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    Default Losing the love of this site.

    I am into WoG, and the Aerodrome for the history and airplanes, not science fiction of tripods, I find myself visiting this site less and less. I will be back more often when we get back to history and the airplanes. Other sites like the:

    www.theaerodrome.com

    and many other sites that keep to history and airplanes, wish you guys well and I will peek in so often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike George View Post
    ...wish you guys well and I will peek in so often...
    I hope you do Mike! I'll be posting some Tripod-free book reviews later this weekend... hope you stop in and check them out.

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    The flurry of Tripod frenzy will hopefully desist after the kickstarter campaign is over and delivered. I much prefer the historical aspect of this game but see the interest in it branching off into sci-fi. Once the newness has worn off I'm sure history will win out.

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    I guess I am one of the very few who swings both ways, I love historical (played Nappys battles, micro armor, WRG 7th tourneys, snotlaod of Avlon Hill and SPI games, and all sorts of other historical minis) but also like Sci Fi / Fantasy. So be it is SPAD on FOKKER or Triplane on Tripod it makes no difference to me. It is about the game and the opponants, not the rules or setting. That being said I understand some areas not interesting people (Never could get into Pike and Shot or 7 years war stuff, and anything more modern then Viet Nam war does not do it either) So after things calm down or we get our own thread section I am sure this will go away and you can enjoy WWI/WWII planes again undisturbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Once the newness has worn off I'm sure history will win out.
    I'm of the same mind.

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    Mike,
    The biggest reason I am all over this very radical departure from Aerial Combat is the table draw at conventions. Having done many appearances at different venues, it is the big objects that draw people's eyes to the table. Then, they come to check them out. Then, hopefully, they ask questions. And, if I answer them intelligently (not always, unfortunately), they get interested in the game.

    I have used Dave's [clipper1801] Zeppelin, and a custom-built 1/200 scale HMS Glorious aircraft carrier, and they drew people across the floor of convention halls. At family-friendly conventions and mall demos, I use Snoopy vs the Red Baron to bring in younger individuals, and insidiously attempt to hook the parents in the actual history.

    Then, Andrea put out the Tripod idea, and started working on it. From my point of view, despite having read more history books and aircraft profiles and technical manuals of historic themes in the last six years than in all the 37 years I served in the military, the Tripod thing is going to reach more prospective Wings of Glory players than I could reach with history. Flashy things on the table will draw eyes, etc... And at BottosCon 2017, I nearly stole people away from other board games with the War of the Worlds junk, that would never have happend with a purely historical theme and models.

    For the purists, this is all nonsense. Sorry for the inconvenience, Mike.

    For those trying to grow the game, and get more people involved, even if it uses a back-door approach to reel in the unwary, I applaud Andrea and his associates for giving me another tool to reach even more people at gaming/geek conventions.
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    The flurry of Tripod frenzy will hopefully desist after the kickstarter campaign is over and delivered. I much prefer the historical aspect of this game but see the interest in it branching off into sci-fi. Once the newness has worn off I'm sure history will win out.
    I agree - this T & T is like a holiday excursion.
    Once the trip is booked and paid for, real life will take over.

    The arrival of the Kickstarter will coincide pretty closely to the end of our Over the Trenches saga, so that will help in the "What now?" department.

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    Your choice, Mike.

    T&T brings us 3 new WGF planes and hopefully some new forumers.

    Can‘t see that this will change anything here.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    How about you just don't open the T & T posts. I, like you have no interest in that game but at the end of the day it is just that- a game.
    Not a valid reason for abandoning ship surely?
    I hope you can reconsider because there is a n awful lot on this forum to keep us all interested no matter what your preferences.

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    Sorry to hear this Mike.
    You could of course just press the ignore this thread button and continue to enjoy all the other things the site has to offer.
    It is always sad to see a member of long standing fall by the wayside.
    However, what ever you decide, do look in on us in the future and see how things are doing.
    Thanks for your input over the years.
    Rob.
    "Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Sorry to hear this Mike.
    You could of course just press the ignore this thread button and continue to enjoy all the other things the site has to offer.
    It is always sad to see a member of long standing fall by the wayside.
    However, what ever you decide, do look in on us in the future and see how things are doing.
    Thanks for your input over the years.
    Rob.
    What the Wing Co said...

