Can anybody tell me if there is an Aircraft Card for the Beaufort on the Aerodrome site anywhere? (I have looked but can't find anything). Also any recommendations for which Maneuver Deck would be suitable would be greatfully received.
Bristol Beaufort Torpedo Bomber
Can anybody tell me if there is an Aircraft Card for the Beaufort on the Aerodrome site anywhere? (I have looked but can't find anything). Also any recommendations for which Maneuver Deck would be suitable would be greatfully received.
Look on this page from the Files section, Reg, immediately below the aircraft carrier. http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...hp?do=cat&id=9
Thanks David, can't believe that I missed it!
In all respects very similar to the Blenheim.
Deck J(b) Damage 18 Ceiling 10 Climb 6 Heavy Fighter base.
Neil
See you on the Dark Side......
Thanks Neil. Yes developed from the Blenheim but slightly longer wingspan and a bit faster.
What's a 'heavy fighter base'? Haven't come across that one before. Also maneuver dck J (b) has me confused as well. What does the (b) do to the J deck?
Takes off Dunce's Cap, retires to a dark room and hopes for a reply he can actually understand.
Originally Posted by Rebel
The "Heavy Fighter" base is a larger base than a Scout/Fighter similar in size to the ones for the Beaufighter & ME 110.
Sorry I cant help with the Jb deck business. Perhaps its a J deck less the Immleman which I know as a J*
Oh, I know this one! (Ok, I know where to find the answer).
Unofficial Airplane Rules: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...st-Version-1-0
"Maneuver decks:
Any maneuver deck with the modifier (Z) uses Zoe Brain’s system of moving just the length of the arrow on the card. These are for very slow planes, and may be further modified. Any that have the modifier (Zb) are bombers; no reversals, 45 degree turns, 60 degree turns or fast or extreme side slips.
Any maneuver deck starting with a Z (e.a.ZM) uses the decks created by Zoe Brain and Max Headroom, and are found in the files. They may be further modified.
Any deck with the modifier (b) is for bombers: no reversals, 45 degree turns, 60 degree turns or extreme side slips. "
Cheers Mischa, great spot and spot on with the info.
See you on the Dark Side......
Hmmm... What might a Beaufort look like?
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Spot on Mike!
Depending on the Mark/model, this plane had a single wing mounted .303 MG and the rear dorsal turret with a single .303 MG. Successive "improvements" had a twin .303 swivel mount MG in the nose, a twin .303 MG in the rear turret, and even some added beam-mounted single .303 MGs just forward of the rear turret. And lastly, there was a remotely operated, rear ventral MG, but it was often removed in the field as useless.
So, not knowing the arc of the front swivel mount, there could be a wider arc there, and the Navigator/Bomb-Aimer becomes the gunner. The damage shouldn't change, though. And there could be two additional arcs with the same damage (A/A) on two 45 degree arcs from the center point out over the wings. These beam guns would be operated by the Radio Operator, and would be fired by swapping positions (both are not able to fire at the same time).
Enjoy.
Note: Flying Officer Kenneth Campbell VC (21 April 1917 – 6 April 1941) was a Scottish airman, posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for an attack which damaged the German battlecruiser Gneisenau, moored in Brest, France. Link: Wikipedia - Kenneth Campbell, VC
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Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Thanks Mike, very useful. All I need to do now is find some suitable model Beauforts. HBM, from where I had hoped to order them is having some problems and only has 1 model available and apparently no hope of producing more in the foreseeable future.
Mike, how do I download the two cards in post# 11 above? Are they in the file section of the Aerodrome Site?
These are only available on this thread, as they are drafts (not sanctioned by the Unofficial Stats Committee).
PS: "Right Click" on the images, and "Save As".
Have you checked out this guy? Peter [pbhawkin] : Peter's Planes.com - Beaufort
Wow! Check decal sheet No. 7 (Date of crash may be wrong, but it is the right plane). That is the plane I used for the card above!
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Thanks again Mike. I have now got something going with AIM who are making me what I need using an HBM master.
Peter's Planes is interesting but I'm after 1: and not 1:144 beautiful as they are. He does mention 1:200 but I can't see any specific models in that scale and the Beauforts are definitely 1:144 by the price.
This is great, as I was trying to figure out how to work in a Beaufighter to my campaign planes, I discovered I should use a Beaufort. How funny that I replied to the thread last week and this week I go looking for the exact same thing not realizing I had commented on it.
