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    Monday's Tour:

    Hurka Defensive Position:
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    The 'front door', the entrance to the complex. We did the two-hour tour (and no sea storm!), which only got us half way into the tunnels. The entrance is the orange structure on the left side of the image below (K-Bg-S12a).

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    We got to the part where label 21 could be seen, which had a few displays and models in the long side tunnels. #21 was 540 meters from the entrance, and the complex was 60 meters underground. About 10 degrees C, or 40 degrees F, so jackets and sweaters were required, even with the walking.

    After going through the complex, we stopped at the gift shop, and I spotted these:
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    Close-up of a Tiger paper model in 1/48th scale. I didn't buy any, but it was a near thing.

    Then, on to the surface view of the complex gun positions. These were all that is left of the structures, after two occupying armies (German and Russian) have mistreated them:
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    This structure is K-Bg-S11 on the map above.

    Then, lunch at a local restaurant:
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    The image on the side wall of the building is supposed to represent a woman being boiled in a pot by the devil, or someone's idea of hell.

    Then, Kubajs and Dan were nice enough to take us to a place to get 'traditional gingerbread':
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    If you look closely, there are some gingerbread items that are not really Czech.

    Then, back to Prague, where Kubajs and Dan said good-bye to us (for now, as there may be Doncaster). We hopped onto the bus for Nurnberg...

    PS: Map of this day's touring. Wow! Was I confused. I thought the fortress was to the Northwest of Prague, not all the way back to near Andy's place.

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    The white path above was my very rough estimate of Andy's touring us around on Wednesday. Also visible on this map is Prague (left side), Pardubice (Gingerbread shop, left of center on lower part of map), and Stronghold Hurka (the main focus of the day's tour, in the right center of the map). On the upper right, you can see where Andy took us on Wednesday (including the Red Baron's hometown of Swidnica) and Andy's home town. Krakow is just off the map to the lower right.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-29-2019 at 12:34.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    I'm curious for the responses of experienced altitude players, because I share the same feeling about the altitude rules. They seem to slow down the game significantly. And using altitude dials without even using the pegs to show the actual altitude differences visually, seems repellent, too. I think the altitude rule takes the ease of the game.
    In my experience, altitude does slow a game, but in general makes it better. Without altitudes, collisions happen too often. Altitudes also allow more manoeuvers, you can for example outclimb the enemy, or evade by diving. You can incorporate landing, play with range of AA fire or choose your bombing altitude.

    So try to play with altitude more, you just need to get used to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    I'm curious for the responses of experienced altitude players, because I share the same feeling about the altitude rules. They seem to slow down the game significantly. And using altitude dials without even using the pegs to show the actual altitude differences visually, seems repellent, too. I think the altitude rule takes the ease of the game.


    i agree completely. especially if one (or more) of your regular players has "analysis paralysis" (not that they arent slow plotting anyway). our group generally doesnt use them, except when im playtesting a convention scenario that requires it. the stopping to adjust pegs slows things down more, and rapid altitude changes cut down on the number of firing solutions.
    and its not like were playing this game for realism anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mauhur View Post
    In my experience, altitude does slow a game, but in general makes it better. Without altitudes, collisions happen too often. Altitudes also allow more manoeuvers, you can for example outclimb the enemy, or evade by diving. You can incorporate landing, play with range of AA fire or choose your bombing altitude.

    So try to play with altitude more, you just need to get used to it.


    you can adjust things to reduce collisions. we play that a collision only happens if an aircrafts peg overlaps anothers red dot on their card. it cuts down on collisions significantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    It is right to a certain extent. Once in a while my group uses the Alt rules and everybody is ok with this. It requires a bit of care and planing, but provides a lot of flying options. In fact the rules should be corrected to:
    1) climbing and diving +1/-1 uses just one card (forget different climbing speeds),
    2) climbing/diving turns should be added.




    i agree completely about the climbing/diving turns being added.

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    "Although, I suspect that that same assimilation requirement may be hindered by a large ingestion of alcohol."
    BALDERDASH!!! thats simply scurrilous hun propaganda!!!it disburses the mind of less important distractions.

