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Thread: Special Pack #3 (Medium Bombers) on the Way...?

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    Still disapointed with a mold being wasted on a unpopular Night Fighter variant but happy that this release is Axis Centric as the Axis forces have only one bomber to the Allies three.

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    Where is it indicated that the Ju.88 is a nightfighter?
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Where is it indicated that the Ju.88 is a nightfighter?
    Karl
    I don't think it's a Ju-88, but rather one of the Do-17s, Karl. When this series was first announced, one of the Dorniers had a solid nose, and one of our members identified it as a night fighter variant, possibly a Do-217 IIRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    I don't think it's a Ju-88, but rather one of the Do-17s, Karl. When this series was first announced, one of the Dorniers had a solid nose, and one of our members identified it as a night fighter variant, possibly a Do-217 IIRC.
    The Do.17 looks a good bit different than the Do.217. I really hope they didn't think people would notice
    Karl
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    Thank you for those pictures, Daniel!

    I'm ok with a nightfigter variant.

    We have Beaufighters, Bf.110s & Lancasters.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Looks like the far right two-engine plane is the solid-nosed Dornier...

    Like Sven, I am okay with a night-fighter variant - but then, I find myself fascinated by that 'theater' of operations and want to fly some missions with various planes. Are those SM79s I see on the top shelf, far right? Very nice, indeed - I always thought that was a nifty looking bomber, and certainly essential to the Axis effort in the Med.

    I look forward to seeing the paint schemes for these

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    The Do.17 looks a good bit different than the Do.217. I really hope they didn't think people would notice
    Karl
    Probably a Do 17Z-7 or Z-10 variant, as I recall they both had solid noses.

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    New set of photos on WoG FB Page.

    Ares girl not included, I am afraid...

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    They certainly look as if they could soak up a bit of my money Daniel.(The aircraft I mean.)
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    New set of photos on WoG FB Page.

    Ares girl not included, I am afraid...
    Ah yes, Olivia. She runs things at Ares USA, with her father, Jim, in semi-retirement.
    Karl
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    I'll be buying quite a few of that little lot.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    I'll be buying quite a few of that little lot.
    No surprise there, my friend.
    Myself also

    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    I'll be buying quite a few of that little lot.
    I worked out 22 aircraft, better part of $1K there.

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    I'll do my share of keeping ARES profitable.

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    SM79!!! I love the damned hunchback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sashdash View Post
    Here are some pictures of the upcoming realeases for WGS.
    I have seen these on the Spiel 2018 game fair in Essen, Germany (25.-.28. October 2018).
    The seem to be prototypes of the Dornier 17, Bristol Blenheim, Junkers 88 and SM-79
    from the paned release in the 3rd/4th quarter 2019.





    You will find more pictures on my album.

    Have fun!
    Sascha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Where is it indicated that the Ju.88 is a nightfighter?
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    JU88 was a Multirole Aircraft, one of which was as a Night Fighter.
    Last edited by Rebel; 12-04-2018 at 15:15. Reason: Spelling correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    JU88 was a Multirole Aircraft, one of which was as a Night Fighter.
    I'm aware of that Reg; my question was where in the display did it indicate a Ju.88 was a nightfighter.
    Since the NFs had solid noses, and the bombers (mostly) had greenhouse noses, I would think that's a big enough difference that we wouldn't see both
    in the same release.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I'm aware of that Reg; my question was where in the display did it indicate a Ju.88 was a nightfighter.
    Since the NFs had solid noses, and the bombers (mostly) had greenhouse noses, I would think that's a big enough difference that we wouldn't see both
    in the same release.
    Karl
    Karl,
    Please note that Ares is releasing two versions of the Bristol Blenheim. A Mk I and a Mk IV. Radically different noses, same release.

    PS: From the above images, the Do.17 has the different noses, not the Ju.88.
    Mike
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    Good point Karl!
    However, I will settle for anything I can get in the Light to Medium Bomber range after all this time.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I'm aware of that Reg; my question was where in the display did it indicate a Ju.88 was a nightfighter.
    Since the NFs had solid noses, and the bombers (mostly) had greenhouse noses, I would think that's a big enough difference that we wouldn't see both
    in the same release.
    Karl
    Sorry Karl, just meant that as a JU88 it could be a Night Fighter. Just paint it black?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Sorry Karl, just meant that as a JU88 it could be a Night Fighter. Just paint it black?
    Not necessarily. Here is a excellent night fighter Sven did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
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    I'm ok with a nightfigter variant.

    We have Beaufighters, Bf.110s & Lancasters.
    ...and we have already rules for "Schräge Musik"

    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Karl,
    Please note that Ares is releasing two versions of the Bristol Blenheim. A Mk I and a Mk IV. Radically different noses, same release.

    PS: From the above images, the Do.17 has the different noses, not the Ju.88.
    Hopefully, the factory can handle the differences. Might need to re-glue noses a bit. (yes, I'm cynical......or at least experienced).

