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    Quote Originally Posted by zenlizard View Post
    And this is probably something the game in general could use. Perhaps on the next series of ace cards, if any are to come out.
    More likely for me, any card with smoke or fire results in a fire, or like i did at one show I could just come onto the table on fire to save time.The only way to stop my plane catching fire would be to dope it with Borax.
    Rob
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    ploughing through all the German types as we speak but it's a work in progress and will take time.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Thanks for the detailed aircraft availability list, Neil.
    Rep sent.
    That being said, i am disappointed that I won't be able to use my Morane N models since they do not appear before May.
    We also miss the use of the Sopwith 1-1/2 Strutter by a month ...

    Gonna be slim pickins for the the guys with only Ares models.

    Any chance of moving up to start in March instead of January ?

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    Lightbulb A suggestion for background for Missions!

    G'day Folks!
    I have found a great source for what was actually happening on the Western Front in 1916.
    Over on the Aerodrome (Historical Forum) in the Sub Section "Other WW1 Aviation" Graeme is posting a series of threads "100 years ago-The Missing Months" which covers actual reports & events for each month of 1916 based on British Records. It lists actions like bombing, recon, victories, losses etc including the aircraft involved as well as the area in which the action occurred.
    I thought this might give us some ideas for scenarios & what aircraft to include.
    Take a look & let me know what you think.

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    http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=70810
    Last edited by flash; 11-20-2018 at 00:48. Reason: Link Added

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    Quote Originally Posted by BwanaJoe View Post
    Thanks for the info. No cards either. I’ll catch the next one.
    Hey Joe! There are some card sets for WW1 for sale in the "SaleSswap section if you are interested. (They are not mine )

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    Joe, PM me with your address. I should have some extra DH2 and Eindeker cards if you need any.

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    Here's your starter for 10:

    1914:
    Friedrichshaven FF33: 2-seater floatplane/scout/recce/bomber/2 fwd or 2 rear mg (depending on type)/12kg (26.4lb) bombs/ 68mph (to Nov 18)

    1915

    Rumpler CI:
    2-seater/ recce/bomber/1 fwd mg(later)/1 rear mg /100kg(220lb) bombs/152 kph (to early 18)

    March 15:
    AEG CI
    : 2-seater/recce/1 rear mg/81mph (to Oct 15)

    April 15:
    Aviatik CI/Hannover CI:
    2-seater/recce/2 fwd mg, 1 on each side of nose, fired by observer/88.75mph (to mid17)

    June 15:

    AGO CI: 2-seater pusher/recce/1 fwd mg/90mph (to May 1916)
    AGO CII: 2-seater pusher/recce/1 fwd mg/85mph (to May 1916)
    Fokker EI: Single seat scout/1 fwd mg (to early 16)
    Fokker EII: Single seat scout/1 fwd mg (to early 16)

    Late 15:
    LVG CII:
    (2-seater/ recce/bomber/1 rear mg /40kg(90lb) bombs/81mph) (to 17)

    Oct 15:
    AEG CII: 2-seater/ recce/bomber/1 rear mg /40kg(90lb) bombs/86mph (to early 17)

    Dec 15:
    *Albatros CIII
    : 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/ 90kg (200lb)bombs (to mid 17)
    *Fokker EIII:
    Single seat scout/1 or 2 fwd mg (to June 16)

    1916:

    Aviatik CII
    : 2-seater/recce/2 fwd mg, 1 on each side of nose, fired by observer/90+mph (to mid 17)
    Rumpler CIII: 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/ 100kg (220lb)bombs/85+mph (to early 17)

    March 16:

    *Roland CII/CIIa: 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 fwd mg/ 1 rear mg/50kg (110lb) bombs/103mph (to spring 17)
    LVG CIV: (2-seater/ recce/bomber/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg /40kg(90lb) bombs/81+mph) (to late 17)

    January

    Halberstadt DII: single seat scout/ 1 fwd mg/93mph (to March 17) (Us the *Halberstadt DIII only difference being engine size)

    British/French

    1915


    • January: Morane-Saulnier L and LA. French. Type: Monoplane, Parasol, reconnaissance/light bombers. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, 110hp Le Rhone or Gnome rotary 70mph max. M.O.A:Not known. Arms: Rifle/pistol or Lewis 0.303in mg. Hand bombs six 20lb max.


