So I see that the Dornier 17 and Ju 88 are now listed on the Ares website under squadron packs. Anyone have any idea when they will be available in retail stores in North America?
So I see that the Dornier 17 and Ju 88 are now listed on the Ares website under squadron packs. Anyone have any idea when they will be available in retail stores in North America?
House odds are for a 1st quarter of 2020 release.
karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
I’m not sure if it’s “interesting” or concerning that the Blenheim and Sparviero aren’t listed along with the German birds....
I posted something about this awhile back. The photos of one of the planes didn't look so good. I think it was the night fighter version of the Ju 88.
They are listed now both under Squadron Packs and under Special Packs with the other medium and heavy bombers.
Squadron Packs : http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-wi...squadron-packs
Special Packs : http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-wi...-special-packs
Just check on the Ares Upcoming part : https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
They will be released in an other Serie.
Actually it is the night fighter version of the Do.17, the Z-10 model.
Well, my pocketbook thanks having these birds come in two different series. However, I have to question the pertainance of such a decision, as it would be my opinion that the Ju-88 and Do.17 will be the more popular planes. They will be used to “attack” Britain and can be intercepted by the existing Hurricanes and Spitfires and be escorted by 109s, and Fockewolfes (although Inwould prefer the Fw-190a to the Dora that was released) and of course we have He-111s and Ju-87 Stukas to mix in as well.
That being said, the Blenheim and Sparviero are much more niche aircraft for what we have currently for WGS. Blenheims were abundant enough to justify inclusion in the game but not really a household name. Not sure what they will add to the game beyond additional choices, I suppose. The Sparviero is a personal favorite and one that I can’t wait to add to my collection. However, I find the aircraft pairing odd. I would have preferred it come out with a Stringbag. Then we could have even more Med based fun. How Nexus/Ares have overlooked the Folgore for release for so long is beyond me? I’m sure it has to do with the precieved lack of interest in Italian aircraft....The problem has been that the Italians haven’t gotten enough aircraft to make Med scenarios plausible. As the game shifts to the Pacific, I do hope we eventually see a release or two dedicated to the Med area of operations at some point. It wouldn’t take much to flesh out....but I digress.
So, with the context now in place.....the concern remains veiled. In short, Ares needs sales of current product to develop, produce, and bring additional product to market. I personally don’t know if the 2 aircraft in question will generate enough interest. Many collectors buy what’s out and available. I certainly hope so, and will do my part to buy at least 2 of each variant, maybe more depending on variants and paint schemes.
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I have acquired Zvezda models for the Ju.88 and the Blenheim, but haven't managed to get them put together. I was hoping not to have to paint models when Ares announced they were putting out the Battle of Britain bombers.
Having seen the pictures of the camouflage applicques on the upcoming Ares models, I am underwhelmed. IMHO, the bombers are worse than the Crappycanes for fit and finish, and don't meet the quality level of previous releases of Wings planes. They are not 'ready out-of-the-box', but need some paint to properly finish them.
Others can post pictures when they are released, and I might change my mind. I hope they are better than the proof models in the publicity photos.
What am I seeing:
Do.17:
Partial camo appliques, like previous plane releases, so not complete coverage. Leading and trailing wing edges don't look too bad?
This is actually good, but if they painted the canopy formers, could they not have painted the MGs? Small fix with a brush, but then again, more painting.
Ares putting out a Night Bomber lets them get away with a single color scheme, and dodge the bad camo applique issue entirely. However, they used a common canopy:
This is an easy knife fix, though.
The absence of Night Fighting rules is a whole other issue, making this bomber pretty much useless, IMHO.
Ju.88:
The camo appliques on the Ju.88 are as bad as the Crappycane. The leading and trailing edges (Both the wings and horizontal stabs) look bad to me in this photo:
Ares can sort-of dodge the issue here, as the black undercoat doesn't have the same contrast problem as the day color scheme. It is still not good coverage:
To what am I comparing the above:
Ares has produced this:
Note: I have three of these for a full Kette, and I wanted three of each of the above day bombers for the same. Darn!
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Hopefully, the MGs get some paint. I am use to touching up wings edges at this point, as that issue drives me nuts. That seems to be a reoccurring issue in the latest issues. Anyone have insight on why the wing leading edges have this issue now? Cheaper to paint in less tight tolerances? O
My understanding is that Ares has now gone to an applique process, not paint for camouflage/markings. So, the He.111 was actually painted, whereas all the newer releases (Bf.109s, Spitfires, Hurricanes, etc...) now have a basecoat (usually the underside color), and appliques for the top. If the appliques are not properly sized (as I think happened with the Crappicanes), there is a lot of basecoat showing on the upper surfaces.
This process was supposed to be much cheaper for producing planes. I suppose not having to put a model through several different painting procedures for each color of paint would be much cheaper in labor, as well as time. Unfortunatey, the retail cost of planes in Canada hasn't gone down (now $22+), but more than doubled since Wings of War was selling planes (was around $9-ish). This is part of my frustration with buying new releases. I'd pay (and have) $25 for Wings of War Bf.109s, but I won't pay $20+ for planes I have to paint to make look as good.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
They had to pick one color. If they picked a color from the top camo, then they would need to use appliques on the underside, costing more time and money.
On the Bf.109, the underside color went up over half of the fuselage, which made the applique color scheme work really well on that plane. It is one of the few that will be able to take advantage of the new method of production, IMHO.
