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    Where are the BRS AAR's being posted? I would like to read some.

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    You Tube, BGG, does BRS have a forum, if so then there perhaps ?

    "He is wise who watches"

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    I've been tinkering with BRS since my starter box arrived last week. Lasercutting tokens, range rulers, etc. to convert the game to 1/100th scale. (I have most of what I want for the BoB in that scale already, having collected a number of the old Axis and Allies Air Force minis.)

    But while waiting for the laser to finish its merry dance this afternoon, I began to consider; How well would BRS work as a set of massed combat WW1 rules?

    I've usually found WoW is great fun for small actions, and rightly so — its emphasis is on manoeuvre, rather than BRS's focus on morale. But I really would like to have a go at a big dogfight, 20+ machines, in a game that resolves inside of a couple of hours.

    I'm enamoured with a lot of the mechanics in BRS. Through them, there's a feel that the game regards the aircrew as the most important component in a warplane, and that's an angle I'm really pleased to see in an air combat game. It also plays pretty fast, without much bookkeeping or turn-slowing procedures.

    But... will it porte outside of WW2?

    The first change that comes to mind is to limit Firepower: FP2 for twin MGs, FP1 for single mounts.

    Turns could be up to 90°, rather than 45° in most cases...

    That's as far as I've gotten so far. If anyone else has contemplated the same thing, I'd be delighted to hear their thoughts.

    - Martin

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    Hi Martin,

    !/100 planes WWI planes?

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    Hey there, Gary!

    Not First World War, mate, but Second. The Axis and Allies Air Force series was entirely focused on WW2.

    They're not the best minis ever made, but they are good enough to serve after some detailing, repainting and decalling.

    All my WW1 machines are 1/144th. Mostly WoW, although I picked up a bunch of Shapeways SE5a's earlier this year. I like the idea of fighting the Squadron-level patrol actions that became more common in 1918. 12-18 aircraft a side would be a bit of a struggle with WoG, unfortunately.

    By the way, I'll be running BRS at Garrison next Monday night, if you're free and fancy giving it a go.

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    That is Monday 4th at what time please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxter View Post
    That is Monday 4th at what time please?
    Yes, and I should be there just after 7.00.

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    I tried to resist that one, but finally bought the starter set here for a price just little higher than a price for a single Lancaster (and you surely know what I personally think about WoG Lancaster).
    Some nice components and 12 minis plus three cardboard bombers (Blenheim/Do-17) seem to be more than acceptable. Have not played a game so far, but I like the way the game handles "altitude" issue. My concern was also the overlapping, but there can be nothing like that (ufff!, knowing how confusing it can be). The planes are very good gaming pieces, not models, but are ok.
    Read the basic rules and they seem to be enough for casual gaming. You do not use virtually any cards and the gameplay shall be pretty fast paced.
    I like the dice and rules for deflection shooting (easy ones) and tailing. They try to reflect real flying without annoying details.
    Morale as a victory condition - a new concept, quite all right to me.
    I do not think I will expand the system...until they publish Fw 190A...then will buy Yaks 1s...
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    I've had my starter box sitting on a shelf for 2 months. No time to play
    However i am a member of the FB group and people seem to talk really nicely about the game.

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    Warlord Games deserves a shout-out for this; After handling the graphics for the 'Beta' cards for the Blood Red Skies FB group, I cheekily asked if Warlord could pay me in aircraft! Well - they did! I only asked for a box of Zeroes, but they threw in Saburo Sakai and some decals, too. Very nice of them!

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    I think the following post from the BRS Ready Room FB page is interesting on multiple levels. First and foremost, I really appreciate Warlord Games transparency regarding process and choice. On a more macro scale, I find the explanation of the metal vs plastic production methods fascinating. If it takes a year for a basic plastic model think about how long it must take for Ares to produce a complete, ready to fly model (with clear canopy and propellers no less!). Finally, METAL WILDCATS, Woo-hoo!!!

    Here is the quote (FB formatting is ugly):

    Ok may be a good time to explain the difference between production in metal rather than plastic. (Caveat as I understand it) Once a master is made, which a talented modeller can do, or you can CAD 3d print a master, you make a master mould with silicone rubber, and duplicate the master a dozen or more times. That isn't a long process and crucially it uses skills and technology already available at Warlord HQ in Nottingham. Those copied masters are used to make a production mould - usually in a more durable silicon, and once that cures it can be used to spin metal models, I would guess at a dozen or more at a time. When casting you need to let the mould cool between spins but assuming you have several moulds going at the same time you can cycle through multiple times an hour. The whole process, from having the original master to having a production capable mould could (I cant do italics) be completed in a matter of days. The technology to do it is also well established - in fact most of us here could manage to spin cast in the garage with some limited investment. We would lack the skills needed to do it well, but it is doable. Warlord have literally decades of built up skill with spin cast metal, and all the machinery and equipment needed too. Metal is a medium they are comfortable with and have control of the production process - if a mould fails they get the mould squad to make a new one and 24 hours later theyre back in production. Plastic on the other hand requires a whole step change in technology and equipment. The moulds for plastic are steel, and very expensive. The process in creating a mould for plastic is long and fraught with the possibility of expensive cock ups. Actual production usually happens abroad (read usually China) which adds unbelievable layers of complication, confusion and delays due to communications and shipping issues to mane a few. Warlord don't have the capacity to produce plastic models on site - they have a partnership with Italeri to do most of the heavy lifting and actual production for their 28mm plastic stuff. All that taken into account means as a general rule of thumb a plastic model will take a year going from concept to stock. I prefer plastic, but that means waiting. I'm not good at waiting.
    Here is the next box of airplanes I am buying:

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    I welcome metal airplanes with open wallet.

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. -Jimmy Doolittle

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    To my mind BRS is a real challenge for our WGS system. I own it and plan to play it soon. Well, at least Warlord does not spend resources to produce useless models, like Lancasters.
    I am sorry, Lancs lovers. It is a beautiful plane, but a waste of resources...
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    Sounds like Andrzej is turning to the dark side. Having said that, another source of aircraft is always welcome, especially if they produce types that are not otherwise available. Metal is fine for smaller types (not too heavy) if converting them for WGS.

    Was a bit disappointed that the last lot of ‘new releases’ turned out to be Zvezda re-treads.
    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    To my mind BRS is a real challenge for our WGS system. I own it and plan to play it soon. Well, at least Warlord does not spend resources to produce useless models, like Lancasters.
    I am sorry, Lancs lovers. It is a beautiful plane, but a waste of resources...
    Don't worry, Warlord is just as likely to produce useless models as Ares. The Mosquito is a case in point, and the much commented inclusion of the P51D in the first wave of releases. Warlords's release schedule seems to be dictated in part by what the senior managers think is "Cool" and not really related to the needs of the player base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    I think the following post from the BRS Ready Room FB page is interesting on multiple levels. First and foremost, I really appreciate Warlord Games transparency regarding process and choice. On a more macro scale, I find the explanation of the metal vs plastic production methods fascinating. If it takes a year for a basic plastic model think about how long it must take for Ares to produce a complete, ready to fly model (with clear canopy and propellers no less!). Finally, METAL WILDCATS, Woo-hoo!!!

    Here is the quote (FB formatting is ugly):



    Here is the next box of airplanes I am buying:

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    I welcome metal airplanes with open wallet.
    I wrote that - its not official from Warlord but I think it is a reasonable summation.

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    Yes, good stuff you wrote.

    Curious about one thing. Why do you dislike the Mosquito as a choice?

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. -Jimmy Doolittle

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    Don't worry, Warlord is just as likely to produce useless models as Ares. The Mosquito is a case in point, and the much commented inclusion of the P51D in the first wave of releases. Warlords's release schedule seems to be dictated in part by what the senior managers think is "Cool" and not really related to the needs of the player base
    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    Yes, good stuff you wrote.

    Curious about one thing. Why do you dislike the Mosquito as a choice?
    First off, I love the Mosquito as a plane, in all its variations.

    However, as a gaming piece in WoG, it's a non-starter for me. Its entire design, as a bomber, was to avoid fights, and not have to defend itself.

    Within scenarios for WoG, that means bombing scenarios against AAA, and outrunning any scrambled fighters.

    V1 intercepts? Possible, but not much more than a solo (one-sided) game, IMHO.

    Nightfighting scenarios could be considered, but have playability issues for me.

    And, as a Fighter-Bomber, or intercepter, you have the Beaufighter issue, with horrendous firepower in the front end, which will usually shred anything that gets in front of it. Again, playability come to mind.

    As one of the fastest planes of the war, it needs an even bigger maneuver deck than the current 'Fast' planes, IIRC. However, that sets us up for the Me.262, so, not necessarily a bad thing.

    PS: it will need a bigger box, like a heavy fighter or bomber, so a bigger maneuver deck will fit in that box. And it won't be produced as part of a series, but most likely as a 'Special Pack'. More production costs?
    Mike
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    What he said!

    I won't be getting any Mossies for WGS - they are as unusable as a Lancaster (which I also won't be getting any more of).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    I think the following post from the BRS Ready Room FB page is interesting on multiple levels. First and foremost, I really appreciate Warlord Games transparency regarding process and choice. On a more macro scale, I find the explanation of the metal vs plastic production methods fascinating. If it takes a year for a basic plastic model think about how long it must take for Ares to produce a complete, ready to fly model (with clear canopy and propellers no less!). Finally, METAL WILDCATS, Woo-hoo!!!