    • January: Farman 11 (Shorthorn i.e. shorter landing skids). French. Type: Reconnaissance/light bomber. Seater: Two. Engine: Pusher, 80/100hp Renault V8, air-cooled, 70mph max. M.O.A:10,000ft. Arms: Lewis 0.303 mg. Hand bombs, 288lb max.


    • January: *RAF BE2c. British. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, 90hp RAF V8, air-cooled, 75mph max. M.O.A: 10,000ft. Arms: Lewis 0.303in mg. Hand bombs 205lb max. Types BEd/e introduced in November with Lewis mg. for observer. Total built: 3,000+.


    • February: Vickers FB5. 'The Gun Bus'. British. Type: Biplane, fighter (First British purpose designed 'fighter'). Also as light bomber. Seater: Two. Engine: Pusher, 100hp Monosoupape Gnome rotary 70mph max. M.O.A: 6,000ft. Arms: One ring mounted Vickers 0.303in mg and, in some aircraft, a Lewis 0.303in mounted on pole between the cockpits. Total built: 100+


    • July: Bristol Scout C and D. British. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance, later fighter - D. Seater: Single. Engine: Tractor, 80hp Le Rhone or 80hp Gnome or 100hp Clerget, all rotary, 94mph max. M.O.A: 16.000ft. Arms: Experimentally modified to take side attached Lewis mg. aligned to fire sideways outside the arc of the propeller blades. Later one, or two, forward firing Lewis mgs. mounted on upper wing. (In March 1916, used to field-test the Constantinescu interrupter gear). Total built: 161.


    • July: Airco De H1. British. Type: Biplane, fighter/reconnaissance. Seater :Two. Engine. Pusher,120hp Beardsmore 88mph max. M.O.A: 13,500ft. Arms: Lewis 0.303in mg. Total built: 73.


    • August: *Nieuport 11 (Baby). French. Type: Biplane, fighter. Seater: Single;Engine: Tractor, 80hp Le Rhone rotary 100mph max. M.O.A: 18,000ft. Arms: Lewis 0.303in mg.


    • September: Nieuport 12. French. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, 110hp Clerget rotary 100mph max. M.O.A: 11,000ft. Arms: Two Lewis 0.303in mg. Later one Vickers synchronised 0.303in mg.


    • September: RAF FE2b (Fee). British. Type: Biplane, fighter/night bomber. (Higher performance than FB5). Seater: Single. Engine: Pusher. 120/160hp Beardsmore 92mph max. M.O.A:9,000/11,000ft. Arms: Three Lewis 0.303in mgs. one in front cockpit. Bombs, three, 112lb max. Also some fitted with Vickers 1 pounder quick-firing gun. Total built: 1,482.


    • November: Moraine-Saulnier BB. French. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, 110hp Le Rhone rotary 90mph max. M.O.A: Not known. Arms: Lewis 0.303in mg.


    • November: RAF RE7. British. Type: Biplane, light bomber. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, 150hp RAF V12, air-cooled, 85mph max. (Plus several others including 250hp Rolls Royce Eagle). M.O.A:10,000ft. Arms: Lewis mg. in observer's cockpit. Bombs, 336lb max. Total built: 224.


    • November: Caudron GIV. French. (200 were made under licence in Britain). Type: Biplane,reconnaissance/light bomber. Seater: Two. Engine: Tractor, twin 80hp Le Rhone rotary 80mph.M.O.A: 14,000ft. Arms: Lewis 0.303 mg. Bombs, 200lb max.


    • November: Farman F40. French. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance/light bomber. Seater: Two. Engine: Pusher, 160hp Renault V8, 85mph max. M.O.A: Not known. Arms: Two Lewis 0.303in mg. Served with RNAS.