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    Felt the same way as you when they first introduced WW2. Thought it would overwhelm the game and site, but fortunately WW1 stayed strong as ever, and it is fairly easy to avoid those discussions.

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    We heare are a bunch of friends, nothing is more important. Si-Fi or not, who cares... The gaming is not that important...people are!
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    I must be missing something. I see 1 thread talking about T&T and Mike loosing interest is in the Hobby Room not the Officers Club/WWI/WWII or other areas of discussion. just this week I posted 2 stories about B-17's and others have posted other stories and articles. If the T&T is not your interest don't look at that thread. Don't loose interest in this place just because of one thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    Just saw what Andy said after my last post.
    Bob, you know I proudly wear the badge you had given me at Origins 2013: "Yankee Friendship". It means much to me.
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    I have been able to meet a number of people from here and that is the great part of this site. The great friends that you get to meet.

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    Well evenwith the Tripods frenzy at its top, I estimate that 99.98% of the forum threads and 100% of downoadable files are for historical players. Sci-fi posts are a drop in the ocean.
    (Besides, I am with Nightbomber - who cares what, it's people that matter).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike George View Post
    I am into WoG, and the Aerodrome for the history and airplanes, not science fiction of tripods, I find myself visiting this site less and less. I will be back more often when we get back to history and the airplanes. Other sites like the:

    www.theaerodrome.com

    and many other sites that keep to history and airplanes, wish you guys well and I will peek in so often.
    G'day Mike!
    Please do drop in often & check out the action in the OTT Bitter End Solo Campaign.
    Lots of our Games are based on Historical events & we are now up to Mid 1918.

    I think that shortly there will be a separate Si Fi section including the Tripods so you will be able to ignore all posts on those subjects!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike George View Post
    I am into WoG, and the Aerodrome for the history and airplanes, not science fiction of tripods, I find myself visiting this site less and less. I will be back more often when we get back to history and the airplanes. Other sites like the:

    www.theaerodrome.com

    and many other sites that keep to history and airplanes, wish you guys well and I will peek in so often.
    Stick with it Mike, the chatter that dominates the Home page will lessen once the KS closes, in fact since you posted this it seems to have improved a little as people get back into posting on the historical topics.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    I thought about that too but then thought that we constantly rewrite history in our games anyway. So I ordered the tripods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
    I thought about that too but then thought that we constantly rewrite history in our games anyway. So I ordered the tripods.
    You did right, oh man!
    Let's kick those Martian as....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    Really awesome paint job Zoe.
    Totally agree.

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    I’m getting more warmed up to the Tripod ideas. It’s just one more way to enjoy my aircraft. I can always play historical games, but heck it’s nice to mix things up too now and again. My biggest gripe at this point is the resources being used to make this set instead of Series 10 and the original version of WGS series 7. The Kickstarter certainly helps offset some of the costs, I find it hard to believe it will cover all of them.
    Then again, if this a huge success and allows for more resources to be put into WIngs games in the future, then I will reap those benefits as well. That’s part of the reason I buy WGF as a completionist, even though I am a bigger WGS fan. I figure it can’t hurt and I certainly enjoy both games enough to justify the purchases.
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    Although I am a big fan of the book and Jeff Waynes musical version, rather than the two film and the tv series versions, I am afraid I am finding it difficult to be enthusiastic about this version of the game.
    I hope it does well, I really do, plus i would play, but cant bring myself to buy in as yet. If the mat had been a neoprine type, that may have swung me, but no , sorry not for me at this time.