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    Guys, lets go to some other topic

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    Tuesday in Nurnberg:

    A short stroll from the hotel, down to the Haptbahnhof (train station), and we pass this:
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    We'll have to check the guide book to find the significance, but, it is a nice blend of Germany and Home (sort-of, but Victoria, BC is close to home).

    PS: what looks like an old water tower, or kaserne, and the 'Hotel Victoria' (in pink) behind it.

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    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-29-2019 at 16:51.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Late, but I didn't take pictures at the time, being more focused on getting on/off the bus. But, it was a double-decker, and rather nice:
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    Note: web capture, not exactly our bus.

    The major problem Donna and I have with most transportation is that it is made for regular-sized people. Short people can deal with this, most times. However, tall people are usually sardine-canned into spaces too small for us. This trip, being very late at night, was not full, and we had two seats each in which to spread out. And we could get up and walk around, something difficult to do in a moving car. All in all, a quick, and good, trip. And, it was dark, so not much to see, on the way.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    PS: what looks like an old water tower, or kaserne, and the 'Hotel Victoria' (in pink) behind it.
    It's the Frauentorturm (Women gate tower), built in the 16th century, beside the Frauentor, which was the former southern main gate in the town wall. Today it is the main gate to the red light district

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karo7 View Post
    It's the Frauentorturm (Women gate tower), built in the 16th century, beside the Frauentor, which was the former southern main gate in the town wall. Today it is the main gate to the red light district
    Red Light District! Cool.
    I like to decipher those German longer words, like the one above: Frauen/tor/turm. For a foreigner it might also sound like Frauentormentturm, which - connected with RLD - may not be far from true .
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    Männer, that‘s still the main old city Gate entrance right opposite to the main station.

    For those who are looking for the quick love - you have to walk another 500 meters to the west.

    I‘m happy that the German National Museum and my boardgame flagshipstore are not part of the red light district.
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    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Parts of the Tuesday Tour of Nurnberg:

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    Bridge sculpture:
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    A sculpture for the 'Sails' players?
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    PPS: Map of our walking tour in Nurnberg:
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    The route is over 6 kms of travel, including the interior ventures of the castle and the church(s).

    PS: Another panoramic image of the architecture in Nurnberg, by the river in the Old City:
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    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-29-2019 at 16:57.
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Tour of Ingoldstad (Wednesday):
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    Brunch at a traditional restaurant, with white sausage, sweet mustard and pretzels:
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    Note: OK. You are supposed to have Weiss beer, but I'm allergic, so Sven had to do the honours.

    The street it was on:
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    Bayern Army Museum
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    A display in the 1st World War Museum:
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    And then, on to Sven's place for a BBQ.

    PS: The route of the tour in Ingoldstadt:
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    At the bottom of the map, just at the left of the grass triangle and below the WW1 Museum, is the underground car park where we started and ended the day's tour. This was about 4kms of walking, if you counted the interiors of the two museums.
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    Five European WoG Forum members know the significance of this object:
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    More about it when I get home...
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 04-29-2019 at 17:01.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    The weather Gods are smiling on you both this trip.


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    Thursday - Trip Home

    Well, we're back at an airport, all too soon.
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    And the short hop to Amsterdam is our start of 20-some hours of travel.
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    Yup. This trip turned out, so far, to be pretty much what I expected. Great people, with similar interests, sharing their passions, be that pride in their countries, talents, or love of games.

    I didn't expect the departure blues, but that is what is coming through. That is much, much better than travel regrets, of which Donna and I have none.

    We still have a long way to go, but we will get there today (PDT). It will be well into Friday (CEST) by the time I post our Arrival in Comox pictures, due to time zones.

    Lots of fabulous memories, Forum Members. Thank you ever so much for making this possible.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Glad you've had a wonderful time, Mike! I look forward to hearing more and seeing more once the return-flight dust has settled. Safe travels home!

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Again, a great thread. Looks like a wonderful experience for all concerned. Thanks for posting all the pics - looking forward to meeting up again in September.

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    Good to hear of another successful Lend Lease project, this time with Mike!

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    Nürnberg ist really a gem. Unlike almost all other destroyed towns, they rebuild it with care.

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    And the last hop to the island:
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    Note that the weather is not the best, but, we are nearly home, and the garden/grass are in need of the moisture.

