A 3 gun Spad VII used by Rene Montrion of SPA 48.
.He was shot down and KIA by a Fokker D.VII during a anti-balloon mission on 28 June 1918.
Sorry guys, I wanted this to go to historical discussions.
A three gun Spad VII
A 3 gun Spad VII used by Rene Montrion of SPA 48.
.He was shot down and KIA by a Fokker D.VII during a anti-balloon mission on 28 June 1918.
Sorry guys, I wanted this to go to historical discussions.
Last edited by john snelling; 10-01-2019 at 07:52.
Now you've done it John, everyone will want one ! Be quite handy against Tripods I would think.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Hmm, I picked up a spare SPAD at Doncaster...…..
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Don't tell Generale d'L'Air 'edebee!
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A great plane to counter Chris' super Bristol! A new project for a Shapeways plane I have that is already primed. SPA48, here we go!
Last edited by Teaticket; 10-02-2019 at 10:34.
Have to wonder the effect of 2 more MGs; those look like Mle 1914 Hotchkiss machine guns, so 100 pounds plus ammo for the 2 of them.
Maybe take it down to a J deck?
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
It was unable to dogfight.Originally Posted by Jager
I ran into that a couple times searching too, but it wasn't explained.
Some modern commentators said, without documentation, that it was for ground attack.
While i have not studied French aircraft operations in WW1, I cant' recall mentions of them using deliberate ground attack planes, like the British and Germans did.
Still, if people make them, there needs to be rules fort hem
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I read that also (not true). But he was shot down during an anti-balloon mission by a Fokker D.VII flown by Carlos Meyer Baldo also known as Karl Meyer of Jasta 4. There is also a source that wrote Carlos shot down a Spad XIII on that date which is not true. There is a lot of information out there that is not true, just speculation that gets repeated over and over.I ran into that a couple times searching too, but it wasn't explained.
Some modern commentators said, without documentation, that it was for ground attack.
While i have not studied French aircraft operations in WW1, I cant' recall mentions of them using deliberate ground attack planes, like the British and Germans did.
Still, if people make them, there needs to be rules fort hem
Karl.
Very true.
Wiki indicates that Escadrille SPA.48 ended thew war using SPAD.VIIs, which seems a bit odd.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
The Salmson 4 was a purpose-built ground-attack variant of the Salmson 2, but it came out very late in the war. The cannon-armed Voisins were mostly used for ground-attack.I ran into that a couple times searching too, but it wasn't explained.
Some modern commentators said, without documentation, that it was for ground attack.
While i have not studied French aircraft operations in WW1, I cant' recall mentions of them using deliberate ground attack planes, like the British and Germans did.
Still, if people make them, there needs to be rules fort hem
Karl
I hadn't heard of the Salmson 4 before. From what I've read, the cannon Viosins were used against rear area targets, specifically, railroads.
While that is ground attack, I was thinking more frontline work; trench strafing and artillery positions.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
'K' deck? Same speed as the 'J', but minus two sideslips and the Immel?
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Interesting indeed, anyway!
well, that couldve been the reason it crashed. just sayin.
Interesting.
Always something to discover...
Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!
What would be the damage for the Spad?
Same as a normal SPAD VII. Guns would be A+B
Certainly a possible deck.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
The RFC tried putting a Lewis on the SPAD VII and thought it degraded the performance such that it wasn't worth the addition so cranking the performance down would be right - I'd go with a V deck rather than a J or K - that way it could still over dive. If you wanted to really screw it down because it has two extra guns give it a G deck - slower still & less stable with a steep sideslip, mess with the Max Alt & double the climb rate too.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
It can overdive anyway on the J or K deck.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
On the J deck yes, not on the K deck. Models without an Immelmann cannot overdive. V deck has fewer sideslips so slightly less manoeuvrable than the J.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Where does it say this?
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Advanced Rules Overdive section of RAP Tim - the last sentence on p15.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
In the words of Chris Hedeby.
"Never knowingly undergunned"
I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
Coming down is the hardest thing
What, us?Now you've done it John, everyone will want one !
And with DYM Mission 10 all set up and ready to go Dave, do you think we might build in an experimental DH2 with three MGs - No! OK, how about just two
You are going where Uncle won't appreciate! You're a pilot, not an engineer. Get in your plane and just fly.What, us?
And with DYM Mission 10 all set up and ready to go Dave, do you think we might build in an experimental DH2 with three MGs - No! OK, how about just two
they didn't like it when pilots jammed the single MG forward on the DH-2s;You are going where Uncle won't appreciate! You're a pilot, not an engineer. Get in your plane and just fly.
"Why did you do that? Flexible MGs are better!"
"You try flying an unstable plane with one hand, aim a lewis gun with the other, while chasing a Boche plane around the sky!"
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Sounds like a candidate for a XA deck to me
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
If you want a plane with extra wing guns, you could always try a Sopwith Dolphin.
One interesting fact about Carlos Meyer Baldo is that he was a Venezuelan, who volunteered to serve in the German forces.
My book is like your Tim but this was added to later printings. See the ARES FAQ/errata HERE.
Thanks Peter!
I'll have to find a reprinted RAP Rulebook from somewhere.
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
I have printed out the errata and have it in my book.
I do have a second back up copy I haven't looked at. I hope it's the newer version. Time to look!
Whoo hoo! My second copy is a 2014 printing with updated errata. Time to retire my original rule book.
At least we're all on the same page now !
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Yeah, I found a while back that 2 of my 3 are 2012.
It might have been this issue that brought it to light.
I downloaded the errata and inserted as Peter has done.
I like to have two copies at the gaming table (for the very rare times when I have an opponent) and one by my laptop.
Found this whilst trawling about - Dieudonne Costes' three gun SPAD 7 on the Balkan front mounting Lewis guns on the wings. Doesn't say if or what he used it for but none of his 8 kills are balloons, though he shot one up on the ground - looking at Montrion's SPAD in the original photo that too may be also be fitted with Lewis guns but the ammo pan's have been removed to make them safe.
Sapiens qui vigilat... "He is wise who watches"
Well that would almost halve the extra weight.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
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