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    Default Question on British WWII insignia

    What is the correct way to put the lettering on the WWII British aircraft? I've seen pictures with the lettering on both sides put on in different ways. With three letters does two letters always go between the Roundels and cockpit on both sides or does the unit designation, example MD go on the same side of the roundel, thus having the roundel further forward on one side than the other. Or did different units do it how ever they chose?

    Example:
    Left side
    Cockpit MX Roundel A Tail
    Right side
    Cockpit AX Roundel M Tail

    Or
    Left side
    Cockpit MX Roundel A Tail
    Right side
    Cockpit A Roundel XM Tail

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    I think there is a rule that squadron code letters must be together. Isn't it?

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    And here is a List of RAF squadron codes - it could also helps.

    PS: Of course, of the pilot was a Wing Leader (or even a Squadron Leader?) he has a right to put there just his iniciais.


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    May be best to look at pics of the sqn you want to do in the time frame you want to do them Dale but generally its sqn code/roundel/aircraft id





    but not always !

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Dale I have to agree with those remarks. I know the squadron code (two letters) are always together but as Dave said I have seen the squadron letters in front or behind the rondel as seen in the photos Dave posted. Also have to thank Daniel for finding that list and posting it.

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    And in the name of sanity: Do *NOT* ask what "duck-egg blue" looks like.... :)

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    As near as damn it the background colour of these posts with a splash of green added of course......ooh to start a controversy...

    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    And in the name of sanity: Do *NOT* ask what "duck-egg blue" looks like....
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    And in the name of sanity: Do *NOT* ask what "duck-egg blue" looks like....
    Oh, I understand...
    ...Tempest prop cone, remember I It well?

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    The pictures Dave posted are a good reason to ask.
    I am planning on doing at least 4 planes and was wanting to know before I did them and decalled them, just to have someone say, that is improper.
    I've seen pictures like both the ones Dave posted and that is why I was unsure as to how to go.
    Thanks for the info guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    And in the name of sanity: Do *NOT* ask what "duck-egg blue" looks like....
    Sort of like PC 10?

    "Its a fine line indeed between going out in a Blaze of Glory or having Crashed & Burnt!"
    Member Australian Society of WW1 Aero Historians

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    Pretty much, you need a photo of the particular plane on a specific day to tell exactly what any plane had for markings.

    I was researching No. 1 Squadron RCAF Hurricanes, and between April and November changed roundels, squadron code markings (from none to YO), to putting up fin flashs (from nothing), to changing the undersides from white, to white/black, to duck-egg blue-ish. I went with what was on the planes in June-ish (type A.1 upper wing roundels: yellow, blue, white, red), and then decided that it was too unusual and went with August-ish (type B: blue, red).
    Mike
    "Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
    "Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59

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    While we are at it, I have wondered about the upper wing roundels on the Nexus Douglas Bader Hurricane.
    Shouldn't they be two-color blue with red center?
    The ones they used look like under wing roundels (and too small) to me

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    You're not wrong Pete.
    Used on camouflaged aircraft in all positions from Summer 1938 until superseded by Type A.1 roundels. Used on upper surfaces of many aircraft until 1947.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Air_Force_roundels

    "He is wise who watches"

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Pretty much, you need a photo of the particular plane on a specific day to tell exactly what any plane had for markings.

    I was researching No. 1 Squadron RCAF Hurricanes, and between April and November changed roundels, squadron code markings (from none to YO), to putting up fin flashs (from nothing), to changing the undersides from white, to white/black, to duck-egg blue-ish. I went with what was on the planes in June-ish (type A.1 upper wing roundels: yellow, blue, white, red), and then decided that it was too unusual and went with August-ish (type B: blue, red).
    And the quote from "The Paintwork Incident" from before WW1 pops to mind....

    [ http://www.nmrn-portsmouth.org.uk/si...ontroversy.pdf ]

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    Quote Originally Posted by csadn View Post
    And the quote from "The Paintwork Incident" from before WW1 pops to mind....

    [ http://www.nmrn-portsmouth.org.uk/si...ontroversy.pdf ]
    Interesting story Chris.

    "Its a fine line indeed between going out in a Blaze of Glory or having Crashed & Burnt!"
    Member Australian Society of WW1 Aero Historians

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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Interesting story Chris.
    Sign of a military which hasn't fought an existential conflict recently.



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