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    Lightbulb Get your Mossie stats here

    OK, by popular request, here's what I came up with for our favorite wooden wonder. I didn't include unbuilt marks, or those marks that were differently numbered to indicate Canadian or Australian manufacture.

    Mosquito Marks:
    (From WWIIvehicles.com)
    •Bombers (B)
    Mosquito B Mk IV: High speed bomber that was unarmed. Entered service in May 1942. Mosquito B Mk IV Series 1: Shorter engine nacelles. Could carry four 250 lb bombs.
    Mosquito B Mk IV Series 2: Had longer engine nacelles. Could carry 2,000 lb (4: 500 lb) of bombs. Could carry two 50 gallon wing tanks in addition to the bombs.
    Mosquito B Mk IX: Bomber. Joined the Bomber Command in 1944. Could carry, in a modified bomb bay, a 4,000 lb / 1,814 kg bomb. Carried the bomb all the way to Berlin. Oboe (pathfinding radar) was installed.
    Mosquito B Mk XVI: Bomber. Could carry a 4,000 lb / 1,814 kg bomb. Pressurized cabin. Wing drop tanks.
    Mosquito B Mk 35: Bomber. Flew for first time in March 1945.

    •Fighters (F)
    Mosquito F Mk II: Did not have radar.

    • Fighter Bombers (FB)
    Mosquito FB Mk VI: Fighter bomber. Could carry two 500 lb / 227 kg bombs in bomb bay. First flew in June 1942. Entered service in March 1943 / early 1943. Those that were with Coastal Command mounted rockets.
    Mosquito FB Mk XVIII: Anti shipping. Mounted in the nose was a 57 mm Molins gun. Nicknamed the "Tse Tse." First flew in June 1943. Used mainly by Coastal Command. First action November 4, 1943.
    •Night Fighters (NF)
    Mosquito NF Mk II: Used as a night fighter with four 20 mm and four 7.7 mm guns. Entered service in May 1942. Had AI Mk IV or AI Mk V radar. The aerials were located externally on the nose (arrow heads).
    Mosquito NF Mk XII: Night fighter. 97 conversion from NF.II. Had AI Mk VII / Mk VIII radar in nose in place of the machine guns.
    Mosquito NF Mk XIII: Night fighter. First flew in March 1943. The AI Mk VIII radar was located in an enclosed nose instead of the machine guns.
    Mosquito NF Mk XV: Night fighter. Wings were extended to 62' 6" / 19.05 m. Pressurized cabin allowed a ceiling of 43,500' / 13,260 m. Armor reduced. Five were converted from B.IVs. Merlin 76/77 engines (1,710 HP) were installed. Armament was reduced to four machine guns.
    Mosquito NF Mk XVII: Night fighter. Used the American Mk X radar / SCR.720.
    100 converted from NF.II.
    Mosquito NF MK XIX: Night fighter. First flew in May 1944. Could carry the AI Mk VIII or American SCR.720 radar. Could use British or American radar.
    Mosquito NF Mk 30: Night fighter. High altitude. Could use British or American radar.


    Maneuver decks:
    Mosquito F Mk.II: E**: no 45 degree turns and no difficult side slips (one of the two sets).
    Mosquito F/FB/NF Mk.IV-Mk.XIX: Q** deck: no 45 degree turns nor extreme side slips.
    Mosquito B Mk.IV: Q** deck: no 45 degree turns nor extreme side slips
    Mosquito B Mk.IX-Mk.XVI: P** deck: no 45 degree turns, and only 1 set of side slips
    Damage:
    All Mks are 25 damage.
    Ceiling:
    The F/NF Mk.II and all FB Mks are ceiling 11.
    B Mk.IV: ceiling 9.
    B Mk.35 (very late war) and NF Mk.XV (5 built!) ceiling 14.
    Otherwise Ceiling 12.
    Climb:
    F Mk.II, B Mk.IV, all FB Mks, and NF Mks: Climb 5
    B Mk.IX-Mk.XVI: Climb 4
    NF Mk.XV: Climb 4
    Guns:
    All B Mks: None!
    All F/FB Mks (see exceptions), NF Mk.II: C-C-C-C-B/C-C-A
    NF Mk.XII-XXX: C-C-C-C/C-C
    NF Mk.XV: B/A
    FB Mk.XVIII: D-A/C (57mm QF gun)
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    OK. More work patching up my cards to match the stats.