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    I sympathize with the whole group. There is a lot of frustration on the availabilty of the minis to date. I must confess having joined years ago I began a systematic acquisiton campaign. I now have the lot in house with a number of duplicates. But that is no longer as possible a goal even for the most obsessed (of which I am among). Much of the tension on the site is over the availibilty/priority structures and lack there of. Much wishful thinking has filled our site, some sad realities of the manufacturing processes and costs. Still we endure to persevere. I recall the worry of WWII taking over the site, long passed, we have a WWII section. Then came the post war efforts into the land of jets . . . now the pages are trending towards Mars in many time slots . . . I see this as a general growth to our fellowship of the sky. Wonderfully the core is still the core, the people and the wonderful friendships around the globe attest to a deeper culture which I hope continues for generations to come. As a father of two professional table top game creators now overseas, I am reminded by them of the significant life WOG/WOW and now T&T seem to have. Many are the games that have crashed and burned on each side of the road, but we have been blessed with something that has gone beyond the lifetime of many games. Of that I am very joyful. As I pondered this thread and its many voices I began to wonder about this KickStarter thing. Over $60,000 raised in a few days by less than 600 faithful fans . . . could we possibly get a team to do something similar for the missing minis and reprinting the lost wings of the past? Could we dare say do one for WWI, WWII and so on? Just wondering out here in the land of no snow and many elves . . . oh and enjoying a contraband brew of Porter dark . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by clipper1801 View Post
    Over $60,000 raised in a few days by less than 600 faithful fans . . . could we possibly get a team to do something similar for the missing minis and reprinting the lost wings of the past? Could we dare say do one for WWI
    Now THAT is Kickstarter Campaign I would contribute to!

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    Now THAT is Kickstarter Campaign I would contribute to!
    Here’s the push I would get behind too! Excellent idea Clipper

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    Mike,

    Several of us don't like the idea of the new T&T version of Wings. Does that mean we are leaving the Aerodrome because of it, no. We just aren't putting our money into it.
    As some on here have said, T&T will probably have its own section similar to WWII and post WWII has, so if you don't like it you won't have to visit that section or just ignore the thread that discusses it.
    Sorry Andrea, I thoroughly enjoy Wings of War and now Wings of Glory, but T&T just doesn't feel right to me for some reason. I'm not sure if I'd be more interested if it was placed in the early 1940s or not.
    And because of lack of available planes I'm now buying mine from AIM and painting and decalling them for game use.

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    The thing that I am finding interesting is because there are three threads on the whole board that cater to the KS people are leaving the site...seems silly to me that over 99% of the site is historical but they are keying on 3 threads they do not like. You want pure historical?...then do not look at those few threads...simple answer and no one gets upset. Continuing to concentrate on those threads just means you are trying to force your opinions on others who are more open minded to non historical ideas. Like I said before, I am mainly historical...but that being said I also enjoy Sci Fi. This is a rehashing of the war of the worlds setting that caused panic why back when on the radio..In a sense this setting IS historical.

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    Please have a look to add-ons and to stretch goals. You can notice Ball's Ni.16 - perfectly historical. And Kissenberth Camel - historical too. I guess that more will be seen, if the Kickstarter progresses well. They will be not printed on their own, it would not be worth. They are hints that together with the Tripods, at the same time, there will be reprints of Ni.16 and balloons, and of the whole Series 1 with - as ever - both old and new schemes. Sideby effects of the campaign that will immediately benefit historic players. T&T adds new strenght to the Wings of Glory team (as two world-famed designers) and new strenght and visibility to the line.
    Besides, reprints of the DH2/Morane/E.III/Halberstadt series is on the way too, and the Campaign pack that will give them more sense is in the final stages of editing. Some trust please, and you will see fruits of this all even on 100% historic tables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Besides, reprints of the DH2/Morane/E.III/Halberstadt series is on the way too, and the Campaign pack that will give them more sense is in the final stages of editing. Some trust please, and you will see fruits of this all even on 100% historic tables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Some trust please, and you will see fruits of this all even on 100% historic tables.
    Despite that Ares hasn't given me every kite and pilot I've wished for, I believe that a little trust is more than in order, Andrea.

    We're a passionate bunch, and impossible to please 100% due to our varying interests by war and theater. Now, this is nothing you don't know already... but, regardless, I want to give you and Ares my vote of confidence... and thanks for where we are today.

