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    Hi Guys,

    With the latest bomber release due out next year sometime and Ares confirming this will round off the BoB wave we can look ahead with some excitement towards to the PTO releases.

    Series 7 seems to either be in limbo or cancelled altogether so they can follow a similar release structure to that of the BoB range. So I thought it would be constructive to talk about what we would like to see in the Starter set if it hasn't already been confirmed, squadron packs and bombers etc.

    Not only minis but what Pilots and color schemes would you like to see?

    All suggestions welcome as usual and hopefully this thread can even be a reference point for Ares themselves.
    Last edited by Canestri10; 12-06-2017 at 19:51.

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    Could be the Med packs?
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    From a starter set standpoint, similar in concept to BoB, where do you place it within the war in the Pacific? China/Southeast Asia pre-Pearl? The opening carrier war (Coral Sea, Midway)? Guadalcanal, or perhaps a general Solomons Campaign? Battle of Britain goes for a defining, recognizable campaign, with the balance of the war on a knife edge, and the planes still being able to be used for earlier battles (Norway, France). In the Pacific, I think Guadalcanal best fits that mold. It’s a defining campaign - perhaps not as defining to the national character that BoB was, but within the overall context of the war - you have iconic early war planes, you have a variety of missions that can flown, and the planes can be used either side of the actual period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn Patrol View Post
    From a starter set standpoint, similar in concept to BoB, where do you place it within the war in the Pacific? China/Southeast Asia pre-Pearl? The opening carrier war (Coral Sea, Midway)? Guadalcanal, or perhaps a general Solomons Campaign? Battle of Britain goes for a defining, recognizable campaign, with the balance of the war on a knife edge, and the planes still being able to be used for earlier battles (Norway, France). In the Pacific, I think Guadalcanal best fits that mold. It’s a defining campaign - perhaps not as defining to the national character that BoB was, but within the overall context of the war - you have iconic early war planes, you have a variety of missions that can flown, and the planes can be used either side of the actual period.
    I think its more or less been confirmed as a Midway Starter set containing 2 Zeros and 2 Wildcats. Unless there's a sudden shift I wouldn't expect this to change.

    As for the squadron packs, if they follow the BoB release we can expect both a Zero and Wildcat single pack with optional markings then in my modest guess I would say we would see an Avenger and a Kate in the the other 2 squadron packs to mirror those of the Hurricane and Stuka.

    For the bomber release, again if we mirrored the BoB release we might see 4 bombers, possibly a Marauder, Betty, Nell and a Liberator???

    I really hope we don't see any Devastators.
    Last edited by Canestri10; 12-07-2017 at 14:48.

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    Infact just going over what I said that wouldn't interfere at all with the release of Series 7 if it were to happen, would be great way to fill in many of of the PTO gaps while it's being released.

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    Apparently there were fifteen different types of aircraft involved in the Battle of Midway. Some of them were only used in small numbers in that battle. Here is a website giving the details.

    https://www.militaryfactory.com/airc...y-aircraft.asp

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    I hope the Wildcats come with decals for the red and white tail stripes and red dots in the star used up to and during the Coral Sea period. Doing that would help combine the battles and cover a little greater time period, especially if Ares does go with Devastators at Midway. You could then run battles at Pearl Harbor, Tokyo (Doolittle), Coral Sea, and then Midway. Early Guadalcanal would blend right in with the Wildcats and Dauntless aircraft and then continue to grow from there. Here's wishing for P-400's Bettys and Liberators.

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    I hope they do a slightly different model than the war in Europe because many Japanese planes have been poor sellers. I think doing some theme combos would be a great idea. For example, an Operation Vengeance box with Betty+Zero and x2 P-38s (I have posted this elsewhere). Zeros will be the best Japanese sellers so offering them individually will be important, and with Wildcats is a great idea.

    On the other hand, I think they could just release the Corsair as a totally random, out of nowhere, stand-alone airplane with enough stickers to create a squadron and it would outsell the entire upcoming BoB bomber set in the United States.

    One problem I see is by the time Ares get to the Pacific the models currently available may no longer be around...

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I think its more or less been confirmed as a Midway Starter set containing 2 Zeros and 2 Wildcats. Unless there's a sudden shift I wouldn't expect this to change.

