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Thread: Cylon Heavy Raiders and Raptors, pics and prices

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    Ares just announced to us retailers the details about the new Cylon Heavy Raiders and Raptors. I'll start with some pics first:

    Cylon Heavy Raiders




    Raptors






    These are set for release in August of this year and the Raptor retails for $16.90 and the Heavy Raider for $24.90. I have them up for pre-order on the AA store for $12 and $18 respectively.

    I personally think that Assault Raptor looks pretty sweet!

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    Had an oportunity to play BSG at Prague last week flying a paper Raptor and they are nifty and fun to fly.


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Cool! I assume the raptor stats are based on different configurations or something?

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    Awesome!

    Will be ordering soon...............

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    I flew the Heavy Raider in Prague and, unsurprisingly, it is a boat. Only a straight Overboost, and limited maneuverability. I don't like the G ratings for some of the maneuvers on the Raider, I dislike the G ratings on the Heavy Raider even more. But, they make sense.

    The massed cannon on the front deal two chits pre hit, with extra chit draws only happening if both chits have pluses. Must roll '8' to hit.

    It can take lots of damage at 20, IIRC, and that might change on publishing. And along with the (lack of) maneuverability, the playtest had the Acceleration at a grand total of '2'.

    The game in Prague had the Mk I Raider, the Mk II Raider, and a Heavy Raider pitted against two versions of Raptor, and a few Mk VII Viper. Again, if memory serves me.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Well, there was also Tim flying a Blackbird. But since it was invisible most of the time, it fits that it was not noticed by you.

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    Pictures of the battle here (in several posts):

    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...l=1#post500648

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Well, there was also Tim flying a Blackbird. But since it was invisible most of the time, it fits that it was not noticed by you.



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    Did the games in Prague include using missiles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Did the games in Prague include using missiles?
    No, not this time around.

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    Think I'll start this series with a heavy raider veteran & Boomer.

    Unfortunately no Number Six for a heavy raider pilot card.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    ...

    Unfortunately no Number Six for a heavy raider pilot card.
    That can be fixed. I'm a few hours away from my Graphic Studio, but soon...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Sweet looking. I wonder if Boomers will have all of the cards that the SAR/ECM has? Please say it is so....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Number Six was not a pilot.
    A Number 6 could have been. Just cause one wasn't shown on the program, doesn't mean we can't have one. And it isn't 'historical' anyway.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Six & Frak & Barrel Rolls!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Number Six was not a pilot.
    Have a look at the series Colonials and deserted Cylons form a combined task force. (season 4)

    They have Boomer pilots and Number 6 pilots.
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    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Think I'll start this series with a heavy raider veteran & Boomer.

    Unfortunately no Number Six for a heavy raider pilot card.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    That can be fixed. I'm a few hours away from my Graphic Studio, but soon...
    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Number Six was not a pilot.
    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    A Number 6 could have been. Just cause one wasn't shown on the program, doesn't mean we can't have one. And it isn't 'historical' anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Have a look at the series Colonials and deserted Cylons form a combined task force. (season 4)

    They have Boomer pilots and Number 6 pilots.

    My Heavy Raider pilot:

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    Looking for suggestions on Talents and Flaws. -See below updated version.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-20-2019 at 00:16.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Looking for suggestions on Talents and Flaws.
    Remember that kids could read this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Remember that kids could read this thread.
    OK. I wasn't looking for bad stuff, but already published Talents and Flaws.

    I suppose this request could have gone sideways, considering the TV series.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Ok, I was just trying to be fun. Actually our first releases are more concentrated on the start of the Series, then going up with seasons. Vessels and pilots will later follow, with Mk.VII and stealth fighters and such.

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    How about we try this:

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    [Edit: I messed up the "To Hit Modifier" text colour. Fixed]
    [Edit: Spelling corrected. Version 3]
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 06-12-2019 at 20:48.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Great design, Mike.