    Home, soon.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    We are home, and sort-of unpacked.

    Lots of laundry to do tomorrow, and clean-up around the house. Almost like back to normal.

    Donna and I have been up and semi-conscious since 10:00 PM last night, PDT. Twenty-five hours and counting... But, I'm zoning out. Tomorrow I'll tackle stuff like sorting out my treasures and goodies from my trip.

    Also, awaiting our return, was an envelope from Ares to replace a Nieuport 17 stand that had "A" damage on it, by mistake.

    Tomorrow, for any reasonable coherency...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Welcome home.

    Glad you made the trip home without problems.
    Voilŕ le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Glad to hear you reached home safety.
    The time you spent here with us brought many memories.

    One shot from the tour in Hurka fortification here and more in my albums.



    Looking forward to see you again soon.

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    I have attempted to update some of the postings above with maps and panoramic images.

    If Andy and Daniel would be kind enough to PM me with some details of the sights we toured, I can put some details into the maps (or do maps?). Sorry that my memory is not able to keep it all in clear focus.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    I can even post them here

    Visited places in Prague
    Visited places outside Prague

    Národní třída / National Avenue, Prague
    First stop on our walk through Prague, place of the first incident of Velvet Revolution '89.

    Old Town Square, Prague
    One of the most famous places of Prague (wiki). There is a famous clocktower, also a place of markets and concerts.

    Charles Bridge, Prague
    The ONE with statues, probably most famous view with bridge and Prague Castle. We stopped there just for a while and continued to...

    Natinal Theatre, Prague
    Burned during the first play, rebuit again. Renovated in last years. (wiki)

    Ss. Cyril and Methodius Cathedral, Resslova Street, Prague
    Orthodox church with crypt where paras from Heydrich's assasination were hidden to the end of all.

    Kunětická Hora Castle / chateau, close to Pardubice
    A chateau in the top of the hill in Elbe lowlands. We saw it many times during our journey.

    Hůrka Artillery Fortress, close to Králíky town
    One of the most fortified places on our borderlands (web). Czechoslovakian generals were expecting there the major direction of German attach in '38.

    Pardubice
    A town / city (100k inhabitans) famous for gingerbread, steeplechace runs and semtex plastic explosives.

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    Will have to make sure we find plenty of things for you to do in Doncaster

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    I can even post them here

    Visited places in Prague
    Visited places outside Prague

    Národní třída / National Avenue, Prague
    First stop on our walk through Prague, place of the first incident of Velvet Revolution '89.

    Old Town Square, Prague
    One of the most famous places of Prague (wiki). There is a famous clocktower, also a place of markets and concerts.

    Charles Bridge, Prague
    The ONE with statues, probably most famous view with bridge and Prague Castle. We stopped there just for a while and continued to...

    Natinal Theatre, Prague
    Burned during the first play, rebuit again. Renovated in last years. (wiki)

    Ss. Cyril and Methodius Cathedral, Resslova Street, Prague
    Orthodox church with crypt where paras from Heydrich's assasination were hidden to the end of all.

    Kunětická Hora Castle / chateau, close to Pardubice
    A chateau in the top of the hill in Elbe lowlands. We saw it many times during our journey.

    Hůrka Artillery Fortress, close to Králíky town
    One of the most fortified places on our borderlands (web). Czechoslovakian generals were expecting there the major direction of German attach in '38.

    Pardubice
    A town / city (100k inhabitans) famous for gingerbread, steeplechace runs and semtex plastic explosives.
    These are Awesome posts! Thanks you so much.

    It is overwhelming, at times, even without Jet Lag and the speed we travelled, when you consider Donna and I come from a country that measures history in decades, to places that measure history in millenia (or at least in a LOT of centuries).

    Now annotating my Google Earh paths and places.

    PS: The first non-native settlers in and around the Comox River Vally on Vancouver Island arrived in the 1860's, where written history starts for most people. Native peoples have oral histories and archaeological history that goes back millenia. Our Country's confederation dates from 1867. OK, there is Old Quebec, which dates from 1608, and still has old buildings and cobblestone streets that are equivalent to places we visited, and is pretty much the oldest non-native city in Canada. But the rest of the country is not in the same league as Europe.
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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