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    OTT DYM Mission 2, 14 January 1916, Coming and Going, by Teaticket

    With a static front, enemy bombing raids were experienced weekly. After the raid, a photo reconnaissance was sent to determine the success of the mission. Being early 1916 massed formations were not yet the norm. Few planes were normally sent on missions where in 1918 many dozens were sent. Early warning systems were also a thing of the future so a bombing raid was usually intercepted on it’s return home after the bombs had been dropped.

    Typical (some not so) planes of the period used by both sides.

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    A German bomber has just dropped it’s bombs over Givenchy and is on it’s way home.
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    (Or, an Entente bomber has just dropped it’s bombs over Lens and is on it’s way home.)
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    Today’s mission is to intercept the enemy bomber returning from it’s raid. You and another scout are sent up to intercept. After the bomber has returned home or has been shot down a reconnaissance plane is spotted on it’s way to survey the damage. You are also charged with not allowing it to complete it’s task.

    Forces,

    Enemy,
    1 bomber with 2 machine guns,
    1 photo recon plane with 1 machine gun,
    1 scout escort for the recon plane.

    Friendly,
    2 scouts. You will fly one of the interceptor scouts.
    1 possible reinforcement scout

    Set up,
    Two mats connecting along a long side edge. Any two mats will do. Both mats are friendly with one long edge considered the enemy edge.

    Special movement.
    From the bomber’s and recon plane’s movement decks, only use 2 straights, 2 stalls, 2 turns in each direction. These 8 cards are shuffled and drawn when it is time for the bomber to move. Reshuffle deck when needed.

    Do not let these planes get less than 1 ruler from a side edge. Use your judgement to keep it heading for it’s intended target edge.


    1st half of the mission.
    Initial set up is as follows, (In the photos, I use a trench mat for the enemy base edge. All other edges are friendly in case one is forced from the battle.)

    Enemy bomber starts with it’s rear base 1 ruler in, from the center of your friendly long side edge.
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    For the friendly scouts, mark the mat every 5 ½ inches for 6 placement locations, ½ ruler length on the enemy side of the mid line. Roll a d6 for each scout placement. If you roll the same for both, roll again for the 2nd for a different location.
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    When the bomber has either been shot down or exited from it’s friendly edge, the game will be reset for the recon half of the mission.

    If one or both of your friendly scouts have been shot down or forced home, you will gain one fresh reinforcement scout.

    If you still have both of your original scouts able to fly at the end of the 1st half, continue on with them, not ever getting the reinforcement plane. You can only ever have 2 friendly scouts on the table.


    2nd half of the mission.
    Placement is similar to before but this time they will be on the friendly side of mid line.
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    The enemy recon plane starts with it’s rear base 1 ruler in, from the center of it's friendly long side edge. The escort scout will be placed randomly ½ ruler length from the recon plane as shown.
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    The enemy recon exiting your friendly long edge ends the battle. You are now too low on fuel to continue. You break off, diving into a cloud and head home.

    If the recon plane is shot down, the escort will fight on if you have only 1 scout. If you have 2 scouts it will dive into a cloud, breaking off for home ending the battle.


    Victory conditions,
    Shoot down the bomber only, draw. The enemy has recon confirmation of the mission but has lost it’s bomber for good.

    Shoot down the recon plane only, draw. The damage was done but at least the enemy won’t know how bad it was.

    Shoot down both the bomber and recon plane, Victory!

    Shoot down neither the bomber or recon plane, Defeat.

    The enemy scout is irrelevant to the mission outcome.

    If you finish the mission not receiving the reinforcement, you get an extra brandy in the mess.
    Last edited by Teaticket; 01-31-2019 at 10:21.

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    Looks interesting, Peter (as your missions always are)

    I think I will wait until I see the new photos to make sure I grasp the setup.
    (If the photos are already fixed then I think it's just your terminology of enemy and friendly that is a bit confusing.)