    And yet another update to the Unofficial Stats spreadsheet, too.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Actually, I started a whole new sheet for planes to be done.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Gee, Mike, I hear crickets. I guess not many people were interested in Mossie stats after all.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Gee, Mike, I hear crickets. I guess not many people were interested in Mossie stats after all.
    Karl
    They are out there, but don't know it. The site is in the pendulum swing away from making minis towards just buying them. I have seen it many times. The focus of the group tends to go back and forth. When the promise of new planes rises, the interest in making them yourself wains. It will come back, supply and demand is in full swing. I am less affected, the new minis become a distraction for me and the elves, nothing like making your own for us! Thanks for all your efforts Karl and Mike! Three thousand cheers from the elves, then back to work, there are Ju88's and Do 17's to paint!! . . . before they get released any how . . .

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    So, do I go in and fix the cards, or wait for a new USC Sheet?
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Gee, Mike, I hear crickets. I guess not many people were interested in Mossie stats after all.
    Karl
    Ok, I'm not a cricket! I just saw this thread and love it. Thanks Karl.

    Now waiting for AIM to green light their Mossie models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    So, do I go in and fix the cards, or wait for a new USC Sheet?
    Go ahead, and fix the Mosquito cards, Mike.
    I'm getting pulled in a lot of directions right now, so when new UC planes are done is not known.
    Hopefully in a couple months. Requests would help prioritizing the lists.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Ooh Mossie cards....
    I had a couple of Clipper's a couple of years ago, which I fly on modified Q decks, but I can't remember getting a card for them.
    Mine are 633 squadron FB VIs of course
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    Thank you for compiling the comprehensive list, Karl. There were also the unarmed photo-reconnaissance versions, which did much valuable work relying solely on their speed to escape enemy aircraft. I have copied the following from Wikipedia.

    Photo-reconnaissance

    A total of 10 Mosquito PR Mk Is were built, four of them "long range" versions equipped with a 151 imperial gallons (690 L) overload fuel tank in the fuselage. The contract called for 10 of the PR Mk I airframes to be converted to B Mk IV Series 1s. All of the PR Mk Is, and the B Mk IV Series 1s, had the original short engine nacelles and short span (19 ft 5.5 in) tailplanes. Their engine cowlings incorporated the original pattern of integrated exhaust manifolds, which, after relatively brief flight time, had a troublesome habit of burning and blistering the cowling panels. The first operational sortie by a Mosquito was made by a PR Mk I, W4055, on 17 September 1941; during this sortie the unarmed Mosquito PR.I evaded three Messerschmitt Bf 109s at 23,000 feet (7,000 m). Powered by two Merlin 21s, the PR Mk I had a maximum speed of 382 miles per hour (615 km/h), a cruise speed of 255 miles per hour (410 km/h), a ceiling of 35,000 feet (11,000 m), a range of 2,180 nautical miles (4,040 km), and a climb rate of 2,850 feet (870 m) per minute.

    Over 30 Mosquito B Mk IV bombers were converted into the PR Mk IV photo-reconnaissance aircraft. The first operational flight by a PR Mk IV was made by DK284 in April 1942.

    The Mosquito PR Mk VIII, built as a stopgap pending the introduction of the refined PR Mk IX, was the next photo-reconnaissance version. The five VIIIs were converted from B Mk IVs and became the first operational Mosquito version to be powered by two-stage, two-speed supercharged engines, using 1,565 hp (1,167 kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin 61 engines in place of Merlin 21/22s. The first PR Mk VIII, DK324 first flew on 20 October 1942. The PR Mk VIII had a maximum speed of 436 mph (702 km/h), an economical cruise speed of 295 mph (475 km/h) at 20,000 ft, and 350 mph (560 km/h) at 30,000 ft, a ceiling of 38,000 ft (12,000 m), a range of 2,550 nmi (4,720 km), and a climb rate of 2,500 ft per minute (760 m).

    The Mosquito PR Mk IX, 90 of which were built, was the first Mosquito variant with two-stage, two-speed engines to be produced in quantity; the first of these, LR405, first flew in April 1943.[133] The PR Mk IX was based on the Mosquito B Mk IX bomber and was powered by two 1,680 hp (1,250 kW) Merlin 72/73 or 76/77 engines. It could carry either two 50 imperial gallons (230 L), two 100 imperial gallons (450 L) or two 200 imperial gallons (910 L) droppable fuel tanks.