    1916

    • February: *Airco De H2. British. Type: Biplane, fighter. Seater: Single. Engine: Pusher, 100hp Gnome Monosoupape rotary 90mph max. M.O.A: 14,000ft.Arms: Fixed Lewis 0.303in mg. in front cockpit. Total built: 450.


    • March: Martinsyde G100/102 Elephant. British. Type: Biplane, reconnaissance/fighter, later bomber. Seater: Single. Engine: Tractor, 120/160hp Beardsmore 95mph max. M.O.A: 10,000ft. Arms: Top wing mounted Lewis 0.303in mg. Bombs, 220lb max. Total Built: 270.



    At a push you could use a repainted Fokker E type as a Morane-Saulnier L type single-seat scout (Pfalz/Fokker copied it)

    * Ares models
    Last edited by Lt. S.Kafloc; 11-21-2018 at 12:53.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    G'day Folks!
    I have found a great source for what was actually happening on the Western Front in 1916.

    I thought this might give us some ideas for scenarios & what aircraft to include.
    Take a look & let me know what you think.

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    http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=70810
    There is certainly a growing selection of meaty ideas there Baz.
    Thanks.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Anything you are short of Joe and I'm sure that we can mackel something up for you.
    Drop me a PM.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Back to the Morane-Saulnier N

    Neil and Dave - where did you get your data for the usage time frame?

    Every site I have looked at, including Ares, says it was introduced in 1915.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Back to the Morane-Saulnier N

    Neil and Dave - where did you get your data for the usage time frame?

    Every site I have looked at, including Ares, says it was introduced in 1915.
    Can't recall exactly Pete as it was a few years ago when I checked for the Early doors campaign, several sources though - I have always had it as 'In Service' from campaign start (Jan'16) until Sep1916; can't speak for him but think Neil suggests it comes into British service in May 1916, certainly the French had it before then.
    If I recall correctly the prequel mission to ED (Dec'15) involved a Morane N v an Eindecker...
    That's the beauty of being a Bulldog - we get to access test aircraft before they're selected for general issue and are not strictly restricted by history as long as it was in service. I will be using them as a British Bulldog, like last time, I'm sure if there are any French Bulldogs they will be too.
    60 & 3 Sqn had the Morane N, 60 didn't get to France before May & didn't get operational until June. Not sure about 3 sqn history but they were there from the kick off & flew various Moranes at the Somme.
    Last edited by flash; 11-22-2018 at 01:06.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Back to the Morane-Saulnier N

    Neil and Dave - where did you get your data for the usage time frame?

    Every site I have looked at, including Ares, says it was introduced in 1915.
    Davila & Soltan's French Aircraft of the First World War claims that the first 10 (of 24) Type Ns were at the Front after June 1915 (and probably some as early as March with MS 12), the very first flown by Eugene Gilbert. Determined to avenge the loss of his friend Garros, he named his kite Le Vengeur.

    MS 12, 23, and 49 definitely flew the Type N, with MS 3, 37, and 48 most likely using them to protect the more vulnerable Type L/LAs. Though rarely mentioned by name in French reports from 1915, it's believed likely that bomber escort and barrage flights were flown by this Type throughout July and August 1915.

    The arrival of the Nieuport 10 in September, and the first Nieuport 11s a few weeks later would relegate the Type N to increasingly limited roles, with its removal from frontline service by the end of 1915.

    The Type N saw more widespread use by the RFC, with more than half of those produced going to the British. The first three were ordered in September (by which time they' were already being removed from front-line service by Aviation Militaire) and assigned to Nos. 1 and 3 Squadrons. A follow up order of 24 was made in January, with all arriving at the Front by mid-June 1916. No. 60 Squadron was the main user of the Type N, receiving its first on 28 May 1916. No. 60 Squadron and their Moranes saw action during the Battle of the Somme. No. 24 Squadron also flew the Bullet (mostly transferred from No. 3 Squadron), but not for long... the Type N was phased out of frontline service in October 1916.