    As for the squadron packs, if they follow the BoB release we can expect both a Zero and Avenger single pack with optional markings then in my modest guess I would say we would see an Avenger and a Kate in the the other 2 squadron packs to mirror those of the Hurricane and Stuka.

    For the bomber release, again if we mirrored the BoB release we might see 4 bombers, possibly a Marauder, Betty, Nell and a Liberator???

    I really hope we don't see any Devastators.
    Midway is probably the most recognizable selling point they can use. Guadalcanal or Solomons could be any number of events, but Midway speaks specifically of planes. I’d still say that Guadalcanal makes for a better mix of campaign missions, but in the end, the planes would probably still be two Zeros and two Wildcats, and still be useful for both. Hey, I’ll be happy either way.

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    John Thach's VF-3 off the Yorktown for the Wildcats; he first used his 'Thach weave' during their attempt to defend Len Massey's Devastators in their attack on the Japanese carriers. As for the Zeroes, I'd like to see either Kaga or Soryu's A6Ms, as they were among the aircraft deployed in the strike on Midway Island--Nexus did an Akagi Zero, while Hiryu's aircraft get a lot of attention because she survived the first USN attack, although it was her Vals and (especially) her Kates that drew blood for the Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    I hope they do a slightly different model than the war in Europe because many Japanese planes have been poor sellers. I think doing some theme combos would be a great idea. For example, an Operation Vengeance box with Betty+Zero and x2 P-38s (I have posted this elsewhere). Zeros will be the best Japanese sellers so offering them individually will be important, and with Wildcats is a great idea.

    On the other hand, I think they could just release the Corsair as a totally random, out of nowhere, stand-alone airplane with enough stickers to create a squadron and it would outsell the entire upcoming BoB bomber set in the United States.

    One problem I see is by the time Ares get to the Pacific the models currently available may no longer be around...
    The Vengeance box sounds like an awesome idea. Maybe even a dogfight box with an Oscar and a Corsair. Would be an excellent way to get the Jap planes to sell like crazy and "force" people into starting a bit of a Japanese collection. I use the word force in the nicest (evil marketing) way possible haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    John Thach's VF-3 off the Yorktown for the Wildcats; he first used his 'Thach weave' during their attempt to defend Len Massey's Devastators in their attack on the Japanese carriers. As for the Zeroes, I'd like to see either Kaga or Soryu's A6Ms, as they were among the aircraft deployed in the strike on Midway--Nexus did an Akagi Zero, while Hiryu's aircraft get a lot of attention because she survived the first USN attack, although it was her Vals and (especially) her Kates that drew blood for the Japanese.
    Getting Thach's plane would be epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    Could be the Med packs?
    Neil do you mean Mediterranean packs?

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    Yes I did, sorry for any confusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    Neil do you mean Mediterranean packs?
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    I support having John Thach's Wildcat as one of the models.

    I hope that the new Zero's will have corrected statistics and movement decks and, if the Midway packs are funded by a Kickstarter, perhaps an 'Add On' could be a pack of 'correction cards' for the Nexus Zero's.

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    If we are getting a '41-'42 Pacific release, I'd love to see the Chinese/Burma theater developed as well. Carrier battles are great and all but at the time we are looking at basically two fighter designs and a whole bunch of Scout/Dive/Torpedo bomber designs. Mainland Asia could bring in the Ki-27, A5M, Ki-43, P-36, P-43, P-40, Buffalo, CW-21, I-16, and numerous Japanese and Allied medium bombers and attack aircraft to the table. Throw the Philippines (my wife would love that being part Filipino herself) into the mix and you can add the P-35 and P-26.

    Now several of the aircraft I listed served in very limited capability which brings up another point that I think is touchy to many here in the group.

    ARES NEEDS TO RELEASE CARD ONLY DECKS!!!!!!1!!!!

    Ares is missing out on a great opportunity to make money between the model releases. Give us the cards so we can have new and exciting decks for planes that didn't serve in great enough numbers to really necessitate a mini sculpt and we will pay money for them. I would happily buy eight decks for the P-36 alone so I could field two flights, one French to fight Bf-109Es and one Chinese to fight any future Zeros. Those would easily tide me over while waiting for the more Iconic fighters to come out in Mini form!

