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Thread: Any new rule from the new S.E.5a?

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    Default Any new rule from the new S.E.5a?

    There was an old rule for the S.E.5a to shoot upwards (the foster mount trick used by Ball and some others). This isn't the same as the "higher machine gun" rule for the Nieuports, which mostly had less sophisticated mounts and fired forward, or the 1 1/2 Strutter's fixed upwards guns (for zeppelin hunting).

    Have the re-released S.E.5(a) models come with a rule card for that?

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    We will be unable to answer that question until the new models come out in August, Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrinku View Post
    There was an old rule for the S.E.5a to shoot upwards (the foster mount trick used by Ball and some others). This isn't the same as the "higher machine gun" rule for the Nieuports, which mostly had less sophisticated mounts and fired forward, or the 1 1/2 Strutter's fixed upwards guns (for zeppelin hunting). Have the re-released S.E.5(a) models come with a rule card for that?
    Never heard of an official rule to shoot upwards for the SE5a other than the Higher MG rule being applied to it - it would be the same rule used as the Foster mounting was developed in early 1916 and fitted to the British Nieuports at least; though the 'less sophisticated' mountings in use elsewhere were also capable of being fired upwards. The ability to tilt/tip the guns and fire upwards was the by-product of developments to mountings to make reloading and clearing jams easier by getting the breech mechanism closer to the pilot when he needed to perform those functions.
    I expect the SE's will have the Higher Machine Gun cards.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    I was able to get the new SE5a (Dallas) at the Ares booth at Gen Con. I can confirm that they contain the Higher MG cards for the plane

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    So there we are, thanks John. Now to retro fit my SE5 Squadron! Always something to do . . . should have acquired some administrative elves when I had the chance . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saylug View Post
    I was able to get the new SE5a (Dallas) at the Ares booth at Gen Con. I can confirm that they contain the Higher MG cards for the plane
    Thanks John - were they the only cards to come with it ? No ace abilities or somesuch ?

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Thanks John - were they the only cards to come with it ? No ace abilities or somesuch ?
    Quiet a few cards came with Dallas. I remember one where he can look at the cards of allied aircraft before planning, acrobatic pilot & bullet checker. I think

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    Thanks John, I will look out for them and see if there is anything new for the skills list.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    an off topic question, is there any difference in performance between the McCudden s.e.5a and the other two models

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    Quote Originally Posted by the black devil View Post
    an off topic question, is there any difference in performance between the McCudden s.e.5a and the other two models
    I would have to guess not (without seeing the products themselves yet): but the McCudden SE 5a is in fact, an SE 5a; the "other two models" are the Dallas SE 5a, and the Bishop SE 5-not a 5a. There is definitely a difference in performance with the Bishop, and earlier inquires stated that yes, this is reflected in the maneuver decks.

    ...or did you in fact, mean to type "Bishop" instead of "McCudden" in your original querry?

    ETA: I found the thread here: https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...ht=Bishop+SE.5 ; the SE 5 uses the modified Fr maneuver deck.
    Last edited by zenlizard; 08-21-2019 at 15:32.

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    The new Fr deck should look something like this to reflect its faster cousin the N deck:
    Deck Fr (22) – Fast speed - 4.7cm - (arrow is 80% of the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°) - steep
    1 hard left turn (90°) - steep
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    2 right sideslip
    2 left sideslip
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The new Fr deck should look something like this to reflect its faster cousin the N deck:
    Deck Fr (22) – Fast speed - 4.7cm - (arrow is 80% of the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°) - steep
    1 hard left turn (90°) - steep
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    2 right sideslip
    2 left sideslip
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive
    Is this your educated guess, or it is true deck composition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The new Fr deck should look something like this to reflect its faster cousin the N deck:
    Deck Fr (22) – Fast speed - 4.7cm - (arrow is 80% of the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°) - steep
    1 hard left turn (90°) - steep
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    2 right sideslip
    2 left sideslip
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive
    How is this different from the standard "F" maneuver deck?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    At that point it was speculation Nemanya.

    Deck F (22) – Fast speed - 4.7cm - (arrow is 80% of the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°)
    1 hard left turn (90°)
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    2 right sideslip
    2 left sideslip
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive

    Deck Fr (22) – Fast speed - 4.7cm - (arrow is 80% of the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°) - steep
    1 hard left turn (90°) - steep
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    1 right sideslip
    1 left sideslip
    1 right sideslip - steep
    1 left sideslip - steep
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive


    I'll let you chaps work it out....

    Deck N (22) – Very Fast speed - 6.0cm - (arrow as long as the card)
    3 straight
    1 hard right turn (90°) - steep
    1 hard left turn (90°) - steep
    3 right turn
    3 left turn
    2 stall - steep
    1 Immelmann !
    2 right sideslip
    2 left sideslip
    1 broad right sideslip - steep
    1 broad left sideslip - steep
    1 climb
    1 dive
    Last edited by flash; 01-04-2020 at 04:07. Reason: N deck added for completeness

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    How is this different from the standard "F" maneuver deck?
    Hi Mike - Happy New Year to you!

    In the new 'Fr' deck, the 90 deg. turn each way is a steep manoeuvre, and one regular "narrow" sideslip each way is also a steep.
    That's a LOT of steeps - don't get wounded while flying this beast!

    In the 'F' deck, the 90 deg. turns and all 4 regular "narrow" sideslips are non-steep.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Dave,

    Thanks a lot

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    I missed the 'steep' designations. That will make a difference.

    So, that's the difference +50 hp in engine power can make. SE5 had 150 hp engine, SE5a had 200 hp.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Not just +50 hp, but +33% of initial engine strength also. And that's a lot, indeed.



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