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    http://www.historynet.com/old-soldie...e=facebook.com

    Received this today and it was something I never knew. Good read. Enjoy

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    That was interesting, Bob. B-17's are not usually thought of as transports or ground strafers.

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    Love it! Thanks, reminded me I haven't done this scenario yet, "ELVES to the paint shop! Bring out a spare B-17 too!"

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    The PB4Y-1 (naval B-24s) however, did a lot of strafing and low level bombing, as did it's successor, the PB4Y-2.
    Not surprising they found such a use for the older B-17s.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Check out the book 'We Flew Alone' in the book reviews. All about the Navy B-24s and their missions over the Pacific. Mostly solo missions...(I hope to make a campaign for this)

    Follow up book 'Above an Angry Sea' I don't yet have.

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    Great story Bob!
    I did know we had B-17's operating out of New Guinea but had not heard about the Transport role they undertook.

    "Its a fine line indeed between going out in a Blaze of Glory or having Crashed & Burnt!"
    Member Australian Society of WW1 Aero Historians

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    Interesting read, thanks

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    Nice B17 story.

    Thx.
    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Interesting article.
    I knew a dozen B17s flew into Hawaii on December 7th during the Japanese attack. They were stopping off enroute to areas around the Philippines to be used as reconnaissance aircraft and other missions. I guess the other missions were straying ��.
    Now I have a new PTO mission for my B17s.

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    Some had mottled camo applied. I read that the paints were locally sourced automotive paints. So found a few color images and I just followed what was visible. This is an Academy Sky Giant 1/200 Model.

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    Very nice Tony. I have a couple books from Squadron that show different camo schemes used by the US before and when the war started.

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    Great job Tony. That is beautiful camo work.

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    What a gorgeous variation on the standard B-17's appearance, Tony! This looks just striking on the tabletop

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Good work on the camouflage, Tony, and on the card, Mike!

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    Now, just a few more days to sort out the firing arcs....

    Background: Guadalcanal north shore, courtesy of Google Earth and a bit of Photoshop.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Thought I posted this yesterday but here it is again. This is a scan for the Squadron book I have.

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    [Edit: Now with an 'E' version nose and waist gun positions!]

    Next, the Management Card...
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Done!
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
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    Next, the Management Card...


    one small problem. b-17es didnt have staggered waist positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    one small problem. b-17es didnt have staggered waist positions.
    Phillip,
    Do you have a top-down drawing of a B-17E?

    Even in the Comox Air Force Museum library, with around 10 books specifically on Flying Fortresses, none of them had a top-down drawing of this particular version. Lots of 'C', 'F', and 'G' models.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Phillip,
    Do you have a top-down drawing of a B-17E?

    Even in the Comox Air Force Museum library, with around 10 books specifically on Flying Fortresses, none of them had a top-down drawing of this particular version. Lots of 'C', 'F', and 'G' models.


    sorry. nothing in digital form. early fs should work as they didnt have staggered waist positions either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milcoll73 View Post
    one small problem. b-17es didnt have staggered waist positions.
    Had to go and hand-draw the nose and waist gun positions in Adobe Illustrator for an 'E' version, but now I have one.

    When searching, I did find this image on-line, identified as a B-17E:
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    The side view is an 'E', but the top-down view is definitely NOT an 'E'. I believe it to be a 'C' version, but unusable for a card. Which is why I had to hand-edit a 'G' version to get the 'E' above.
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Had to go and hand-draw the nose and waist gun positions in Adobe Illustrator for an 'E' version, but now I have one.

    When searching, I did find this image on-line, identified as a B-17E:
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    The side view is an 'E', but the top-down view is definitely NOT an 'E'. I believe it to be a 'C' version, but unusable for a card. Which is why I had to hand-edit a 'G' version to get the 'E' above.


    yes the top down view is either a c or a d. close enough for goverment work as they say lol!

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    https://www.ebay.com/itm/KORA-Models...IAAOSwwjRafxqk

    Check this page . . . Scroll through the image, there are top and bottom images : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/KORA-Models...IAAOSwwjRafxqk

    Check this page . . . Scroll through the image, there are top and bottom images : )
    Dave,
    Top-down images are not what I'm looking for, to make cards with custom paint jobs. What I need are the outline drawings of planes, in their various versions, so I can put the paint job under the lines.

    Cleaning all the extraneous parts of images away is actually more work than doing line drawings line-by-line. When I do that in Illustrator, I get crisp, clean panel lines at very high resolution. But, I only do that when I am absolutely desperate, as in the case above. I just couldn't find any drawings of an 'E' version, at any resolution.

    Like the drawing I posted above, identified as an 'E', but clearly the top-down view is not. I scoured the interweb for a few days, checked all my go-to sites, and none of them had a drawing of an 'E' version B-17, except that mistaken one. Darn!

    What I ended up using was the below illustration, on a layer below my Illustrator 'G' version, to piece together the 'E' for the card:
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    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59



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