Brandenburg W.13 game stats?

[The G Dog]

Just ordered several W.13 models for Reduced Aircraft Factory. Now realize that they are not listed in the compendium of 'unofficial planes'. Is it fair to treat it like the FBA type H, or did the W.13 have much better performance?

For example...

Manuever: G
Damage Points: 12
Gun: B / -
Two crew
Climb rate: 6

Based on...

Crew: 2 (pilot and gunner)
Length: 13.70 m (44 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 20.40 m (66 ft 11 in)
Height: 4.23 m (14 ft 11 in)
Gross weight: 2,850 kg (6,280 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Austro-Daimler 360hp, 270 kW (360 hp)
Performance

Maximum speed: 150 km/h (94 mph)
Range: 950 km (600 miles)
Service ceiling: 2,000 m (6100 ft)

Thanks!

[Zoe Brain]

Working on it now. From all accounts (from a serbian site - the serbs operated two untll the mid 20s) it was "stable" but with an unreliable and underpowered engine due to crap lubricants.

[The G Dog]

Agreed. It got so bad Austro-Daimler quit making the engines.

[OldGuy59]

With a top-down image of a plane, this drawing might turn into a card:



PS: Hmmm.... Reduced Air Factory has a different version:



Well, which ever one you post, that will be the one I use for the card.

[flash]

Some of the stats for the FBA type H might be close Ray. Unless you wanted it to Immel I'd have suggested the Y deck for the speed band it's in. If you have G decks spare to use then you could just take out the Immel to make it G* & go with that.
The Max Alt is 2km so that would be a 6 for this. Climb rate is an u/k but something shocking like a 8 perhaps as it sounds under powered ? It's a late build so might have a more robust construction that first appears. Looks very similar to Macchi M.5 so maybe a 15.

You'd end up with a target something like this:
Manuever: Y or G*
Damage Points: 15
Gun: B/-
crew: 2
Max Alt: 6
Climb rate:8

I'm sure Zoe will have a better idea of performance so I'm interested to see what she makes of it and to see how close I got.
Here's a deck comparison of the Y deck v G* deck that may help:

Deck Y (17) – Slow speed - 2.9cm - (arrow is 40% of the card)
3 straight
3 right turn
3 left turn
2 stall - steep
2 right sideslip
2 left sideslip
1 climb
1 dive

Deck G* (17) – Slow speed - 2.9cm - (arrow is 40% of the card)
3 straight
3 right turn
3 left turn
2 stall - steep
1 right sideslip
1 left sideslip
1 right sideslip - steep
1 left sideslip - steep
1 climb
1 dive

[OldGuy59]

With a top-down image of a plane, this drawing might turn into a card:



PS: Hmmm.... Reduced Air Factory has a different version:



Well, which ever one you post, that will be the one I use for the card.

OK. I might have this sorted out.

The top drawing is for the UFAG Brandenberg FB (Flying Boat). Fuselage numbers would be in the 200's. The lower drawing is for the Hansa-Brandenberg W.13:

Four different producers manufactured 130 airframes in five batches: Hansa-Brandenburg (German branch) K305 to K319 and K320 to K364, UFAG K365 to K422, Phönix K425 to K430, K432 and K433, and Oeffag K431 and K434. Not all of them entered the service due to lack of available engines.

Source: Wings of Serbia.com - Seaplanes of Bocche (pdf)

[ReducedAirFact]

Whatever stats I have at hand are on https://linen.miraheze.org/wiki/Brandenburg_W.13. The W.13 is substantially larger than a FBA Type H and that should reflect in its stats.

According to Haddows' Windsock Datafile 119, the W.13 "performed well, and in 1918 played a major part in carrying the war to the Allies [Entente] in the Adriatic theatre." The 350hp Austro-Daimler engine was an excellent performer whose biggest problem was lack of volume production. Rapp of Munich was contracted in Nov 1916 to build 15-20 per month, but by the end of the war they had only delivered 41 overall. Of the 134 Brandenburg W.13's built, 59 were placed in storage for lack of engines.

60 were built by Hansa-Brandenburg (K305-K364), 58 by UFAG (K365-K422), 30 were contracted from Phönix, contract later reduced to 10 (K425-K434), and maybe Oeffag built two from the Phönix batch. [same source]

[The G Dog]

Darryl/Zoe - Doe you think the W.13 is large enough to warrant a 'small giant' base? Or like the FF49C, the W.13 should retain the 'standard' sized base?

[ReducedAirFact]

Here are the wingspans of several WWI flying boats (in meters, rounded). While it's not a Felixstowe/Large America size, it's certainly in the next tier down.

Felixstowe F.3	31
Felixstowe F.2A	29
Curtiss H.12	29
Curtiss HS-2L	23
Brandenburg W.13	20
Georges Levy HB40	19
Curtiss HS-1L	19
Tellier T.3	16
FBA Type S	16
Donnet-Denhaut DD8	16
Lohner L	16
Grigorovich M.9	16
Levy-Besson Alerte	15
Grigorivich M.5	14
Donnet-Denhaut DD2	14
FBA Type B-H	14
Lohner M	13
Macchi M.5	12

[flash]

...Do you think the W.13 is large enough to warrant a 'small giant' base? Or like the FF49C, the W.13 should retain the 'standard' sized base?

At 20m you could consider the small Giant Base Ray - These are the pertinent points from Andrea:
"Wingspan is what determines the base size of planes (number of engines is not a factor).
The huge planes with wingspans of 29 metres and upwards (Staaken, Felixstowe, HP O/400, etc) have the biggest base (8cm x 11cm approx).
The big planes with wingspans of 22.2 to 24 metres (Caproni Ca.3, Gotha G.V, Friedrichshafen G.III, etc) have the medium size base (6.8cm x 8.8cm, exactly twice the width of a 'normal' fighter card).
Planes with a smaller wingspan up to an undefined maximum, a bit larger than the 14.36m span Bregeut 14 (including the 14.55m FE2 and the 15.24m AEG N.I) use the 'normal' fighter base. The exact maximum has not been defined."
Furthermore Andrea mentions the potential of a fourth base size (one and a half 'normal' cards wide) for those planes with a wingspan of approximately 17-18m (such as the Farman F.40 and the Caudron G.4), but since this base size was declined by Ares it's likely that such planes will have to go down to the 'normal' fighter size base or up to the medium (Gotha etc) size base, although which is not yet decided upon.
http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...t-bomber-stats

Maybe you could get Keith to custom make 'the fourth base size' and start a trend for those of you into the wider spanned machines !

[OldGuy59]

Candidate for a card:



With two crew, and no way to change places, I don't think a management card is required?

PS: Fuselage number would be K306 or K307, among others.

PPS: Kumbor, Montenegro, on the Adriatic Sea.

Sources for plane info:
Italian and Austro-Hungarian Military Aviation On the Italian Front In World War One, Alexis Mehtidis, 2008
Seaplanes of Bocche: The Story of Austro-Hungarian Naval Aviation in Southern Adriatic 1913 - 1918, Boris Ciglić, 2014 (Chapter 5)

[Flying Officer Kyte]

Another very professional card Mike.
Rob.

[ReducedAirFact]

Superb card, Mike!

[The G Dog]

Mike - You are the MAN!

[Zoe Brain]

16m and above wingspan is the small bomber base.
G* has been replaced by the Y deck.

[flash]

16m and above wingspan is the small bomber base.
G* has been replaced by the Y deck.

If that's a confirmed wingspan I can update the FAQ Zoe, is there something I can quote from Andrea ?