    Enemy bomber starts with it’s rear base 1 ruler in, from the center of it's friendly long side edge.
    Shouldn't the bomber be starting from their enemy's edge? (your side's edge) since it is returning, and then cross both mats to exit on their edge?

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    Great mission Peter, well done. I look forward to giving it a run.

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    Thanks Peter, it looks like a great mission. Not sure when I will get to it but looking forward to it & can't wait to see how the other chaps get along with it

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Hm, an interesting dilemma. Go after the bomber, for sure. But the recon plane? or the escort? Go after the escort first, that means you don't have to worry about something on your tail, but it might not leave enough time/fuel to go after the real threat. Go after the recon plane, you're likely to get shot down by the one you never saw. Put two interceptors after the same target, you're likely to crunch like Boelcke and Böhme. Separate one on one, and you might not have the firepower to finish the job at all.

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    The recon is the mission focus & the escort counts for nothing as VP so I'd double team the recon as much as possible.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Looks interesting, Peter (as your missions always are)

    I think I will wait until I see the new photos to make sure I grasp the setup.
    (If the photos are already fixed then I think it's just your terminology of enemy and friendly that is a bit confusing.)


    Shouldn't the bomber be starting from their enemy's edge? (your side's edge) since it is returning, and then cross both mats to exit on their edge?
    If you use a trench mat it will have the enemy long side edge on it.

    You have it correct, the bomber starts from your friendly edge, which is the bombers enemy edge. I'll get the photos done up in a couple hours after I walk the dog and shovel some snow. Priorities from the wife's point of view!

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    Ok guys, the photos are now correct with a little better explanation. (I hope! Dave may have to update the scenario listing on the DYM thread.)

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    For the friendly scouts, mark the mat every 5 ½ inches
    What are inches ? Strictly SI units of measurement here

    Looks and smells like a real good one Pete
    . Will have to play after the Superbowl on Sunday as long as the winners are not the Brady Bunch, but definatly before the trip to Gibraltar this month


    I'm learning to fly, but I ain't got wings
    Coming down is the hardest thing

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    I think my issue will be what to use as an Entente bomber.
    I could use an Fe.2b I guess, but it’s really only one machine gunner.
    I wonder if I could use a Caproni and call it something else?

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    Didn't a FE2D have a fixed machine gun that the pilot controlled? If not I guess flying German against British you'll have it easier.

    I didn't look closely enough at British early bomber/recon planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tikkifriend View Post
    What are inches ? Strictly SI units of measurement here

    Looks and smells like a real good one Pete
    . Will have to play after the Superbowl on Sunday as long as the winners are not the Brady Bunch, but definatly before the trip to Gibraltar this month
    Uh, Brady, in his 9th SuperBowl, must be doing something right. If the rest of the league can't figure it out they'll just have to wait until he retires.

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    Yeah I was hoping to use a 1-1/2 Strutter but they won’t be available in this campaign.
    FE.2d comes too late as well.
    FE.2b it is ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Yeah I was hoping to use a 1-1/2 Strutter but they won’t be available in this campaign.
    FE.2d comes too late as well.
    FE.2b it is ...
    Hi Pete, a bit of a dilemma for you. I don't know when they put the 2nd Lewis gun into the FE2b, the one on a stalk between the pilot and observer but that would mean you had a forward and rearward mg in the one plane, admittedly one gunner or you could let the pilot use it as well so two forward facing mgs and one able to face rearwards.

    The other option would be to turn the mission on its head and fly a German bomber or Recce plane. So you could fly a Rumpler or Albatros Clll as a light bomber, two mg's, then Recce in an Albatros Cl, the victory conditions are the same, if you get both through - you win, one through - you draw, none through - you lose.

    The only thing with my 2nd option is that you are trying to evade and defend rather than attack which might not appeal.

