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Thread: Special Pack #3 (Medium Bombers) on the Way...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    This is not a complaint, just thinking...

    Why release all these 2nd version of bombers instead of getting maybe a Japanese medium bomber or even do half fighter half medium bomber release? Is the SM79 really that crucial?

    Why not release a bomber/fighter pack with say a Ju88 and a FW190-A then a Do17 with a BF109G?

    I'm not being picky just trying to see why they don't go with much more enticing products for the general customer, not the converted fans?

    I hope the Pacific starts to get some love. Releasing the Pacific starter set just after the new MIDWAY movie is released would have been a smart move.
    It seems Ares Games has taken the desition of covering different War Theaters on each new series from now on. And now they are focusing on the Battle of Britain -- so they launched the BoB kickstarter, and the next bomber series involves all machines that had fought on that extended campaign -- including SM-79 which took part in The Blitz

    Now, the SM-79 also opens up to the torpedo-bombers series and then it is likely (maybe it's just wishful thinking) they next will move to the Pacific Theater. We will probably (fingers crossed) see a Midway Starterset ... with re-printing of Zeros and Wildcats, and US Navy and IJN dive bombers and new torpedo-bombers

    Now, if you ask me... I really would love to see a move to the Eastern Front with a "Kursk" startset with a Sturmovik, MiG-3, Fw-190A and a Tank-hunter version of STUKA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    ... And now they are focusing on the Battle of Britain -- so they launched the BoB kickstarter, and the next bomber series involves all machines that had fought on that extended campaign -- including SM-79 which took part in The Blitz

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    Do you have any documentation that the SM.79 was part of the Battle of Britain? Perhaps later in the war, but certainly not over England before 1941, if at all.

    Now, for the Mediterranean Theatre, the SM.79 is essential. With the few planes already released that are useable in that theatre, the new bombers will fit in well there, too, if repainted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    It seems Ares Games has taken the desition of covering different War Theaters on each new series from now on. And now they are focusing on the Battle of Britain -- so they launched the BoB kickstarter, and the next bomber series involves all machines that had fought on that extended campaign...
    I read this to literally and quickly clicked into Kickstarter to find the only recent Wings of Glory project: Wings of Glory - The Mechanical Pegasus (for Burning Man). The last Ares project was Tripods, but that was from 2017 with a July 2018 delivery so that project was completed a year ago.

  4. #154

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Do you have any documentation that the SM.79 was part of the Battle of Britain? Perhaps later in the war, but certainly not over England before 1941, if at all.
    I've read (somewhere) that they took part of the night bombing campaign after the main events. But I may be wrong -- or the sources I've read may have been wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Do you have any documentation that the SM.79 was part of the Battle of Britain? Perhaps later in the war, but certainly not over England before 1941, if at all.
    SM.79 didn’t participate to the Battle of England.

    The only information found about a Savoia Marchetti during BOB concerns a SM.75 used as transport aircraft (which is much more bigger than a SM.79).

    Planes of the Corpo Aero Italiano, used in BOB 1940-41
    bomber : Fiat Br.20
    fighters : Fiat Cr.42 - Fiat G.50
    With the transport element (twelve Caproni 133Ts, one Savoia-Marchetti S.75, with nine Ca164s for communications).

    Pictures and info : http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    SM.79 didn’t participate to the Battle of England.

    The only information found about a Savoia Marchetti during BOB concerns a SM.75 used as transport aircraft (which is much more bigger than a SM.79).

    Planes of the Corpo Aero Italiano, used in BOB 1940-41
    bomber : Fiat Br.20
    fighters : Fiat Cr.42 - Fiat G.50
    With the transport element (twelve Caproni 133Ts, one Savoia-Marchetti S.75, with nine Ca164s for communications).

    Pictures and info : http://surfcity.kund.dalnet.se/falco_bob.htm
    Thanks, Monse.

    Pretty much the info I had, but I focused on the combat planes. I missed the transport.

    As I see it, the SM.79 is in this release because ARES is an Italian company, and the SM.79 is an awesome addition to the line for any WWII Mediterranean Theatre aficionado. It served throughout the war. Not useful at all for a Battle of Britian set.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 07-23-2020 at 07:44.

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    We shall just have to use some 'artistic licence' and invent a scenario for the SM.79's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    We shall just have to use some 'artistic licence' and invent a scenario for the SM.79's.
    Ares has released P-40s, Reggiane Re.2001s, Fiat CR.42s, Gloster Gladiators, and some other planes that would fit with Malta or North African scenarios. No need for artistic licence. If you wanted to use Variant cards, you could fly Bf-109 Es as Fs.

    PS: Check the post here: General Overview of Released Minis - WWII (Mediterranean Theatre)
    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Ares has released P-40s, Reggiane Re.2001s, Fiat CR.42s, Gloster Gladiators, and some other planes that would fit with Malta or North African scenarios. No need for artistic licence. If you wanted to use Variant cards, you could fly Bf-109 Es as Fs.