    Most combats in this Type proved inconclusive, though Jean Navarre (MS 12) was credited with a destroyed German aircraft while flying a Type N on 25 October 1915.

    As did the French, many British aviators found the Type N difficult to fly. The similarity in appearance with the Fokker E.III also led to recognition errors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    .... I will be using them as a British Bulldog, like last time ...
    That's all I needed to hear. I am going to convert 2 or 3 of mine to RFC colours.

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    Here's your starter for 10:
    Great Neil - many thanks

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    A suggestion for background for Missions!
    Nice Baz - thanks for the heads up. I think there will be quite a bit of mileage from that source

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    I am compiling the rosters so PM me which side you wish to be on and a list of pilot/crew names when you're ready.
    You will need 6 starting pilots & 2 tandem crews to start.
    You will also need to nominate the name of the pilot you wish to fly so he may be marked accordingly.

    May I also welcome Neil (Skafloc) back to WW1 OTT - he will be an Eagle & is providing us with our first match. I will knock up a scenario list once I know who we have playing. PM me who your pilot will be please Neil.
    Last edited by flash; 11-24-2018 at 01:44.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    According to Kenneth Munson (aircraft of WW1): Morane N was built in small numbers, 49 for French use, a small batch for the RFC (used by 4 squadrons) and 1 squadron for the Russian Imperial Air Service.

    'Introduced in 1914 80hp Gnome or Le Rhone rotary engine. Early 1916 31 improved AC types with 120hp Le Rhone engine. 1 AC variant (experimentally) was tried with twin Vickers firing through the propeller arc.'
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    So the elves helped get the Christmas trees and deco up, I found the early war tubs and a dozen or more Shapeways primed and ready to paint.

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    Found this tiny baby Gunbus too! What do you feed them?

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    Welcome Neil - Looking forward to reading your AARs

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    [/QUOTE]Found this tiny baby Gunbus too! What do you feed them?[QUOTE]

    Little Fokkers!

    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    So the elves helped get the Christmas trees and deco up, I found the early war tubs and a dozen or more Shapeways primed and ready to paint....
    Oh my, a veritable 3D printed gold mine David !
    Jolly decent of you to offer toys up to the chaps. I might have to PM you myself !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    It's been awhile since I played an OTT campaign game. Looking through my records as to where I can fit my new orbats into the greater scene of the OTT campaign.

    Neil

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeemagnus View Post
    Welcome Neil - Looking forward to reading your AARs
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Here's a little on French possibilities again this is a work in progress and will be updated:

    French:
    1914

    Farman HF20:
    2-seater/bomber/recce/(1 fwd mg/light bombs)/1050ft/70mph (to mid 15) When armed, drastically reduced capabilities and resulted in heavy losses. Only rectified in HF 27 but obsolete by then.

    Deperdussin TT: 2-seater/recce/1 fwd mg(obs)/##ft?/71mph (to end 14)

    *Morane-Saulnier N: single seat/scout/(1 fwd mg)/13,125ft/102mph (to early 16)

    August:

    Voisin L (Type 1): 2
    -seater/recce/bomber/ground attack/1 fwd mg/330lb bombs/10,000ft/60mph (to 15)

    Voisin L (Type 2): 2-seater/recce/bomber/ground attack/1 fwd mg/330lb bombs/10,000ft/60mph (to 15)

    September:

    Farman M11:
    2 seater/bomber/recce/1 fwd mg/131.4kg (288lb) bombs/12,467ft/66 mph (Mainly Italy, Russia, Dardanelles, Mesopotamia, withdrawn Western Front late1915)

    1915


    Voisin LA (Type 3):
    2-seater/recce/bomber/ground attack/1 fwd mg or 37mm canon/330lb bombs/11,485ft/65mph (to 16)

    Voisin LB (Type 4): 2-seater/recce/bomber/ground attack/1 fwd 37mm or 47mm cannon/660lb bombs/11,485ft/65mph (to 16)

    Early:

    Morane-Saulnier L:
    single seat/scout/recce/1 fwd mg/120lb bombs/13,100ft/71mph (to mid 16)