Australian built Mk V.
Beaufort Mk.V
50 built. First Australian built version, powered by two Pratt & Whitney R-1830-S3C4-G Twin Wasp radial piston engines with Curtiss Electric propellers.
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You might still need the Beaufighter Mischa as they were often used as escorts for the Beaufort. Also the Beaufort was retired in favour of Torpedo carrying Beaufighters.
I am certainly planning on using the Beaufighter - I have a model so it will get use.
Aussie Beaufighters are a MUST for South Pacific action!
Been reading up on the Beaufort and find that the Australian built and operated aircraft were much more successful than the UK Beaus.This is great, as I was trying to figure out how to work in a Beaufighter to my campaign planes, I discovered I should use a Beaufort. How funny that I replied to the thread last week and this week I go looking for the exact same thing not realizing I had commented on it.
Australian built Mk V.
Beaufort Mk.V
50 built. First Australian built version, powered by two Pratt & Whitney R-1830-S3C4-G Twin Wasp radial piston engines with Curtiss Electric propellers.
It was the engines and props -- the Bristol Taurus was rubbish; the Twin Wasp with Curtiss props was going-away more reliable (and when flying over water, that's Kind Of A Big Deal).
Interesting; I wonder if there was a significant performance difference.
Karl'
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Reports say there was, but I can't find exact numbers. The Aussie Beauforts used -1830 Twin Wasps, which averaged 1,200HP; while the Taurus averaged 1,130HP. The props used were all three-bladed constant-speed units, so if there was a difference there, I don't know where it was (blade shape, perhaps).
Checked the wwiivehicles.com site, and no there isn't a real difference in speed. A slightly higher climb rate (1150 f/m to 1200f/m) and a much higher ceiling (16500' to 25000') which might be from a supercharger in the twin wasp engine.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Mike could you tell me what the Black Circle with central dot followed by the figure 2 represents in the bottom right hand corner of the Aircraft card? I know I have seen it before but I can't seem to find it in the Rule Book. I just know I'm gonna go Duhhh! when I find the answer but my mind is currently a black hole where things go in but nothing comes back out. Demented? Not half!
Depending on the Mark/model, this plane had a single wing mounted .303 MG and the rear dorsal turret with a single .303 MG. Successive "improvements" had a twin .303 swivel mount MG in the nose, a twin .303 MG in the rear turret, and even some added beam-mounted single .303 MGs just forward of the rear turret. And lastly, there was a remotely operated, rear ventral MG, but it was often removed in the field as useless.
So, not knowing the arc of the front swivel mount, there could be a wider arc there, and the Navigator/Bomb-Aimer becomes the gunner. The damage shouldn't change, though. And there could be two additional arcs with the same damage (A/A) on two 45 degree arcs from the center point out over the wings. These beam guns would be operated by the Radio Operator, and would be fired by swapping positions (both are not able to fire at the same time).
Enjoy.
Note: Flying Officer Kenneth Campbell VC (21 April 1917 – 6 April 1941) was a Scottish airman, posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross for an attack which damaged the German battlecruiser Gneisenau, moored in Brest, France. Link: Wikipedia - Kenneth Campbell, VC
Do you have the WWII Rules and Accessories Pack rule book? Everything is in that. The online download from Ares is not complete, and is missing all the mulit-engine rules, it appears. On pages 31-32 of the RAP rule book are the rules for engine damage, specifically, which are necessary for use of multi-engined planes.
For the cards above: In the lower Left corner of the Plane card, there are three Icons. Damage Resistance, Maneuver Deck, and Engines. For the Beaufort, the black engine icon followed by a '2' indicates two engines.
Mike
"Flying is learning to throw yourself at the ground and miss" Douglas Adams
"Wings of Glory won't skin your elbows and knees while practicing." OldGuy59
Duhhh! Course it is! See, told you I had seen it before. Yes I do have that rulebook downstairs but being lazy and having very dodgy knees couldn't be bothered to go get it.. Just looked on line.
Thanks for your help.