    PS: Check the post here: General Overview of Released Minis - WWII (Mediterranean Theatre)
    Wow, I was quoted This list is for orientation, but Monse checked it several times, so it should be relatively OK

    In past times, dark ages of WoW, we did not care about Mediterranean Front and were buying just BoB, Pacific, Eastern Front. Then a player (Cartas?) come and bought the rest. Suprise, surprise, these were minis from Mediterranean and his scenarios worked very well. Do not underestimate this front, there is a potential in it

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    We have a couple Ohio players that run the Med also.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    Do not underestimate this front, there is a potential in it
    And those smart Italian designs: Fiats and Macchis!
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    Do you think we get one Mediterranian Blenheim Version?
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Do you think we get one Mediterranian Blenheim Version?
    Those are easy to get. I have some of armamentinminiature models painted in Finish colours.
    Painting in Med schemes would be a piece of cake for you.

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    Captain Kiwi and I have a Malta scenario coming up on the 21st of August.
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    My foray into WW2, when it happens, will be the Med - North Africa - and Italy 43-45...Love the SM79s as well as all the sleek Italian fighters (even if they are undergunned...) I am assembling models even as we speak.

    All the best,
    Matt

  16. #166

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    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products

    Bad news, WGS bombers release pushed to November

  17. #167

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    Hands up! Who believes that we'll see the bombers in 2019?

    Last edited by Marechallannes; 08-24-2019 at 07:13. Reason: bad spelling
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Hands up! Who beleives that we'll see the bombers in 2019?

    I'll believe it when they are in my hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saylug View Post
    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products

    Bad news, WGS bombers release pushed to November
    Roll for surprise......well a six!

    Karl
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    Disappointing, but not the end of my world.
    I will pre-order from Keith when he lists them.

  22. #172

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    No surprises there then.
    I can wait.
    That is all I can say.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

  23. #173

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    I am going to wait until they are on clearance at Miniature Market or on ebay anyway. My assumption is this series of airplanes will not sell well in the general US markets so will be available at deep discount somewhere. European theater is less critical for me anyway as 75% of my airplanes are either US or Japanese.

  24. #174

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    So, are we going to see massive price increases on this series in the USA due to the escalating “trade war” with China?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Toy taxes?
    They put tariffs on dice, even though the only ones made in the USA are casino dice; all others for gaming come from China.
    Karl
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    Since clearing the delay of Tripods & Triplanes from their production schedule, Ares has actually been fairly accurate in hitting their release dates. Once its in their newsletter as such, its probably going to be accurate. Naturally things do get riskier closer to Christmas or Chinese new year, But I will actually be surprised if the bombers are delayed from November.

  28. #178

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    Statistics are now printed on Ju.88 and Do.17 ´s bases.
    Specific maneuver deck, resistance and firing arcs for every model.
    https://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww2-w...squadron-packs

    Resistance / Maneuver deck / Firing arc

    DORNIER DO.17 Z : 24 / U / 6 (1 lower)

    DORNIER DO.17 Z-10 : 26 / Y / 3 (1 lower)

    JUNKERS JU.88 A-1 : 26 / XE / 3 (1 lower)

    JUNKERS JU.88 A-4 : 28 / XF / 4 (1 lower)

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    CCCBA - not a Bad punch for the Do 17 night fighter!

    Thx for posting!
    Last edited by Marechallannes; 09-13-2019 at 07:40.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

  30. #180

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    Bad news: WGS Bombers release moved to December
    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products

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    The U Manuever Deck finally makes an appearance! And, if I'm not mistaken, we have three new maneuver decks. The Y, and two slow bomber decks: XE and XF.

    The Do.17Z-10 is using the same canopy as the Z, and has the side canopy guns, but the arcs are not marked. Not a problem, as the extra guns could be cut away. The Ju.88 A-1 has a single MG mount on the aft canopy, whereas the A-4 has the dual MG mount, which is nice to see.

    The firing arcs are a bit different from our USC ones, but not really too different (except the gondola/ventral arcs).

    More MATES II cards will be coming...
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Pilot View Post
    Bad news: WGS Bombers release moved to December
    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products
    No real surprises there then Daniel.

    Maybe, just maybe, I might get a release in time for my birthday in March.

    On the other front Mikes news is most welcome because the new decks fill a gap that was needed.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    No real surprises there then Daniel.

    Maybe, just maybe, I might get a release in time for my birthday in March.

    On the other front Mikes news is most welcome because the new decks fill a gap that was needed.
    Rob.
    I never expected them to release them this year, I just hope if they don't get to it sometime this year, that they get to it sometime soon next year.

  34. #184

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    My thoughts exactly Daniel.
    Rob.
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    They'll be handy at "Salute" next year, if we need to put on a Battle of Britain game.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

  36. #186

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    CCCBA - not a Bad punch for the Do 17 night fighter!