    Morane-Saulnier LA:
    2-seater/scout/recce/1 fwd mg/120lb bombs/13,100ft/71mph (to mid 16)

    Morane-Saulnier P(XXVI): 2-seater/scout/recce/(1 fwd mg)/1 rear /120lb bombs/12,000ft/71mph (97mph) (to mid 17)

    Nieuport 10:
    2-seater/scout/recce/15,400ft/96mph (to mid 16)

    Nieuport 10: single seat/scout/1 fwd mg/13,100ft/96mph (to mid 16)

    Nieuport 12: 2-seater/scout/recce/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/13,100ft/71mph (to mid 16)

    Nieuport 12: single seat/scout/1 fwd mg/13,100ft/71mph (to mid 16)

    *Nieuport 11:
    single seat/scout/1 fwd mg/15,000ft/97mph (to mid 17)

    Mid 15:

    Farman F40(P): 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 or 2 fwd mg/(10 Le Prieur rockets)/light bombs/13,125ft/84mph (to early 17)

    Farman F41:
    2-seater/recce/bomber/1 or 2 fwd mg/light bombs/13,125ft/84+mph to early 17)

    Farman F56: 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 or 2 fwd mg/light bombs/13,125ft/84+mph (to mid 17)

    Farman F60: 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 or 2 fwd mg/light bombs/13,125ft/84+mph (to late 17)

    Farman F61: 2-seater/recce/bomber/1 or 2 fwd mg/light bombs/13,125ft/84+mph (to early 18)

    *Nieuport 16:
    single seat/scout/1 fwd mg/(Le Prieur Rockets)/15,000ft/97mph (to mid 17)

    November:

    Gaudron GIV:
    2-seater/recce/bomber/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/113kg (250lb) bombs/14,000ft/82mph (to early 17)

    End/Late:

    Voisin LA.S (Type 5-6): 2-seater/recce/bomber/ground attack/1 fwd mg/660lb bombs/11,485ft/65mph+ (to 16)

    1916

    Letord biplanes Type 1,2,4: 3 seater/recce/2 fwd mg/2 rear mg/16,000ft/-98mph (to 18)

    Letord biplanes Type 3,5,7:
    3 seater/bomber/440lb bombs/16,000ft/98mph (to 18)

    Letord biplanes Type 6:
    3 seater/scout/escort/ 1 fwd 37mm canon/ 1 or 2 rear mg/ 16,000ft/98+mph (to 18)

    Morane-Saulnier S:
    3-seater/bomber/recce/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/2,600lb bombs/##ft?/97mph (to ?)

    Morane-Saulnier T:
    3-seater/bomber/recce/1 fwd mg/1 rear mg/1,410lb bombs/14,800ft/97mph (to late 17)


    February:

    Breguet-Michelin BrM4: 2-seater?/bomber/1 fwd 37mm cannon/640lb bombs/##ft?/84mph (to Jun 16)

    Breguet-Michelin BrM5: 2-seater?/bomber/1 fwd 37mm cannon/640lb bombs/##ft?/84mph (to Jun 16)

    March:

    *Nieuport 17:
    single seat/scout/1 or 2 fwd mg/(Le Prieur Rockets)/17,400ft/110mph (to mid 18)



    *Official Ares models
    Last edited by Lt. S.Kafloc; 11-24-2018 at 16:24.
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    Updated post 73 with any further info I could find. There are still gaps and if anyone can add the missing information would be grateful.

    Neil
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    I am compiling the rosters so PM me which side you wish to be on and a list of pilot/crew names when you're ready.
    You will need 6 starting pilots & 2 tandem crews to start.
    You will also need to nominate the name of the pilot you wish to fly so he may be marked accordingly.

    May I also welcome Neil (Skafloc) back to WW1 OTT - he will be an Eagle & is providing us with our first match. I will knock up a scenario list once I know who we have playing. PM me who your pilot will be please Neil.
    Hi Dave!
    I will commence work on that.
    I might need 3 x 2 seater crews as I intend to fly my 2 BE 2's with a Vickers Gunbus for escort in the first few games if it suits the scenario.
    I could of course use my "named" pilot for the gunbus & then transfer him to scouts.
    I would appreciate your comments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post

    Found this tiny baby Gunbus too! What do you feed them?
    Little Fokkers!