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    Did I miss the memo? I do not remember Ares ever announcing a PTO release. Are we asking or just hopeful?

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    Only hints, not promises...

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.

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    Would a 'Bombing of Japan' series be popular containing B-29 Superfortresses, P-51Mustangs and many different Japanese fighters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Would a 'Bombing of Japan' series be popular containing B-29 Superfortresses, P-51Mustangs and many different Japanese fighters?
    Not that many Japanese fighters; but one could have a C6N with a "Schrage Musik" installation, as Japan built a few of those.

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    Many interesting thoughts. I have asked about decks for a long time. I have the BOOSTER PACKS that NEXUS did so have cards to use for the I-16 (AIM) that I have. Karl did an outstanding job of putting together a list of OFFICIAL and NON OFFICIAL planes. I keep that list close for the info on the Japanese/Italian and US aircraft I get to increase my forces.

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    Hellcats, Corsairs and Seafires could be used in a 'Stop the Kamikazes' scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Hellcats, Corsairs and Seafires could be used in a 'Stop the Kamikazes' scenario.
    I would LOVE to see some Hellcats. Infact I think I want them even more than Lightnings.

    My top 5 PTO list is

    1. Corsair
    2. Hellcat
    3. Lightning
    4. Avenger
    5. Kate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I would LOVE to see some Hellcats. Infact I think I want them even more than Lightnings.

    My top 5 PTO list is

    1. Corsair
    2. Hellcat
    3. Lightning
    4. Avenger
    5. Kate
    Pretty much the same for me, but move the torpedo bombers to the top.

    Oh - and add a Betty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Canestri10 View Post
    I would LOVE to see some Hellcats. Infact I think I want them even more than Lightnings.

    My top 5 PTO list is

    1. Corsair
    2. Hellcat
    3. Lightning
    4. Avenger
    5. Kate
    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Pretty much the same for me, but move the torpedo bombers to the top.

    Oh - and add a Betty.
    I've given up waiting for what I really want and paint my own. I have some of all of the above. (Avengers almost finished) I know a lot of you don't paint but I think you should give it a try. Yes, the first few planes will be butt ugly but they do get better and better with each one. Soon you will be quite pleases and have the fleets you so dearly want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I know a lot of you don't paint but I think you should give it a try.
    Going to start with the BE.2Cs and FE.2Bs I bought for WGF - just took delivery of 3 the BE.2 along with some crews, including standing Lewis gunners for the FEs.
    If that works out I may start looking at AIM for some WGS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumptonian View Post
    Going to start with the BE.2Cs and FE.2Bs I bought for WGF - just took delivery of 3 the BE.2 along with some crews, including standing Lewis gunners for the FEs.
    If that works out I may start looking at AIM for some WGS.
    Go for it Pete! You dont need to be a De Vinci or Monet. Especially the real early WW1 aircraft .Clear doped linen for BE 2's Avros, Gunbus's etc.

    Betty's & Lily's can be all over green & Dauntless & Avengers Light blue over grey.
    Some samples to show how simple they can be!

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    Thanks for the inspiration, Baz

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    Sometimes even an "official" airplane needs some corrective paint when Ares does not produce the iconic version.

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    I know the Dauntless version and paint job may be slightly out of time but it was a therapeutic exercise.

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.

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    Great painting, Barry and Scott!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    I've given up waiting for what I really want and paint my own. I have some of all of the above. (Avengers almost finished) I know a lot of you don't paint but I think you should give it a try. Yes, the first few planes will be butt ugly but they do get better and better with each one. Soon you will be quite pleases and have the fleets you so dearly want.
    The bigger problem is the maneuver decks. While I think I've done an alright job with unofficial aircraft, I would really like the Master's opinion. There are just too many gaps in performance for some planes to fall through.
    Also, I feel I need to go back and look at them again, with wingloading, P/W and stall speeds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    Sometimes even an "official" airplane needs some corrective paint when Ares does not produce the iconic version.

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    I know the Dauntless version and paint job may be slightly out of time but it was a therapeutic exercise.
    Looks amazing! You have really just highlighted just how bad Ares' decisions can be. This version should have been a lock in for final production. The French one was a complete disaster.