    Thx for posting!
    CCB/CA rather. Still a good punch.
    Karl
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    i just noticed theyre painting the canopy frames this time. very impressive ares!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    The U Manuever Deck finally makes an appearance! And, if I'm not mistaken, we have three new maneuver decks. The Y, and two slow bomber decks: XE and XF.

    The Do.17Z-10 is using the same canopy as the Z, and has the side canopy guns, but the arcs are not marked. Not a problem, as the extra guns could be cut away. The Ju.88 A-1 has a single MG mount on the aft canopy, whereas the A-4 has the dual MG mount, which is nice to see.

    The firing arcs are a bit different from our USC ones, but not really too different (except the gondola/ventral arcs).

    More MATES II cards will be coming...
    New decks are always welcome. Firing arcs can be open to interpretation, so official ones are good too.
    Karl
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    Found something about a Bristol Blenheim armament of 5 machine guns.

    With a crew of 3, is there a possibility, that the Blenheim has 4 frontal guns?
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Found something about a Bristol Blenheim armament of 5 machine guns.

    With a crew of 3, is there a possibility, that the Blenheim has 4 frontal guns?
    It depends on the version. See the Mk.IV here:
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    The Dorsal turret could have one or two MGs, but usually one. The Ventral turret was controlled by the Navigator/Bombadier, and only fired to the rear, by use of a periscope-aiming system. It wasn't very effective, but could have one or two MGs. With the port wing forward-firing MG, controlled by the pilot, you have three positions controlling three weapon placements.

    My best guess at what that might look like, if put on a card:
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    PS: The Mk.V version above (top drawing facing view and side view) was a long-ranged Fighter version, with four MGs in an undernose mounting. With the wing MG, that, too, would be five MGs, fired by the pilot, but with an additional Dorsal turret.

    PPS: And before the Mk.V version, there was a Mk.IV(F) with the same nose armament. The Mk.V was up-engined, and with a different dorsal turret.
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 02-16-2020 at 23:13.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Found something about a Bristol Blenheim armament of 5 machine guns.

    With a crew of 3, is there a possibility, that the Blenheim has 4 frontal guns?
    Hallo Sven,

    The Blenheim Mk.IV had five .303 calibre machine guns, two in the dorsal turret, one in the port wing firing forward and two firing rearwards from a ventral pack under the cockpit aimed by the navigator using a periscope.

    The Blenheim Mk.IVF (and Mk.IF) night fighter did have five forward firing .303 machine guns, one in the port wing and four in a ventral pack under the fuselage where the bomb bay was usually located.

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    Ah, ok...

    So for the turret/ventral pack A/A / A and the front gun A/A too, I think.

    Ventral pack only shooting 1 level below, that's a small chance to hit a fighter with a half ruler.


    Those Blenheims will definitely spice up the BoB theater.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Mk IVF ventral MG container should be considered as fixed forward firing (aimed by pilot by steering ACFT) imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Ah, ok...

    So for the turret/ventral pack A/A / A and the front gun A/A too, I think.

    Ventral pack only shooting 1 level below, that's a small chance to hit a fighter with a half ruler.
    The nightfighter version was forward firing and could engage targets on the same level. That would be short range B damage, long range A damage. Not much compared with the Zerstörer

    All we need now are some Spitfire Mk.Vs and Messerschmitt 109Fs and we can play right through the 1941 Kanalkampf.

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    Do we know whether the Ares models will come equipped with either the rear firing ventral blister or the four gun belly pack? Thinking of the Zvezda models, their box cover shows the rear firing ventral blister but it was omitted from the kit.

    It would be good if there were 'clip on' options to allow different versions. Otherwise it means digging out the modelling putty.

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    Dornier Do.17 and Junkers Ju.88 are now scheduled for March 2020 on Ares Upcoming Products page.
    https://www.aresgames.eu/upcoming-products

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Do we know whether the Ares models will come equipped with either the rear firing ventral blister or the four gun belly pack? Thinking of the Zvezda models, their box cover shows the rear firing ventral blister but it was omitted from the kit.

    It would be good if there were 'clip on' options to allow different versions. Otherwise it means digging out the modelling putty.
    More opportunity to do Version cards or Equipment/Variant cards...

    From the image release, I think we are getting a Mk.I of some type, and a Mk.IV of some type. The images weren't good enough to tell about the undersides of either. At least the prototype models posted from Essen, last year (Gack! October, 2018, when this thread started!).
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 02-19-2020 at 00:13.
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    It certainly will be interesting to see what we get!
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    It certainly will be interesting to see what we get!
    Rob.
    Yes, I've ordered these Do17s and Ju88s so long ago it will be quite a surprise when they arrive. Then I'll pray for the Blenheims, not before.

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    If nothing else , the decks will be informative.
    Karl
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