    Gunbus' love a coat of Camo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    I might need 3 x 2 seater crews as I intend to fly my 2 BE 2's with a Vickers Gunbus for escort in the first few games if it suits the scenario. I could of course use my "named" pilot for the gunbus & then transfer him to scouts. I would appreciate your comments.
    In that case perhaps you'll need more observers Baz ? Put in a couple of observers as crew for your 'fighter' aircraft.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    In that case perhaps you'll need more observers Baz ? Put in a couple of observers as crew for your 'fighter' aircraft.
    Thanks Dave!
    I will name 3 Observers.
    Will PM you my list shortly & you can adjust Ranks & personnel as you see fit.

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    That will do me very well.
    Following Neils idea.

    I am picking up some of the participants who did not see much action last time around but still lasted to the end of the timeline in question.

    So in addition to our Squadron CO. Major Kyte.

    I have. Captain James Welland.
    2nd Lt. Peter van der Maren.
    2nd Lt. George "Buzz" Bumble NZ.
    2nd Lt. Arthur " Womble" Jessop.Aus.
    Sgt. Robin Bowman Obs.
    Sgt. Thomas Chittling. Obs.

    Hope that fills the bill for the Bulldogs Uncle.

    Kyte.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    ....Hope that fills the bill for the Bulldogs Uncle...
    Well it's not in a PM and there are no tandem crews Rob so not filling the Bill yet - also need to know who you're flying as ?
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    Doing an inventory of my unofficial WWI birds . . .

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    Finding a lot of the early birds on the list : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    Finding a lot of the early birds on the list : )
    I'll say! That's an air force you've got laying about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    I'll say! That's an air force you've got laying about!
    This is one of 5 boxes of Shapeways and scratch builts in the WWI collection. Its becoming embarrassing! Ill be spreading some of them among the campaigners on a lend lease basis.

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    I wonder if Snoopy and Woodstock are considered early or late war?

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    Default Runners & Riders

    I have started the 'runners & riders' for our scenarios in post #5 of the DYM Sticky - I already have two volunteers, if there is a particular date you want to write a scenario for let me know by PM & I will see if it can be accommodated; after a while I will be randomly filling the list as before.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Default Add Orcs .. I mean Odd Arcs !

    With all the different early types available we will likely see a number of differing arcs of fire as well as the standard arcs fore & aft. This will have to be tolerated as there may be different opinions on what is what so no fights in the Mess over them but lets share & learn.
    For instance did you know a BE2 could, and did, fire forward & upwards over the prop ?! (according to James McCudden).
    The FE2 cannot engage targets behind at the same level or below creating a massive blind spot but can engage them above and behind (I asked TVAL), hence the Lufbery circle defence, so bear that one in mind if using the type (or up against it). The front arc is massive though and these may be tough nuts to crack.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Managed to acquire 2 Albatros CIII's for Ł24. My early 2 seaters now expanded.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Finding a lot of the early birds on the list
    My, my David - that's enough to make one drool a bit What a lovely collection

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    With all the different early types available we will likely see a number of differing arcs of fire as well as the standard arcs fore & aft. This will have to be tolerated as there may be different opinions on what is what so no fights in the Mess over them but lets share & learn ...
    Will we be establishing ‘official’ cards and decks for the various non-Ares/non-Nexus aircraft?
    For example, I downloaded several conflicting versions of BE.2c and FE.2b from the links provided.

