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Thread: Special Pack #3 (Medium Bombers) on the Way...?

  1. #101

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    This is not a complaint, just thinking...

    Why release all these 2nd version of bombers instead of getting maybe a Japanese medium bomber or even do half fighter half medium bomber release? Is the SM79 really that crucial?

    Why not release a bomber/fighter pack with say a Ju88 and a FW190-A then a Do17 with a BF109G?

    I'm not being picky just trying to see why they don't go with much more enticing products for the general customer, not the converted fans?

    I hope the Pacific starts to get some love. Releasing the Pacific starter set just after the new MIDWAY movie is released would have been a smart move.

  2. #102

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    Well, I think they are deep roots in this. Not a fan of SM.79, but let me find some reasons:

    • Ares is an Italian company.
    • Whole game is strongly focus on European Theater right now. More than Pacific.
    • He.111 was a bestseller - another reason to stick to European Thater.
    • SM.79 joined BoB (once, true). After BoB Starter Set possible reason.
    • Andrea is developing torpedo rules.
    • And probably the most important: If you look on released minis, you would be surprised how many minis from Mediterranean Thatre were released. When a "newbie" started with a WGS he bought what was available that time - just Mediterranean. Surprisingly it gaves to him a lot of possible minis.

    Once more, I am not a fan of SM.79, I would like to see Wellington more than anything else, but these reasons I can see right now. I guess they will turn to Pacific more after releasing Midway Starter Set (already announced, unofficialy).
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  3. #103

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    Yes we get more cannonfodder for all the Spitfires & Hurricanes out there.

    I like the new series.

    ...and hope for some dive bomber capacities of the Ju88.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
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    ...and hope for some dive bomber capacities of the Ju88.
    That could be really interesting - we (me and Kubajs) are bringing a dive bomb mission to Doncaster this year, so we can see how funny dive bombing play can be (but just with Stukas, of course).

    PS: I guess you will dive bomb more precisely the important targets on British airfields
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  5. #105

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    Beg to differ but the SM79 is the only model I will probably buy. I like my Italians. Malta, North Africa and the Med in general. Bring them on

  6. #106

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    I, too, have always liked the SM79 - lots of great color schemes available for it, too, for repaints. But I like the other planes coming out in the release, as well...looking forward to the Dornier night-fighter version, especially...

    All the best,
    Matt

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    [*]SM.79 joined BoB (once, true)
    Do you mean Daniel, that a SM.79 was sent to participate to the Battle of England ?

    The only information I get about a Savoia Marchetti during BOB is a SM.75 used as transport aircraft (which is much more bigger than a SM.79).

    Planes of the Corpo Aero Italiano, used in BOB 1940-41
    bomber : Fiat Br.20
    fighters : Fiat Cr.42 - Fiat G.50
    With the transport element (twelve Caproni 133Ts, one Savoia-Marchetti S.75, with nine Ca164s for communications).

    Pictures and info : http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

  8. #108

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    So I probably missed it and changed with Fiat Br.20. Thank you, Monse, for correction - it is necessary to correct mistakes and not confuse others

  9. #109

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    Ju.88 and Do.17 are scheduled in October 2019.
    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products

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    They figure on Squadron Packs page.
    http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-wi...squadron-packs

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    Each Squadron Pack includes a decal sheet to customize it.

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    Dornier Do.17Z F1+FS-8./KG76

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    Dornier Do.17Z F1+FH-1./KG76

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    Dornier Do.17Z-10 R4+AK-2./NJG2 Pilot Hauptmann Erich Jung

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    Dornier Do.17Z-10 R4+LK-1./NJG2

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    Junker Ju.88 A-1 Wk.Nr 4136 3Z+BB Stab I./KG77

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    Junker Ju.88 A-1 3Z+HM-4./KG77

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    Junker Ju.88 A-4 Wk.Nr 1610-S4+BH /KGR.506

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    Junker Ju.88 A-4 Wk.Nr 2084-S4+OH-1./KGR.506
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  11. #111

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
    No SM79?
    SM.79 and Blenheim will be in a separate release, after the Ju.88 and Do.17.
    (information from Ares).

  12. #112

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    Those should re-spark the Battle of Britain and give the newcomers some targets for their RAF planes.


    And give my wallet time to heal from the recent WGF additions.

  13. #113

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    Thanks for that info and pictures Monse. That's my Christmas list sorted then.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  14. #114

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    SM.79 and Blenheim will be in a separate release, after the Ju.88 and Do.17.
    (information from Ares).
    This one is a sad news, but happy to have more German bombers. One is really not enough.

  15. #115

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    Wondering how they will change the colors of the prop spinners . . . .