    I welcome metal airplanes with open wallet.
    The FB page is interesting and instructive. Warlord Games still produces many/most of the specialized troops and teams for Bolt Action in metal. I had wondered why, since the
    rational I had read about the switch to plastic/resin for wargaming figures was cost and obviously lead-free.
    Same for Warhammer AoS/40K.

    I am curious as to why you're excited about metal Wildcats, when you can buy resin (possibly cheaper; I haven't compared the price-point) from AIM?
    You still have to paint them from BRS.
    Karl
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    The De Havilland Mosquito was slower than some Mustangs, so, they would not need extra large manoeuvre cards, just the fast fighter sized cards. Keith has already produced heavy fighter bases for them.

    I take your point about finding combat situations for them within the game situation but they were such versatile aircraft that I feel sure some of the creative people here will come up with ideas.

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    I like the BRS metal Wildcats for three reasons:
    -In regards to being metal, I think the Wildcat as the initial model in that medium is a great choice given the real airplane's toughness.
    -Front of line service for an obvious gap in PTO support.
    -Another bold move by Warlord that shows a willingness to think out of the box about what goes in the box, leading to more airplanes available to customers.

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. -Jimmy Doolittle

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    ...and now BRS is expanded by ready to play Ju 88 3 minis box with all the stuff, bases, cards...
    How come...
    Bought.
    If they publish a box of 6 Fw-190A the conversion to the Dark Side may be completed, I am afraid...
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    Then sadly I have some news about Your Father.

    FW190As in plastic due by the end of the year, or so I am told

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    Bring it to Prague next year, Andrzej. I feel a strong drug withdrawal syndrome...

    ...and sadness we are not supplied with our beloved game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    ...and now BRS is expanded by ready to play Ju 88 3 minis box with all the stuff, bases, cards...
    How come...
    Bought.
    If they publish a box of 6 Fw-190A the conversion to the Dark Side may be completed, I am afraid...
    WoG Cards for FW.190As are all ready done. And an Equipment Card for bomber interception scenarios, too. More could appear...
    Mike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    ...and now BRS is expanded by ready to play Ju 88 3 minis box with all the stuff, bases, cards...
    How come...
    Bought.
    If they publish a box of 6 Fw-190A the conversion to the Dark Side may be completed, I am afraid...
    Are you sure; the Warlords store still has the Zvezda Ju.88s and they are listed as unassembled and unpainted.
    Karl
    It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jager View Post
    Are you sure; the Warlords store still has the Zvezda Ju.88s and they are listed as unassembled and unpainted.
    Karl
    After a closer look I see they are kind of those Zvezda models, but think the assembly process seems to be simplified in a way. We will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
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    nice! are these specifically for brs?

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    Not really- they're the old Academy 1:200 B17s painted up and based for BRS

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    Just got an update from Warlords today, they are releasing the Hurricane and the Skeeter as box sets next.

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    Warlord blew it from a sales perspective. They slightly staggered a PTO release right before this so people who are more carrier based already placed our orders and will be less likely to immediately purchase again. For my part, I will likely hold off on those Mosquitto's until Warlord releases something else of interest.

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. -Jimmy Doolittle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guntruck View Post
    Sounds like Andrzej is turning to the dark side. Having said that, another source of aircraft is always welcome, especially if they produce types that are not otherwise available. Metal is fine for smaller types (not too heavy) if converting them for WGS.

    Was a bit disappointed that the last lot of ‘new releases’ turned out to be Zvezda re-treads.
    Seems like the next releases are in-house with Hurricanes and Mosquito`s (I can see those being popular round here) and some additional ace packs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    Warlord blew it from a sales perspective. They slightly staggered a PTO release right before this so people who are more carrier based already placed our orders and will be less likely to immediately purchase again. For my part, I will likely hold off on those Mosquitto's until Warlord releases something else of interest.
    Warlords business model is based on near-continuous availability rather thsn the more chaotic "feast-famine" model that certain other companies follow, so this release plan wont hurt them, nor will it result in stupid prices being charged on eBay for OOP models in a few months

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    It may not hurt them in a major measurable way but there will be an impact because I know I am not the only person on this side of the pond who will not be buying again one week after their previous order, and before even receiving it! It is nothing personal, just business...

    If we should have to fight, we should be prepared to do so from the neck up instead of from the neck down. -Jimmy Doolittle

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    Quote Originally Posted by PilGrim View Post
    Not really- they're the old Academy 1:200 B17s painted up and based for BRS
    ah ok. i was hoping they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    It may not hurt them in a major measurable way but there will be an impact because I know I am not the only person on this side of the pond who will not be buying again one week after their previous order, and before even receiving it! It is nothing personal, just business...
    Curse these companies with their busy and extensive release schedules

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    After a closer look I see they are kind of those Zvezda models, but think the assembly process seems to be simplified in a way. We will see.
    I had experience with Zvezda. Very simplified assembly and quite O.K. for wargaming.

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