    Karl
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    Will they get around to releasing official torpedo bombing rules?

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    That would be really nice.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Will they get around to releasing official torpedo bombing rules?
    It would indeed. Can't really fight the PTO battles without torpedoes. Will US use a different damage draw than the Japanese to reflect their differences in reliability ? ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB401 View Post
    It would indeed. Can't really fight the PTO battles without torpedoes. Will US use a different damage draw than the Japanese to reflect their differences in reliability ? ;-)
    What I've done is for Japanese torpedoes is draw 2 chits and take the highest, early US draw 2 take the lower, later US same as Japanese. I use D chits for damage.

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    If they are going to sell us Dornier night fighter, perhaps they should release official night fighting rules also.

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    First pictures of Dornier 17 and Junker 88 painted samples.
    https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...5041&source=48

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    Thanks for posting the picture here, Monse!

    We non-Farcebook types salute you!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    First pictures of Dornier 17 and Junker 88 painted samples.
    https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbi...5041&source=48

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    This could be an expensive release ....

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    Yes an expensive release indeed, but I would have readily spend the money a year ago.

    They look good, a few touch ups required here and there but on the whole I am satisfied.

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    although the ju 88s could have four cannons mounted on the fuesalage usualy removing one of the rear guns

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    Probably a silly question but have we any idea what the prices will be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    Thanks for posting the picture here, Monse!

    We non-Farcebook types salute you!
    Hear,hear.
    All I need for a perfect recovery.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rebel View Post
    Probably a silly question but have we any idea what the prices will be?
    Not announced, but probably what the other medium bombers were; $25 or so.
    Karl
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    Yerh! But you always get much better prices than we do.

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    $25 per one would be nice, hope it will be on this level - these are the medium ones and look really tiny on the table (played with paper Andrea's SM.79 two weeks ago and I was surprised how small they are).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan-Sam View Post
    these look really tiny on the table (played with paper Andrea's SM.79 two weeks ago and I was surprised how small they are).
    Don’t worry, SM 79 and Ju 88 are quite the same size as the B-25.
    The Do 17 is a little bit smaller, with quite the same wingspan as the Beaufighter, but it is longer than the Ju 88.

    Heinkel He 111
    * Length: 17.5 m (57' 5")
    * Wingspan: 22.60 m (74 ft 2 in)

    North American B-25
    * Length: 16.13 m (52 ft 11 in)
    * Wingspan: 20.60 m (67 ft 7 in)

    Savoir Marchetti SM 79
    * Length: 16.2 m (53 ft 2 in)
    * Wingspan: 20.2 m (66 ft 3 in)

    Junkers Ju 88
    * Length: 14.39 m (47 ft 2.6 in)
    * Wingspan: 20 m (65 ft 7.5 in)

    Dornier Do 17
    * Length: 15.8 m (51 ft 10 in)
    * Wingspan: 18 m (59 ft 1 in)

    Bristol Beaufighter
    * Length: 12.6 m (41 ft 4 in)
    * Wingspan: 17.65 m (57 ft 10 in)

    Messerschmitt Bf.110
    * Length: 12.3 m (40 ft 6 in)
    * Wingspan: 16.3 m (53 ft 4 in)

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    Ares has had a couple of price increase since the last medium bombers were released. I'd expect these to retail around the $30~$35 mark, with my prices in the $25 range.

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    Given how long it has been without any product support this bomber release has lost all continuity with the BoB box and none of those airplanes are usable without fighters. I predict sales of these planes to be fair to poor in the United States so I will hold out for the clearance sales and look forward to the next release in 2023.

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    Ah ha! That's how I amassed my WWII collection. Our game suffers from its small cadre of true fans and the huge vacuos gamer world in which it strives to exist. I have observed most games have a two year lifespan due to the limited fan attention span and it requires a well funded game to survive longer. Ours lingers on the event horizon because of timely releases but one day the delay will miss the core and we will slip into the void. The hope a big release will pull us out and help us defy the inevitable gravity is tainted with the reality of the new games competing for our game tables and our moolah. This site has kept us together in spite of ourselves, yet if you study our history we are slipping . . . . where is my G & T . . . we really missed the fans when in the midst of our fantasizing dream boxed sets that we didn't go there. PTO, SCW, the ideas bloomed, but faded fast. Maybe some day . . . .

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    Does anyone know whether the Blenheims have the rear-firing barbette below the nose?

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    Can't tell from available images. Might not, as they weren't very effective, IIRC, and quickly removed in service.

    It will be interesting to see how Ares' cards look.

    Link: OldGuy59's WWII British Bombers Album - Blenhiem Mk IV w/ nose turret
    Link: OldGuy59's WWII British Bombers Album - Blenhiem Mk IV w/o nose turret

    If Ares doesn't produce the nose turret version, the card above can be used.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Thank you for the links to those Aircraft cards, Mike. They will be useful for members, who have the Zvezda/Blood Red Skies models.

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