  16. #116

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    Thx for posting the pictures, Monse!
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  17. #117

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    This side of the Channel Daniel, one is too many.
    Kyte.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  18. #118

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    Interesting perspective that didn't come into my mind before - thank you for it, commander.
    Here in Central Europe we have more experiences with B-17 (Pilsen) and P-51 & P-47 (especially steam locomotive drivers). I remember when I was a boy my grandfather (born '29) told me a story how they observed Germans hiding Stukas in wood close to the airfield. And there in is a pair of German high boots that a German soldier changed with grandfather for common shoes in May '45 in our cellar.

    Oh, I think I'm quite off-topic.

  19. #119

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    Great news, Monse - thanks for digging out the pictures and information on the German half of the release - I can see several of these making their way into my collection. And then the Italians and Brits will follow...

    All the best,
    Matt

  20. #120

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    Harry Materne, Matt56 and I were working in the Ares booth at Gen con this weekend running games. They had the bomber prototypes in a case. I asked the Ares staff and they were kind enough to open the case and let me get close up pictures of the airplanes. Roberto Di Meglio was in the booth when I was there. He said that these are rough pieces and they will be cleaned up for production. I took a picture of the underside of the one JU88 showing the torpedos.

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    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

  21. #121

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    Great pictures!

    Thx.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  22. #122

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    Excellent scouting report, Jim. Now we need torpedo rules.
    BTW, while you had Roberto's attention, did you ask about WGS series 7?????

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

  23. #123

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    Sorry, no I didn't I was thrilled to see these planes coming along.


    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

  24. #124

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    Interesting that there appears to be bombs and torpedoes on the night-fighter version? Am I seeing this correctly?

    Would a plane on a torpedo mission carry bombs, too? Or torpedoes on a night-fighter mission?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

  25. #125

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    I didn't look at them as closely as Jim did, but I wonder if they are planning on including both bombs and torpedoes in the box and allowing you to attach either or neither, just like they have done with the decals in the Battle of Britain recent releases? It would certainly be a nice way to handle things...

    But seeing them in person up close was a real treat - I look forward to purchasing several when they come out.

    All the best,
    Matt

  26. #126

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Interesting that there appears to be bombs and torpedoes on the night-fighter version? Am I seeing this correctly?
    Would a plane on a torpedo mission carry bombs, too? Or torpedoes on a night-fighter mission?
    That's the underside of the green one pictured above it Mike - you can see the tail of the torp in the pic, so not a night-fighter.

    "He is wise who watches"

  27. #127

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    Good news is they are getting closer.

    Thanks for the report guys.

  28. #128

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    Good gen Jim, gotta take the opportunities when we can !

    "He is wise who watches"

  29. #129

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Interesting that there appears to be bombs and torpedoes on the night-fighter version? Am I seeing this correctly?

    Would a plane on a torpedo mission carry bombs, too? Or torpedoes on a night-fighter mission?
    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    That's the underside of the green one pictured above it Mike - you can see the tail of the torp in the pic, so not a night-fighter.
    OK. Images in order of appearance in Post #120 above:

    WGS305A
    Junkers Ju-88 A-1 Bomber Left Side (Note the light blue edges on the wings and around the fuselage/empanage where the decals stop)
    Junkers Ju-88 A-1 Bomber Right Side

    WGS205A
    Dorrier Do-17 Z Bomber Left Side
    Dorrier Do-17 Z Bomber Right Side

    WGS205B
    Dorrier Do-17 Z-10 Night-Fighter Left Side
    Dorrier Do-17 Z-10 Night-Fighter Right Side

    WGS305B
    Junkers Ju-88 A-4 Torpedo Bomber Left Side (Note the black edges on the wings and around the fuselage/empanage where the decals stop)
    Junkers Ju-88 A-4 Torpedo Bomber Right Side
    Junkers Ju-88 A-4 Torpedo Bomber Underneath
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

  30. #130

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    What he said. Sorry i should have labelled the pictures.


    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

  31. #131

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodie80 View Post
    What he said. Sorry i should have labelled the pictures.
    I should be apologizing, not you, Jim. I jumped to an erroneous conclusion.

    Might have something to do with the Bf-109 E-3 (IMHO, factory E-7s for sure, and potentially some E-4 field mods) and Hurricane Mk I fighters that ARES released for the Battle of Britain, that never had bombs on them.

    Thank you for the images. They are awesome.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

  32. #132

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    Thank you for the great pictures, rep sent.
    By any chance, has Roberto notified that the cleaning up would concern the Ju.88 A-1 and the missing decal around the tail and on the junction of the wing and fuselage, compared to the official picture of this model on Ares website ?
    https://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-w...unkers-ju88-a1

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  33. #133

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    Thank you for your reports and photographs. Do you know whether the 'clean-up' will be tackling the grooves around the Dorniers' fuselages, please?

  34. #134

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    Sorry he did not go into details on what was to be adjusted.


    Here's to them what are like us. Damn few and they're all dead.

  35. #135

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    Thanks for the pics, chaps.
    Now we know what NOT to buy at least. I mean the night and night torpedo versions. No nightfight and no torpedo rules so far, the minis will be useless.
    Sorry for complaining on ARES policy again.
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    I‘m not shure if the Ju88 with the black belly didn‘t fly daylight torpedo attacks, too.

