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    Ok so having re-read the blind spot rules I have found my group may have been playing them wrong
    1) I knew that any of the ruler could not pass through the rear of the base of the firing plane.
    2) The rule book says "first half of the ruler", Doh! does that mean the long range shots can still be taken?
    3) I knew the ruler had to touch the centre peg of the shooting plane, the rule book says "connect the centre of the two-seater plane with the centre of the target in the rear arc", does that mean all of the rear gunners arc? We have been playing it that the rear gunner merely had to be able to hit any of the targets base. Doh!

    Can you guys clear this up for me? Cheers in advance!

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    I'll have a go Steven.... I think you have missed an important bit... or two.. !

    If the target is at the same or lower altitude*
    1. Lay the ruler peg to peg.
    2. If the ruler passes over the rear edge of the firer's base and
    3. Any part of the target's base is at short range
    Then the target is in the blind spot and cannot be shot at
    (* As with all rules there are some exceptions to this - Hannover being one of them)

    And yes, long range shots can be taken !
    Last edited by flash; 02-19-2018 at 10:58.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Does the centre of the base to centre of the base only apply through the rear quarter of the base or does it apply to the rear gunners complete arcs to the side also?

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    Roger Leader! P-Popsy commencing attack run! Cheers Dave! I'll come in with you to draw their fire!

    Damn it, now I've got to watch the Dambusters again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Popsical View Post
    Does the centre of the base to centre of the base only apply through the rear quarter of the base or does it apply to the rear gunners complete arcs to the side also?
    Only applies over the rear edge of the base mate - not the whole arc.
    Don't want him shooting his own tail off !!

    This might help:


    The Fokker D.VII cannot be shot because when measured from peg to peg the base is at close range and the ruler passes over the rear edge of the base. If the base was at long range he could be shot.

    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/do...do=file&id=297
    Last edited by flash; 02-19-2018 at 11:23.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Gotcha buddy! Cheers!

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    Must nottice... Poor Roland will be shot at from Breguet's frontal arc, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    I'll have a go Steven.... I think you have missed an important bit... or two.. !

    If the target is at the same or lower altitude*
    1. Lay the ruler peg to peg.
    2. If the ruler passes over the rear edge of the firer's base and
    3. Any part of the target's base is at short range
    Then the target is in the blind spot and cannot be shot at
    (* As with all rules there are some exceptions to this - Hannover being one of them)

    And yes, long range shots can be taken !
    Where can we find the exceptions to this rule explained please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biggles downunder View Post
    Where can we find the exceptions to this rule explained please?
    Usually in the blurb for individual aircraft models Wayne - ie the Giants instructions - or you can find some info here:
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...Aircraft-lt-lt

    Info on the Hannover is from Andrea: Hannover Cl.IIIa has also a reduced rear blind spot due to its special tail design: the blind spot is effective only against targets at lower altitude, while the sight to target at the same altitude is not blocked.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Usually in the blurb for individual aircraft models Wayne - ie the Giants instructions - or you can find some info here:
    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...Aircraft-lt-lt

    Info on the Hannover is from Andrea: Hannover Cl.IIIa has also a reduced rear blind spot due to its special tail design: the blind spot is effective only against targets at lower altitude, while the sight to target at the same altitude is not blocked.
    Hi Dave - thank you so much for that. I must admit I had forgotten that thread! I printed it off a couple of years ago but haven't checked back for a long time - what a comprehensive and valuable resource it has become!

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    Thanks Wayne, it's a living document that I've kept adding to.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Only applies over the rear edge of the base mate - not the whole arc.
    Don't want him shooting his own tail off !!

    This might help:


    The Fokker D.VII cannot be shot because when measured from peg to peg the base is at close range and the ruler passes over the rear edge of the base. If the base was at long range he could be shot.

    https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/do...do=file&id=297

    This looks good but the plane on the top right hand corner looks to be clearly outside the arc of both of the front and rear guns. So my interpretation is it cannot be shot at. Am I missing something here?

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    The target is the entire card, not just the picture of the plane within the card.

    The plane on the top right can be engaged by both front and rear guns of the central plane!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Okay yes, you are completely right. Brain fart on that one by me! Haha.
    Thank you.

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    The lines on the diagram (not my creation) are a little misleading but are there to show the line from peg to peg rather than the fall of shot.
    I have clarified this in the POI/FAQ in the rules sub-forum.

    "He is wise who watches"



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