    Anyway just a thought.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    I think my issue will be what to use as an Entente bomber.
    I could use an Fe.2b I guess, but it’s really only one machine gunner.
    I wonder if I could use a Caproni and call it something else?
    Well you could use a Caproni and call it a Caproni Ca1..... basically the same as a Ca3 but with lower powered engines so use the XB deck instead of XD.
    Though I don't think they operated Caproni's in France until 1918 you could make up a story surrounding its use - a proof of concept mission or similar ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.1_(1914)

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Ok guys, the photos are now correct with a little better explanation. (I hope! Dave may have to update the scenario listing on the DYM thread.)
    Photos in the compilation sticky updated Peter.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vagabond View Post
    Hi Pete, a bit of a dilemma for you. I don't know when they put the 2nd Lewis gun into the FE2b, the one on a stalk between the pilot and observer but that would mean you had a forward and rearward mg in the one plane, admittedly one gunner or you could let the pilot use it as well so two forward facing mgs and one able to face rearwards.
    That came up at Cancon a few years back, Zoe's research indicated the FE's did not get the rearward facing Lewis until 1917. Barry was VERY disappointed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl_Brisgamer View Post
    That came up at Cancon a few years back, Zoe's research indicated the FE's did not get the rearward facing Lewis until 1917. Barry was VERY disappointed
    I thought it might be later than Jan 16 but hadn't had any time to research it. I found plane cards on here showing both the forward only firing arc and the 360' arc. I used the forward only one in my 1st mission with the FE2b's. Do you know off the top when in 1917 it was introduced?

    The other option for Pete might be the Nieuport 12 flying for the RNAS. The French one not the Beardmore one which was later. They were using these in the Dardanelles no 2 wing but I believe might have had some at Dunkirk with 1 wing. I am open to correction on the later point.

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    Henri Farman* F.27s and Nieuport Type 12 two-seaters belonging to No.2 Wing, RNAS based at Imbros in 1915

    The picture came from the web and was on a memorial page to a pilot who was killed in the Dardanelles so I can't vouch for its veracity.

    I believe Guntruck and Zoe have cards for the N12 in their albums.
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    Peter (Teaticket) sorry I got carried away with Pete's thoughts on planes and didn't say that I thought this was going to be good fun, you've put up some marvelous pictures to start with, the 7th one down is I believe the Nieuport 12 I've just been talking about but the first one is outstanding but I don't recognise it. It looks like you have a model of it in your last two placement examples, can you tell me what it is?

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    Yes, one of the photos I put up is a Nieuport 12.

    Nieuport 10 or 12 is an option. Morane-Saulnier BB is another.

    Models in my placement photos are Morane-Saulnier N, Morane-Saulnier L, Rumpler C.I, Pfalz E.II and an AGO C.I.

    I plan on using a Gotha Ursinus as my bomber. Almost finished painting it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Well you could use a Caproni and call it a Caproni Ca1..... basically the same as a Ca3 but with lower powered engines so use the XB deck instead of XD.
    Though I don't think they operated Caproni's in France until 1918 you could make up a story surrounding its use - a proof of concept mission or similar ?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caproni_Ca.1_(1914)
    Hi Dave,

    I thought this would be a scenario I could translate to a later date for my newly-minted collection. I moved it to the Italian front using a Caproni with a Nieuport 17 as escort against 2 Albatross DIII. Yesterday I tried out the 1st half of the scenario as a test. It turned out to be a quite exciting with both scouts and the bomber all going down in the last turn. It's one of those gaming occasions that calls for a story so I will try to an AAR and post to the AAR folder. I didn't take pictures but I think I can recreate enough of the situations to put into the AAR.

    Now I have to do the 2nd half with just one replacement DIII. Fortunately the Nieuport took some damage.

    Cheers

    Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Photos in the compilation sticky updated Peter.
    Thanks Oncle!

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    Nice one Peter - looking forward to using the Gotha, just like you said

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    Well, no one complained when I used the second Lewis in my AAR so I am sticking with it.
    I'll just have to remember to not fly a Fee if I ever make it to Canberra ...


