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    Hello
    Is there any card for the Kawanishi N1K-J Shiden "Georges"?
    And if not, which deck do you think I can use? the same of the Kawasaki Ki-61 Hien ( F)?
    Thank you

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    Fox;
    I have the George using a Q deck (Ki-84 Hayate/Frank), with guns at C-C-C-C/C-C Damage 17 Ceiling 14 and Climb 2.

    I don't know of anyone who has done a George card, though.

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Thank you Karl
    Just have to find a Q deck now

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    Is there a big difference in the N1K1-J and/or the N1K2-J?

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Difference in the overhead drawings:

    N1K1:
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    Note: The drawing above is actually the N1K1-J, with two 7.7mm MGs and two 20mm cannons. The N1K1-Ja was armed with four 20mm cannons. I couldn't find frawings of the 'Ja' version.

    N1K2:
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    Note: This plane was armed with four 20mm cannons.

    PS: Most of these aircraft had the same 1,990 hp Homare 21 engines?
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 08-04-2019 at 10:38.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    thank you for the card!
    Seems that the N1K2 was faster and the big problem of the N1K1 was the landing gear ( so not important with our game)
    You put an H deck on it , is it more acurate ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fox View Post
    thank you for the card!
    Seems that the N1K2 was faster and the big problem of the N1K1 was the landing gear ( so not important with our game)
    You put an H deck on it , is it more acurate ?
    Fox,
    The N1K1-Ja may have had roll-rate issues, because, now that I really look at the 3-View images, there are underwing gun pods for the extra two 20mm cannons. Also, depending on which version, it may have had a 1330 hp engine? I don't know how the Unofficial Stats Committee do their magic, but the card above was OK'ed for that version of plane.

    The N1K2-J may have different stats, with all the 20mm cannons incorporated into the wings, and therefore less drag, as well as the 1990 hp engine. If the plane was cleaned up for drag, it could have a significant change in speed.

    Looking at the Bf-109K, and the 20mm wing pods, that plane had issues that earlier versions didn't have, and I'm going to suggest the N1K1 would have similar issues. Things as subtle as roll-rate are hard to factor in this game, using two dimensional cards. Sideslips are sometimes the only difference in some maneuver decks, in number, speed and distance. That could be the reason for the "H" deck, as well as the speed.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Both versions N1K1 and N1K2 had a similar maximum speed : 584 and 594 km/h.
    Deck Q is used for Nakajima Ki.84 whose maximum speed was 630 km/h.
    Deck F is used for Kawasaki Ki.61 whose maximum speed was 592 km/h.

    So, concerning the speed, deck Q is too fast for the Kawanishi Shiden.
    Deck F should be more accurate for both Kawanishi N1K1 and N1K2 Shiden.
    Last edited by monse; 08-05-2019 at 01:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    Both versions N1K1 and N1K2 had a similar maximum speed : 584 and 594 km/h.
    Deck Q is used for Nakajima Ki.84 whose maximum speed was 630 km/h.
    Deck F is used for Kawasaki Ki.61 whose maximum speed was 592 km/h.

    So, concerning the speed, deck F should be more accurate for Kawanishi N1K1 and N1K2.
    The H Deck (P-40 Warhawk) is for planes that fly 552 to 598 kph fast, and 448 to 494 kph slow. So, either of the N1K1 or N1K2 should be OK for speed with the H Deck. Looking at the maneuvers available for the H Deck, and considering that the Warhawk was able to take higher Gs in turns, the limited sideslips and turns doesn't appear to be accurate for the plane. Don't know about the Shidens.

    PS: The F and H Decks are for the same speed, just the maneuvers are different.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Tank you guys for the help.I look for further informations

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    Both versions N1K1 and N1K2 had a similar maximum speed : 584 and 594 km/h.
    Deck Q is used for Nakajima Ki.84 whose maximum speed was 630 km/h.
    Deck F is used for Kawasaki Ki.61 whose maximum speed was 592 km/h.

    So, concerning the speed, deck Q is too fast for the Kawanishi Shiden.
    Deck F should be more accurate for both Kawanishi N1K1 and N1K2 Shiden.
    Monse; did you look at the sea level speed? The wiki entry has speed for the N1K2 as 656 km/h, 408 mph at 6,096 m (20,000 ft).
    I wasn't aware of any serious performance differences between the K1 and K2 models, at least at the level of WGS.

    Now, the speed might have been from USAAF testing post war, with 100+ octane gas, while the late war Japanese supplies were 85 at best.
    I only recently became aware of this discrepancy, and have not figured out how to address it yet.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus



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