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    OK here's a thought. During the latter months of 1915 and the early months of 1916 is the time when the wind seemed to have had its greatest effect on the performance of aircraft. Prior to that time there was not a significant amount of fighting in the air. Later and engine performance began to nullify the effects. But for the period covered by "Daring Young Men", the wind could have serious consequences. Any aircraft flying west to east, in the prevailing westerlies, would have significantly increased speed in strong winds. Flying east to west would slow aircraft down considerably. Should we build this possibility in to the rules / scenarios, or is it a complication too far?
    Just an idea

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    The answer to that Mike, I would suggest, is the same as for clouds. If you fancy it try it, if not don't bother. I like games to be flexible enough to play around the scenario, not follow it rigidly. It is there for guidance rather than set in stone. Remember that if you get bogged down or fed up you will stop playing. The game is for you to enjoy. That is one reason I never fly against set pilots as my opposition. Just can't be fagged working out who is fit to fight. It's enough to try and keep an eye on your own chaps. Having said that i remember one game where the storm clouds rolled in as per the script and it was great fun to play.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Keeping track of all the planes attitudes to the wind and what planes get a speed bonus, detriment or neutral could be a bit of work?

    That said, if you come up with rules and put it in a mission I'll try it.

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    if you come up with rules and put it in a mission I'll try it
    I'll look into it Peter. Perhaps just for one mission it could be used. I'll see what I can come up with

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeemagnus View Post
    OK here's a thought. During the latter months of 1915 and the early months of 1916 is the time when the wind seemed to have had its greatest effect on the performance of aircraft. Prior to that time there was not a significant amount of fighting in the air. Later and engine performance began to nullify the effects. But for the period covered by "Daring Young Men", the wind could have serious consequences. Any aircraft flying west to east, in the prevailing westerlies, would have significantly increased speed in strong winds. Flying east to west would slow aircraft down considerably. Should we build this possibility in to the rules / scenarios, or is it a complication too far?
    Just an idea
    Complication too far.
    Some described getting back west at walking pace - thing is it applies to friend & foe alike so if applied here what does it achieve ?
    In a tumbling battle of the skies are we going to measure differently or use different cards because some chap happens to have the wind behind him for two seconds ?? Will we be flying sideways in a crosswind ? Do we want to be flying home at 1mm per card ? It is a veritable can of worms Mike.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Will we be establishing ‘official’ cards and decks for the various non-Ares/non-Nexus aircraft?
    For example, I downloaded several conflicting versions of BE.2c and FE.2b from the links provided.
    Not my intention or inclination.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Early months of 1916

    For the Eagles, try and remember that the Eindecker was prohibited from flying over the lines into enemy territory. It was on April 16th 1916 that an intact, brand new, Fokker was literally handed over to the British when a transporting pilot got lost and landed on the wrong side of the lines. Most 'over the lines' missions were carried out by 2 seaters. Interdiction and balloon protection on the German side was carried out by 2 seaters protected by Eindeckers. (The infamous KEK organisation).

    Verdun (Feb 1916) was initially a German victory in the air, then the French dominated by aggressive use of scouts to outnumber the German aircraft.

    Somme (July 1916) the British were very aggressive in their patrolling into German held territory to deny the Germans intelligence, even though by this stage the British aircraft were outclassed by the emerging Albatros scouts.

    Just a little to bare in mind when thinking of 'plots' for scenarios.

    Hope this helps, Neil
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    With all the different early types available we will likely see a number of differing arcs of fire as well as the standard arcs fore & aft. This will have to be tolerated as there may be different opinions on what is what so no fights in the Mess over them but lets share & learn.
    For instance did you know a BE2 could, and did, fire forward & upwards over the prop ?! (according to James McCudden).
    The FE2 cannot engage targets behind at the same level or below creating a massive blind spot but can engage them above and behind (I asked TVAL), hence the Lufbery circle defence, so bear that one in mind if using the type (or up against it). The front arc is massive though and these may be tough nuts to crack.
    Thanks Dave for that timely advice.
    There is also the Lewis mounting on the BE's that allow a 45 degree offset on L or R side to clear the prop a la the Bristol scout & the Wings TV series.
    Keith has/had a base available for these.

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    Question So who has signed on so far?

    Just wondering who has so far signed on for the new Campaign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Just wondering who has so far signed on for the new Campaign?
    Check the OTT sheet, Baz.

    Hint: 6 to 2 in favour of Bulldogs

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