    The Mosquito PR Mk XVI had a pressurised cockpit and, like the Mk IX, was powered by two Rolls-Royce Merlin 72/73 or 76/77 piston engines. This version was equipped with three overload fuel tanks, totalling 760 imperial gallons (3,500 L) in the bomb bay, and could also carry two 50 imperial gallons (230 L) or 100 imperial gallons (450 L) drop tanks.[135] A total of 435 of the PR Mk XVI were built. The PR Mk XVI had a maximum speed of 415 mph (668 km/h), a cruise speed of 250 mph (400 km/h), ceiling of 38,500 ft (11,700 m), a range of 2,450 nmi (4,540 km), and a climb rate of 2,900 feet per minute (884 m).

    The Mosquito PR Mk 32 was a long-range, high-altitude, pressurised photo-reconnaissance version. It was powered by a pair of two-stage supercharged 1,960 hp (1,460 kW) Rolls-Royce Merlin 113 and Merlin 114 piston engines, the Merlin 113 on the starboard side and the Merlin 114 on the port. First flown in August 1944, only five were built and all were conversions from PR.XVIs.

    The Mosquito PR Mk 34 and PR Mk 34A was a very long-range unarmed high altitude photo-reconnaissance version. The fuel tank and cockpit protection armour were removed. Additional fuel was carried in a bulged bomb bay: 1,192 gallons—the equivalent of 5,419 miles (8,721 km). A further two 200-gallon (910-litre) drop tanks under the outer wings gave a range of 3,600 miles (5,800 km) cruising at 300 mph (480 km/h). Powered by two 1,690 hp (1,260 kW) Merlin 114s first used in the PR.32. The port Merlin 114 drove a Marshal cabin supercharger. A total of 181 were built, including 50 built by Percival Aircraft Company at Luton. The PR.34's maximum speed (TAS) was 335 mph (539 km/h) at sea level, 405 mph (652 km/h) at 17,000 ft (5,200 m) and 425 mph (684 km/h) at 30,000 ft (9,100 m).[137] All PR.34s were installed with four split F52 vertical cameras, two forward, two aft of the fuselage tank and one F24 oblique camera. Sometimes a K-17 camera was used for air surveys. In August 1945, the PR.34A was the final photo-reconnaissance variant with one Merlin 113A and 114A each delivering 1,710 hp (1,280 kW).

    Colonel Roy M. Stanley II, USAF (RET) wrote: "I consider the Mosquito the best photo-reconnaissance aircraft of the war".

    After the end of World War II Spartan Air Services used ten ex-RAF Mosquitoes, mostly B.35's plus one of only six PR.35's built, for high-altitude photographic survey work in Canada.

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    Thank you, David. I would concur with Colonel Stanley on this one. Also, given their speeds, they really couldn't be caught and shot at in our game system
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Will you be assigning movement decks and other statistics for the photo-reconnaissance versions, please, Karl?

    If we ever get the Messerschmitt 262's in the game, they could catch the Mosquitos; indeed the first kill by an Me.262 was a Mosquito.

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    Right on time, Karl! I was just about to ask for the stats, 'cause my AIM Mossies Mk II F are crying for painting this weekend .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Will you be assigning movement decks and other statistics for the photo-reconnaissance versions, please, Karl?

    If we ever get the Messerschmitt 262's in the game, they could catch the Mosquitos; indeed the first kill by an Me.262 was a Mosquito.
    I can look into it; bear in mind we are getting into the realm past the fast decks. I have ideas, but they might be considered:
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    Karl
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    Why don't we ask Keith to produce some Mossie bases?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Right on time, Karl! I was just about to ask for the stats, 'cause my AIM Mossies Mk II F are crying for painting this weekend .
    I didn't have a decent NF Mk II line drawing....

    RAF 307 (Polish) Squadron:
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    Card to follow...
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Why don't we ask Keith to produce some Mossie bases?
    I would think it is the same as the Beaufighter Mk 1F stand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I would think it is the same as the Beaufighter Mk 1F stand?
    Is the front fire arc ok, Peter?
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    Fantastic work Karl. Can’t wait to be where you guys all are in my collection someday! I’m in awe!
    “Flying is hours and hours of boredom sprinkled with a few seconds of sheer terror!” Gregory “Pappy” Boyington, USMC”

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    First up. Pick it apart.