    This from Wikipedia (accent mine)
    Early in the F.E.2b's career, a second Lewis gun was added in front of the pilot's cockpit, on a high telescopic mounting so that the pilot could fire forward, over his observer's head. In practice, this gun was appropriated by the observers, especially when they discovered that by climbing onto the rim of their cockpits they could fire backwards over the top wing
    I am going with a Caproni Ca.1
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    Great looking mission Pete.
    looking forward to this one.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Looks a tricky one this Peter. My KEK will be hard put to win this one. Mind you I still have the first one to play yet!

    Neil
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Looks a good challenge & a fun game.
    Have not worked out my Aircraft yet but should get this one done in second week of Feb.
    Got too much already committed next week & that weekend.

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    Still to paint the Entente scouts, but I was thinking of using a Morane Type L and a Nieuport 10 v the Gotha G1, followed by an LVG CII with a Pfalz E1. Hope that sounds about right. If anyone knows of any no no's for these aircraft, I'd be grateful for a heads up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeemagnus View Post
    Still to paint the Entente scouts, but I was thinking of using a Morane Type L and a Nieuport 10 v the Gotha G1, followed by an LVG CII with a Pfalz E1. Hope that sounds about right. If anyone knows of any no no's for these aircraft, I'd be grateful for a heads up.
    Similar to what I'll be flying. Gotha G1 vs Morane-Saulnier L and N, then a Rumpler C.I and Pfalz E.II. I might try to get my Albatros C.I done but that may wait till next mission.
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    For the Caproni Ca.1 I am going to lower the damage level to 16 to fall in line with the German options and use the XB deck as Dave suggested.

    I had hoped to play it yesterday but got sidelined making my Lewis Drum counters.
    They will be handy for the Caproni as well because the Fiat-Revelli machine guns had a 50 round magazine.

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    Played mine today.

    Only took 3 hours instead of the 11 or 12 for Mission 1.
    And a much more agreeable result ...


    I will get it posted later this week.

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    And a much more agreeable result ...
    Hahahaha

    Looking forward to reading it Pete

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    Indeed I look forward to your opening salvo Pete
    I shan't be able to do mine until next week.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Part one played out, part two tomorrow.

    Great little battle so far.

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    Mission complete, rest stand clear!

    Just have to find the time to post the report, a violent tale of fire and blood.

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    A few more choices for light bombing, although most only have one gun:
    • British at this date might be an RAF RE7, Strutter, BE2c, or Caudron G.3.
    • For the French, a Breguet-Michelin 4 or 5, Farman MF.11 and others, Voisin 3 or 4 or 5, or Caudron G.4. Caproni C.E.P.2s (French-built Ca3/33) were in use in March 1916, so January is only a small stretch. The earlier C.E.P.1s (Ca1/31) probably didn't see operational use, but that's also only a small stretch to assume they did. Nieuport 10/12 was mostly recon, but they probably occasionally did light bombing. Voisin 3 would probably be the most likely.
    • The Germans can use the Gotha G.I and a pile of two-seaters.
    • Italians can use early Capronis.


    But if you want a real bomber from this era, try going against a Il'ya Muromets. A tip-of-the-hat to anyone who takes up that challenge!

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    Thanks for the info, Daryl.
    I had hoped to use my 'Strutters' but they are not available in the time-frame of this campaign.
    I just checked out the RE.7 and it's basically the same as a BE.2c - not really much of a bomber (and I used the BE.2 for the second half of the mission)

    I didn't think we would be using bombers this early in the campaign so I did not look at getting any.
    I will be ordering more planes from Shapeways this year - probably in the summer - so will be checking out your offerings for sure.

    I am thinking Caudron G3/G.4, a Voisin or two, Bristol Scouts, some C.I/C.II and maybe a Gotha G.1

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReducedAirFact

    But if you want a real bomber from this era, try going against a Il'ya Muromets. A tip-of-the-hat to anyone who takes up that challenge!

    'Struth!



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