bode well, the pilot shut off the engine and has left his seat,” as he waited for the B-17 to take off. She reassured him that crews were working on getting the engines working.

    By the time the flight took off, 40 minutes behind schedule, Ridell had posted a photo of the cockpit of the plane’s interior to Facebook.

    “I told him I loved him,” Debra Ridell said in an interview. “They started to taxi away, and everything appeared to be OK.”

    Debra Ridell said she watched as the plane skirted around from the south to approach the runway.
    A few seconds later I heard a very loud noise and saw a fireball and smoke,” she said. “I couldn’t believe it had crashed.”
    is wedding band was found in the wreckage — a small consolation for his grieving family, said Jessica Darling, his stepdaughter.

    Rob Ridell loved history, his wife said.

    For their honeymoon, the Riddells traveled to Hawaii so Rob could visit Pearl Harbor, his wife said. For a 60th birthday celebration, they planned a trip to Normandy, so that Rob could view the beaches where Allied soldiers stormed ashore on D-Day to begin to wrest control of Europe from the Nazis.

    The trip aboard the B-17 was on his bucket list, and Debra Riddell was at Bradley to capture video of the special experience.
    “This was something he really wanted to do,” she said.

    Kathleen McWilliams can be reached at kmcwilliams@courant.com.

    Courant reporters Kenneth R. Gosselin, David Owens, and Christopher Keating contributed to this story.
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Thanks Karl, I just saw this request -- I appreciate your doing this.
    B.

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    Thank you for posting the stories, as I am not able to read the article.

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    NTSB Releases Preliminary Crash Report of B-17:

    https://www.wfsb.com/news/ntsb-relea...224e09822.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by John n Colorado View Post
    NTSB Releases Preliminary Crash Report of B-17:

    https://www.wfsb.com/news/ntsb-relea...224e09822.html
    This link does not work in the UK.

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    This link does not work in the UK.
    Worked fine here in OZ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    This link does not work in the UK.
    Just search for it - found this on Youtube Reg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiNqtU4DjOE

    "He is wise who watches"

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    here's a link to the PDF of the report:
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    here's a link to the PDF of the report:
    Thanks Karl, was able to read this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Just search for it - found this on Youtube Reg
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiNqtU4DjOE
    Thanks Dave, much appreciated.

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    Updated news from 26-MAR-202. It's not good for the Collin's Foundation
    https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/art.../#.XpcFSchKiUk

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Wow, sad but maintenance is a unforgiving mistress. Sad for all of us.

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    Sadly that is what can & usually does happen when maintenance is slap dash or overlooked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Updated news from 26-MAR-202. It's not good for the Collin's Foundation
    https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/art.../#.XpcFSchKiUk

    Karl
    I remember that day. I had flown on the Nine O' Nine many years before. Very sad.

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    Here is a pic of the Nine O' Nine in a hanger in Colorado Springs. They pulled her in to avoid a nasty approaching storm that had been dumping large hail. As I was taking the pictures under the sodium lights... there was a man muttering something I couldn't quite make out. I engaged in conversation with him and he was the pilot of the B-24, Dragon and His Tail, and he was not happy his bird had been left outside to chance it out. There was only room for one their warbirds and they chose the B-17. I remember him making the statement that his B-24 was the only flying example in the world at the time. He was clearly distraught as the sky looked an evil greenish color. Fortunately, no hail at the site and I flew on the Nine O' Nine the next day.Click image for larger version. 

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    it sounds like the collings foundation has a real culture of negligence when it comes to maintenance. i guess this was known by those "in the know". sad. it almost makes me wish theyd ground warbirds. as much as i love them, its painful to see more and more of these rare birds lost year after year.

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    It really saddens me to hear of this tragic event. My heart goes out to those families and friends as they greave for their loss.



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