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    PS: Squadron Code and Plane letter: EW-R
    Last edited by OldGuy59; 02-24-2018 at 23:37.
    Mike
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    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Why don't we ask Keith to produce some Mossie bases?
    Keith already sells Mosquito Fighter Bomber bases. They have a front firing arc but you could use them with any Mosquito, if necessary.

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    Karl, you wrote:
    Maneuver decks:
    Mosquito F Mk.II: E**: no 45 degree turns and no difficult side slips (one of the two sets).

    Do you mean (I assume) that cards 7/18, 9/17, 13/18 and 14/18 should be excluded?

    Andy.
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    A cheap, but sufficient solution of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Karl, you wrote:
    Maneuver decks:
    Mosquito F Mk.II: E**: no 45 degree turns and no difficult side slips (one of the two sets).

    Do you mean (I assume) that cards 7/18, 9/17, 13/18 and 14/18 should be excluded?

    Andy.
    I'm sorry, but my excel file of maneuver decks doesn't list the card numbers;
    (having to do this on 2 different computers doesn't help: thanks Microsoft )
    >shuffles for a Yak deck<
    cards 7-10, and 13 and 14 are excluded.
    If someone would like to make a table of the decks, with the maneuver and card number, I'm sure rep would rain down on them
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    A cheap, but sufficient solution of mine.

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    That will certainly work. Reuse of bases is a hallowed tradition here, after all
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    OK, by popular request, PR model Mossies:
    Stats:
    PR Mk.I and Mk.IV: Q** deck: no 45 degree turns nor extreme side slips; . Ceiling 12, climb 3.
    PR Mk.IX and Mk.XVI: P** deck: no 45 degree turns, and only 1 set of side slips. Ceiling 13, climb 3.
    PR Mk.34: P** deck: no 45 degree turns, and only 1 set of side slips. Ceiling 12, climb 3.

    OK, a few notes here. First, the Mk.VIII. I don’t know where the performance figures everyone quotes came from, though I suspect they are from unloaded trials. Both the Mk.VIII and Mk.IX were based/converted from the B Mk.IV. So the Mk.VIII has 100hp less but can do 28mph more than the Mk.IX? Since only 5 Mk.VIIIs were made, we can discard that one.
    The Mk.34: it’s speed of 425 mph puts it above the range of the P deck. Note that the Mk.XVI’s 415 mph is at the upper edge of P. However, 425 mph would be 8.17cm straight arrow, which is 0.72cm longer than the P deck. So there are 2 options: use the P** deck, knowing that as one of the fastest decks in the game, no one can catch you in a chase, so unless they start in gun range, on your tail, flying in the same direction as you, you’ll get away. Option 2: scan the P deck, and print it out at 110%. We can call this the P(1.10)** deck.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    I'm sorry, but my excel file of maneuver decks doesn't list the card numbers;
    (having to do this on 2 different computers doesn't help: thanks Microsoft )
    >shuffles for a Yak deck<
    cards 7-10, and 13 and 14 are excluded.
    If someone would like to make a table of the decks, with the maneuver and card number, I'm sure rep would rain down on them
    Karl
    Karl,
    Hmmm.... Universal Solo Software for all Devices V1.0 - Out Now! Post #32

    I don't need more rep, and this file is now out of date. I could share this DropBox link, if you are interested?

    PS: Just revisited this file, and we only did the first four decks with card numbers. Almost all the decks are there, but only with the number of cards per maneuver, not the card numbers. This might have been more work than required for software programming, which is why we stopped there.
    Mike
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    Impressive work with the statistics, Karl.

    Remember that you sent me some resin planes. One of them was a Mosquito. I painted it as a nightfighter, that served in my "1944 Augsburg Raid" mission in Prague.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Impressive work with the statistics, Karl.

    Remember that you sent me some resin planes. One of them was a Mosquito. I painted it as a nightfighter, that served in my "1944 Augsburg Raid" mission in Prague.

    Indeed, the gift to you from Clipper. You did paint the Mossie up nicely.
    Karl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    Is the front fire arc ok, Peter?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    A cheap, but sufficient solution of mine.

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    Just a front arc for the Mossie.

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    Just saw this and thanks for the info on the Mossie. I have the unofficial stats and this now adds to them so thanks much for the effort you put into doing this.

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    My research was not entirely accurate. So, here's another Mossie card:

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    Many thanks, Mike.
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