    Need to download this with your shortcut instructions.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Fixed a misprint. Editted above.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Skills sound great. Only note: Towing has been designed on purpose to allow Starbuck to push Apollo's wrecked and motionless Viper to the Galactica, as seen on an episode of the Reimagined series. This does not prevet to give the same skills to others, but that was the reason behind it and its main purpose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Skills sound great. Only note: Towing has been designed on purpose to allow Starbuck to push Apollo's wrecked and motionless Viper to the Galactica, as seen on an episode of the Reimagined series. This does not prevet to give the same skills to others, but that was the reason behind it and its main purpose.
    In the Season 4 episode, "The Hub", Cylon Heavy Raiders tow Vipers to ambush the Resurection Hub. So, I used a Youtube video to capture the Number Six images, and to write up the pilot fluff. I thought "Towing" would fit with that. I also ended up putting six Talents, instead of five, without a Flaw. But, Towing isn't really usable in most scenarios, so I hope it can slip past the editors. Oh! And the Level 5 AI Cylon Pilot Card (+2 to Hit) had six Talents but no Flaw, too.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    True, Towing is of rare use. Ok. We imagined it more like an emergency towing started all of a sudden in the middle of a battle, needing a lot of skill and a bit of craziness - hence my note. But you are right, that's good also for the episode you quote.

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    Getting decent line drawings of a Raptor was very difficult, but perserverance...

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    [Edit: Corrected Stats and double-sided the card]
    [Edit: Corrected Stats again.]

    I didn't fly the Raptor, so I don't remember the stats. My guess at the Attack and Acceleration, with no recollection of the Structure.

    I also went with a Colonial gradient on the FTL box, rather than the Gold-Red on the Cylon cards.

    PS: Did I mention that "Acceleration 2" is crippling when trying to maneuver in this game? It was like trying to run with buckets on my feet, as a Heavy Raider pilot.
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    And if I'm on a roll producing BSG cards, I should produce a Blackbird card, too.

    This one was tough, because there were no line drawings for this ship. So, I drew one, in desperation. I will have to thicken the lines to get them to display better, but that can wait until the stats are confirmed.

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    Any Prague pilots remember the stats?

    [Edit: Thanks for the stats confirmation, and now complete with a card back]
    [Re-Edit: Redid, with the Yellow trim and boxes, and added FTL capability]
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    It was supposed to have missiles as its only armament, but since the missile rules were not ready, Andrea replaced this armament with a gun "8", just as you have it here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    I didn't fly the Raptor, so I don't remember the stats. My guess at the Attack and Acceleration, with no recollection of the Structure.
    Here you go, Mike....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Here you go, Mike....................

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    Many thanks Tim. Fixed the Raptor card above. Not sure what to do with the dual firing arc on the second Raptor. We'll have to see what Ares does to the 'official' card.

    I can't find a decent image of the Blackbird in flight. Must be that 'stealth' mode.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Thank you for producing all those cards, Mike, and also thank you to all those supplying data about the new ships.

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    Sorry if I could not supply timely data, I was travelling and often offline. But you are very well organized without me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    It was supposed to have missiles as its only armament, but since the missile rules were not ready, Andrea replaced this armament with a gun "8", just as you have it here.

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    Thanks for the confirmation, Tim. My original numbers were a guess.

    Card above now redone, with a back. Finding a decent image of the Blackbird in flight was futile, even using BSG videos (I finally used a model image).
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    How does stealth work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MajorAlanYoung View Post
    How does stealth work?
    As played in Prague, the Blackbird had to be a ruler away from any enemy ship (24cms). If so, at the beginning of the turn, the pilot announces he is going stealth, and plots moves as usual. However, the ship on the table is replaced by a stand template. The number of moves is tracked, and the pilot plans each subsequent move, writing down the cards used, if necessary. No shooting or actions are allowed by either the Blackbird, nor actions against the Blackbird.

    When the pilot wishes, in any subsequent turn, to reveal himself, the plotted maneuvers are used to move the template/ship from the original stealthed spot, to the present turn spot. Hopefully, not running into any asteriods or planetoids. Future turns are as normal, until the pilot wishes to go Stealth again.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Addendum to what Mike said -

    Only the first turn (when Stealth is announced) is recorded; each subsequent turn MUST be in a straight line, at the same speed ("going dark" requires switching off all engines, power systems etc).
    Stealth can be retained indefinitely; when the player decides to power up again, he announces this AFTER all other players have planned their moves. He then immediately replays his recorded turn, then all of his straight Stealth moves, then places the ship model on the map and plans his move for that turn.
    Play then proceeds normally for all.

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    Going through the latest posts of PragueCon, and noticed omissions from the Blackbird card. Now corrected, complete with FTL capability.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59



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