In the Wikipedia article on the Bristol Beaufort, this paragraph appears,
"A distinguishing feature of Australian Beauforts was a larger fin, which was used from the Mk VI on. Armament varied from British aircraft: British or American torpedoes were able to be carried and the final 140 Mk VIII were fitted with a locally manufactured Mk VE turret with .50 cal machine guns. A distinctive diamond-shaped DF aerial was fitted on the cabin roof, replacing the loop antenna. Other Australian improvements included fully enclosed landing gear and Browning M2 .5 in (13 mm) machine guns in the wings. Some were also fitted with ASV radar aerial arrays on either side of the rear fuselage."
Although the Beaufort was designed as a Torpedo Bomber 217 Squadron's Beauforts,based at St.Eval in Cornwall, were initially not fitted with Torpedo carrying equipment and for 1940-41 were used as standard medium bombers delivering 250lb and 500lb bombs. Also used for dropping parachute mines into estuaries along the French coast.
According to wg cdr Patrick gibbs ' torpedo leader on malta ' beaufort mk1's were Taurus engines but the mk2 ( which he championed ) were american ' pratt and witneys ' which gave them a better climb, was faster and handled more smoothly. He doesn't go on to say how much faster but he says the mk2 could manage to fly where the mk1's would find it hard going. . This was April 1942. .
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The DAP Beauforts manufactured in Australia also used Pratt and Whitney Twin Wasp engines, same as the RAAF had fitted to the Lockheed Hudson. It gave the aircraft a decent turn of speed and better rate of climb over the Taurus or Wright Cyclone engines used in other marques of those types.
Also *greatly* simplified Logistics -- building and shipping many examples of one thing, vs. one example of many things....
As a slight aside, does anyone have a good source for the war history of the Beaufort in the Pacific, particularly New Guinea?
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Yes, I have plenty. 'Whispering Death: Australian Airmen in the Pacific War by Mark Johnston is a good reference. I have a copy.
Kudos to all who contributed to this thread. There should be one appearing in my resurrected "Fire in the Skies campaign" coming soon. The proxy model is on the table. I didn't print out this card, but I have made all the notes. I created a scenario (see bold below) and should get to it on Friday or maybe Monday. He's got a bigger base than a Gloster Glad w/ less manuervability! Not sure he will fare well.
From wikipedia "By late 1941, British authorities had also ordered 180 Australian-built Beauforts for the RAF Far East Command, for use in East Asia. In particular, DAP Beauforts were to replace the extremely obsolescent Vickers Vildebeests operated by No. 100 Squadron RAF at Singapore. Q Flight, a detachment from 100 Squadron was based in Australia for operational conversion purposes.
When Japan entered the war and invaded Malaya on 8 December 1941, about 20 DAP Beauforts had been completed and delivered to Q Flight in Australia. Only six Australian-built Beauforts reached Singapore, just after hostilities began. Over Malaya and Singapore, 100 Squadron continued to operate Vildebeests, suffering severe losses. One Beaufort, attached to Air Headquarters, Singapore as a reconnaissance aircraft was attacked, during its first sortie, by Japanese fighters, severely damaged and written-off. The RAF decided that the Beaufort lacked sufficient performance and armament to defend itself against late model fighters, and that 100 Squadron's crews lacked sufficient training and experience on the type. As Japanese forces approached Singapore in early 1942, RAF bases there were abandoned; the remaining Beauforts and 100 Squadron personnel were evacuated to Australia. All Australian-built Beauforts previously scheduled for British squadrons were subsequently delivered to the RAAF. "
Here are my Beauforts (AIM). Post this before in the Workbench.
Those are beauties Bob!
Here are my Beauforts (AIM). Post this before in the Workbench.
And here are mine!
Sweet Reg. Ok, I now have to get some.
Nice photographs, Bob and Reg!
Nice Reg.
These are the other ones I did but painted in a different color scheme.
Oh yes! I must see if there were any based on Malta.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
https://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sh...l=1#post491115
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
Cheers Karl.
I know exactly why I forgot that.
My Solicitor interrupted me on the phone.
That's all it takes these days.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
217 Squadron Beauforts served on Malta for sure.
I only hope the were not stationed at Kalifrana otherwise I will have to revise the model I just made.
Rob.
"Courage is the art of being the only one who knows you're scared to death."
I completely understand, Rob. Too many triggers for me last week.Cheers Karl.
I know exactly why I forgot that.
My Solicitor interrupted me on the phone.
That's all it takes these days.
Rob.
Karl
It is impossible for a man to begin to learn what he thinks he knows. -- Epictetus
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