    Thank you, and keep those wonderful little planes coming!

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    What Chris said!
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    Would you ladies and gentlemen like to see a dedicated T&T section on the site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Would you ladies and gentlemen like to see a dedicated T&T section on the site?
    Where is it, Herr Oberst?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Would you ladies and gentlemen like to see a dedicated T&T section on the site?
    That might be for the best, Keith. Barring that, what about an "Alternate Science" (?) section that could include T&T as well as other non-historical discussions...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    That might be for the best, Keith. Barring that, what about an "Alternate Science" (?) section that could include T&T as well as other non-historical discussions...
    IMHO, since the 3&3 is a standalone game of WoG family, equal to WGF and WGS it deserves a separate section, Chris.
    If we put it into a broader section it would dicrease it's status.
    2 cents of mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Well evenwith the Tripods frenzy at its top, I estimate that 99.98% of the forum threads and 100% of downoadable files are for historical players. Sci-fi posts are a drop in the ocean.
    (Besides, I am with Nightbomber - who cares what, it's people that matter).
    Pretty much my attitude. If you don't want to participate in a given thread, then don't. Plenty of history here, with a whole slew of related forays into games design, modelling, etc, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    Would you ladies and gentlemen like to see a dedicated T&T section on the site?
    Yes I think thats a great idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    That might be for the best, Keith. Barring that, what about an "Alternate Science" (?) section that could include T&T as well as other non-historical discussions...
    This is a good idea. With Dragons, King Kong and Cuthulu being gamed, I'm sure other variations will pop up. A place for all this 'Alternate Science' would keep it together and easily found.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    IMHO, since the 3&3 is a standalone game of WoG family, equal to WGF and WGS it deserves a separate section, Chris.
    If we put it into a broader section it would dicrease it's status.
    2 cents of mine.
    Perhaps a Tripods & Triplanes sub-forum with an 'Alternate Science' section within it would fit the bill better. Puts it all under one roof without sharing the headline of the sub-forum and gives those alternate science chaps a place to call home too.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Perhaps a Tripods & Triplanes sub-forum with an 'Alternate Science' section within it would fit the bill better. Puts it all under one roof without sharing the headline of the sub-forum and gives those alternate science chaps a place to call home too.
    What about just calling it "Non-historical" since it has little to do with science per se. That would even allow those that want to battle WGF v. WGS

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    I'll second that motion, Dave! I like the idea of keeping all the 'Alternate Science' stuff in one spot, and putting it under a 'Tripods and Triplanes' banner would fit nicely.

    While I enjoy the AS aspect of the game - it does make for eye-catching reactions at conventions - I wouldn't have gotten there without the WGS version of the game, and that's my first love. I would never give it over to play AS scenarios more than potentially 'historical' games, but the AS makes for an enjoyable diversion on occasion.

    With dragons and King Kong and Cthulhu and now Martians, we are developing a nice body of sci-fi scenarios that need a place to call home. I could foresee Godzilla in the future, too, should the right model of the lizard present itself - probably better suited to late WW2 or Post-war, but it would be another eye-catcher, without a doubt.

    I hope once the dust settles Mike will find his way back to what he enjoys most about the Forum - there really is so much here to recommend that...

    All the best,
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    Your choice, Mike.

    T&T brings us 3 new WGF planes and hopefully some new forumers.

    Can‘t see that this will change anything here.
    What three new planes?

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    I would go with a non-historical section. Of course, then there's the dotted line between alt-historical and sci-fi/horror.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fast.git View Post
    Despite that Ares hasn't given me every kite and pilot I've wished for, I believe that a little trust is more than in order, Andrea.

    We're a passionate bunch, and impossible to please 100% due to our varying interests by war and theater. Now, this is nothing you don't know already... but, regardless, I want to give you and Ares my vote of confidence... and thanks for where we are today.

    Thank you, and keep those wonderful little planes coming!
    I will Second that!
    Thanks Andrea for all you have managed to supply.

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