    On the other hand: The torpedoes are easy to remove.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  37. #137

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    I‘m a little afraid of bad surprises on the plane cards...

    Wrong or missing firing arcs, etc...
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  38. #138

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I‘m not shure if the Ju88 with the black belly didn‘t fly daylight torpedo attacks, too.

    On the other hand: The torpedoes are easy to remove.
    Good points.
    I noticed that as well, but did not want to doom the designer totally...
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  39. #139

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    Excelent job, Jim. Your pictures are far better then the official commercial ones on the Ares webpage

    Torpedo rules: Andrea is working on them - he tested them in Prague with SM.79 this year.
    Night rules: Not even a hint (we propose to put a large mirror on the garden and play during evening )

  40. #140

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    I'm pretty sure the Germans did some night torpedo work, esp late in the war. None for the BoB though. No torpedo missions then at all.
    Bombs are OK, as they did a fair amount of night intruder missions (until Hitler stopped them as a waste of resources, when they were doing good service disrupting the RAF bomber fields).

    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

  41. #141

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    A release is a release. I can see a lot of rework to make them acceptable here, but I have the elves to fill the gaps and match the paint,so bring them on. Something is better than nothing, it would be nice to get them before I lose use of my fingers though . . .

  42. #142

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    A release is a release. I can see a lot of rework to make them acceptable here, but I have the elves to fill the gaps and match the paint,so bring them on. Something is better than nothing, it would be nice to get them before I lose use of my fingers though . . .
    What is the purpose of publishing game pieces that should be reworked at the very start?
    I can hardly remember a game company publishing such expensive game pieces like night versions of the planes that are unplayable due to the lack of rules, while at the same moment the players community waits for years to get easily playable much cheaper toys? Of course I mean (as usual) Spit V, Bf 109F/G, Fw 190A, Corsair, Yak-3, Airacobra, Mc 202, MS 406...
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  43. #143

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    I totally agree my friend, I gave up thinking this was a ready to play game my first year in it, I now see it as a kits to be customized when ever they become available kind of hobby. My first mod to allow me to play was to replace the flattened rudder on my DRI . . .

  44. #144

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    A release is a release. I can see a lot of rework to make them acceptable here, but I have the elves to fill the gaps and match the paint,so bring them on. Something is better than nothing, it would be nice to get them before I lose use of my fingers though . . .
    I might buy one just to get the cards etc but otherwise I will stay with the Zvesda JU88 which is a nice little model AND CHEAP! I'd save the Elves a lot of work if I were you David.
    Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm. Winston S. Churchill

  45. #145

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    I might buy one just to get the cards etc but otherwise I will stay with the Zvesda JU88 which is a nice little model AND CHEAP! I'd save the Elves a lot of work if I were you David.
    Good point and tactics.
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  46. #146

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    I might buy one just to get the cards etc but otherwise I will stay with the Zvesda JU88 which is a nice little model AND CHEAP! I'd save the Elves a lot of work if I were you David.
    ^^^^^^ Sadly, what he said.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

  47. #147

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    I‘m a little afraid of bad surprises on the plane cards...

    Wrong or missing firing arcs, etc...
    I note that the ARES site examples don't have Ju-88 stands displayed, just graphic constructs. Hmmm...
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    The elves would laugh to hear that! They did a scratch Ju-88 and poured a dozen in resin years ago, a month later the Zvevda kits came out, we did 6 of those in several colors and did another 6 in variations with long wings, torps, night radar etc. All are sitting in storage boxes, never played. This waiting game has killed off all the players in my realm, glad to see it's still alive out there somewhere . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    The elves would laugh to hear that! They did a scratch Ju-88 and poured a dozen in resin years ago, a month later the Zvevda kits came out, we did 6 of those in several colors and did another 6 in variations with long wings, torps, night radar etc. All are sitting in storage boxes, never played. This waiting game has killed off all the players in my realm, glad to see it's still alive out there somewhere . . .
    I've had lots of use from my Zvesda JU88,s. BoB bombing London, anti shipping Torpedo runs, fighter variations versus Beaufighters and Beaufort. It is a lovely little model!
    I also had a similar experience when trying to identify and name all the German Destroyers at the battle of Jutland. Spent two years and many hours in the Imperial War Museum Library to finally get there only to see the full lists published in a Wargames Mag a week later! Annoying ain't it?
    I do have the full 'Grand Flee't and 'High Seas Fleet' in 1:3000th scale put together back in the 70,s! Rarely been used, the odd Squadron here and there but never got to do Jutland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    I've had lots of use from my Zvesda JU88,s. BoB bombing London, anti shipping Torpedo runs, fighter variations versus Beaufighters and Beaufort. It is a lovely little model!
    <img src=http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2554&dateline=1409073309 border=0 alt= />
    "We do not stop playing when we get old, but we get old when we stop playing."

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