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    I thinkt the path is clear.

    Starter Set with 2 Wildcats and 2 Zeroes.

    Additional 1 Val dive bomber, 1 SBD Dauntless, 1 Wildcat & 1 Zero squadron pack.

    The Dauntless will be 100% a Midway coloured plane, because we do not get those with the other Dauntless bombers.

    I don't think we'll see the Pacific stuff before 2019.

    Voilą le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    I accept your projected date and weep...

    I definitely want to see Wildcats and Zeros back in print and a corrected Dauntless. The problem we run into with symmetrical Pacific releases is there are some airplanes that do not sell. Case in point: Clearance Val at Miniature Market. Despite my quest to acquire x2 of every Series 1 Pacific airplane as well as select Stukas from Series 2 and Warhawks from Series 3, I am not even tempted to add those to the x3 I own... actually I lied, I am, but the fact that they are still around says something. Not the same story as the Series 2 German version of the Stuka.

    I really hope Ares thinks creatively and breaks convention a bit while keeping to the general format of the BoB releases. A wild option would be a Wildcat and 2 Vals packaged as a Pearl Harbor set with Wildcat and Zero squadron pack. The box would include ship and carrier templates/terrain with additional rules to support them as interactive elements. Additional squadron packs support the scenarios in historical sequence, including Midway, with Operation Vengeance as the culmination. It would be worth waiting for the P-38 if they did it this way. IMO, it is the best way to represent the history and make all models interesting.

    Something I just thought of regarding a three flyer Wildcat-Val-Val box. There is precedent:

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    Final thought: I am tempted to try to get a high quality 1/200 scale Corsair produced then Kickstarter it as a standalone item just to prove to Ares that they could bankroll other adventures in aircraft production from that one model with decal support. Not going to happen, but it is fun to dream...

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    I accept your projected date and weep...

    I definitely want to see Wildcats and Zeros back in print and a corrected Dauntless. The problem we run into with symmetrical Pacific releases is there are some airplanes that do not sell. Case in point: Clearance Val at Miniature Market. Despite my quest to acquire x2 of every Series 1 Pacific airplane as well as select Stukas from Series 2 and Warhawks from Series 3, I am not even tempted to add those to the x3 I own... actually I lied, I am, but the fact that they are still around says something. Not the same story as the Series 2 German version of the Stuka.

    I really hope Ares thinks creatively and breaks convention a bit while keeping to the general format of the BoB releases. A wild option would be a Wildcat and 2 Vals packaged as a Pearl Harbor set with Wildcat and Zero squadron pack. The box would include ship and carrier templates/terrain with additional rules to support them as interactive elements. Additional squadron packs support the scenarios in historical sequence, including Midway, with Operation Vengeance as the culmination. It would be worth waiting for the P-38 if they did it this way. IMO, it is the best way to represent the history and make all models interesting.

    Something I just thought of regarding a three flyer Wildcat-Val-Val box. There is precedent:

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    Final thought: I am tempted to try to get a high quality 1/200 scale Corsair produced then Kickstarter it as a standalone item just to prove to Ares that they could bankroll other adventures in aircraft production from that one model with decal support. Not going to happen, but it is fun to dream...
    I'm afraid the Wildcat vs Vals Pearl Harbor combo might be a little too wild an option for Midway, Scott, as the F4F was not a factor in that battle--the only USN aircraft involved in the air were SBDs flying into Pearl off the Enterprise, and they were mostly having to deal with friendly fire. A better set for Pearl Harbor would be a P-40C (in either Lt Welch or Taylor's markings) and two Vals, although more as a standalone set, since that combination in turn wouldn't be relevant for Midway--no P-40s took part in that battle.

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    Good point about the P-40s being better for Pearl. Funny, I did not consider the Warhawk since I just played this on Pearl Harbor Day 2017:

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    Forgetting about the better things in life like this is a symptom of working too much. Avoid it!

    However, the picture above shows another possible three airplane combo!

    There will be some planes left behind as you move along the timeline. As long as there are common threads it still works. The Zeros and Vals will be solid flyers for a variety of historical events after Pearl Harbor. It is all spitballing at this point...

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down.



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