Possible Luftwaffe color scheme:
Ares Bf.109:
One color basecoat works for this. Not so much for other planes...
Note: The publicity image in this case is better than the Crappycanes I've seen in person. The wing decals were at least 20% too small, and the basecoat was very visible all around the upper wings. The tail was much worse than this image, as well.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Gack! Going through the mental gymnastics on doing up alternate planes, I may have to eat my words. I will need the stands and maneuver decks for the planes, whether I paint up Zvezda models or not.
It might be easier to paint a bit of an Ares plane, being that I will get all the stuff I need to put them on the table, without extra expense and work. There aren't any better Wings of War versions to be had.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
I've had the 'crappycanes' (as you call them), and the rest, since 2016 and have yet to touch up the planes.
With the Fire from the Sky campaign being resurrected, I guess I had better set up an assembly line in the near future and get 'em done.
I was about to run down on the night versions (why producing night versions where there are no night fighting rules?!), but now I see they at least fit the bill, however after seeing the day versions I must wait a while to find the right words to express my discomfort and disappointment.
All in all, we will have Lancasters (night, of course) and Dorniers (night as well) to chase them.
I tried a game of Lancaster and a black Bf 110 chasing it in vain and it was a dreadful experience not to be repeated ever again.
Won't try this kind of "fun" with the Dornier, no way, not my cup of tea.
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"We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."
In general I have to say, that the quality is the same level like the published BoB starter set.
Nothing you can't upgrade with a little bit of paint.
Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!
I was wondering/hoping that the new Ju88 and Do17 bombers would be added to the WW2 points value chart. We use the chart regularly for our tournaments and often just for casual games.
Not pessimistic, just experienced
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
You can preorder the bombers at the Aerodrome Store now.
https://www.aerodromeaccessories.com...y/world-war-ii
Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!
I ordered them separately.
So the Vipers will be there before the bombers show up.
Twice shipping cost, but Aerodrome Acessoires has a great service and you get the stuff in time.
...by the way I ordered one of each kind.
Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!
The release date has been pushed forward into January on the Ares website. https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
I see they are also re-releasing bags of bomber pegs in January as well. Dare we hope that we will see bags of fighter pegs soon?
Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!
Bit of recovery time post-Christmas...………..
Might still be able to get 'em in time for my Birthday!
I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!
Well at least we might have them in time for the 80th Anniversary of the Battle of Britain next year. It would be nice if the Blenheims were available by then also.
The release date for the Dorniers, Ju.88's and large bomber pegs is now February 2020 on the Ares website.
Make that February 2020. https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
Ah, true 20-20 vision! May it be so . . .
Just posted on the Wings of Glory Facebook page:
Wings of Glory Miniature Game
They are coming! Finally the Dornier Do.17 and Junkers Ju.88 are shipping from the factory and shall land on American soil at the end of February!
The Battle of Britain will never be the same with these new bombers - Preorder them at your favorite local or online store!
https://www.facebook.com/WingsOfGloryMiniatureGame/
That is good news. Thank you, Lance.
Still conflicted on these, need the cards (if I ever play them-chances nill) have AIM and scratch versions already, would need to repaint them . . . oh and $100. Hmmm . . . yet they will likely sell out.
Is this correct?
Day bombers:
- Dornier Do.17-Z
- Junkers Ju.88 A-1
Night bombers:
- Dornier Do.17-Z-10
- Junkers Ju.88 A-4
Considering that there are no official "night rules" I think that for a beginner it is worth getting just the day bombers.
Your flaw is trying to apply logic to a game. I don't 'need' planes without appropriate rules accompanying them, but I already have Bf.110s and Beaufighters, that were used for night-fighting. I just fly them in 'day' missions anyway.
One of these days, there my be official rules. Until then, we can house-rule something.
And if you are lucky enough to have three people with the same planes, you could set up a double-blind scenario, where a moderator plays on a separate table, to track the maneuvers of two opponents flying blind on their own tables (out of sight of the other two tables). When somebody starts shoting, every one moves to the target table, until the fires and radar don't allow contact, and then it is back to separate tables.
That's just me being complicated, though.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Ok, I am confused on the fate of the Sparvieros and Blenheims. Are they out right canceled? Delayed? Coming in a release later this year? What has officially been said, I missed it somehow.
No information.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Any updates on the release date for the Dornier and Junkers?
Are these stateside yet? Ship was due to arrive about now, but haven’t heard anything, nor seen an official release date. I would like to get these in my hanger ASAP. Goings on in the world are making me nervous.
Why are there 2 threads about the same subjects ? Couldn’t they be mixed in the same one by an administrator ?
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...-the-Way/page5
The release information has already been published in the other thread :
Dornier Do.17 and Junkers Ju.88 are now scheduled for March 2020 on Ares Upcoming Products page.
https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
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We have known for awhile now that the container was scheduled to land stateside in the last week or days of February, with a release date for March. I am seeking confirmation of the arrival of the container in the USA and a specific release date that’s all. Sometimes retailers know before Ares posts the date on their webpage. Thank you, for answering and sorry I wasn’t clearer with my question. The reason I am concerned is with the outbreak of Corona virus I am interested to know if the container left China on time, if at all. I am about to put my preorder in with Aerodrome and am trying to gauge if March is still the most likely release period and whether or not to keep a game we have scheduled for the end of March using the new bombers in a BOB scenario or if I should plan something else instead.
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