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    The latest update for the Series 3 reprint is that they are currently in production. How far into production, I don't know.

    Update 20Dec16

    I just received the list of pilots/planes for the reprint:

    WGF117A Nieuport 17 (Baracca)
    WGF117B Nieuport 17 (Nungesser)
    WGF117C Nieuport 17 (Thaw)
    WGF118A Albatros D.III (Frommerz)
    WGF118B Albatros D.III (Gruber)
    WGF118C Albatros D.III (Von Richthofen)
    WGF205A Ufag C.I (161-37)
    WGF205B Ufag C.I (161--109)
    WGF205C Ufag C.I (161-138)
    WGF206A RAF RE.8 (30 Squadron)
    WGF206B RAF RE.8 (52 Squadron)
    WGF206C RAF RE.8 (59 Squadron)

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    Excellent! Looking forward to seeing them.

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    That's exciting, I wonder what the new paint schemes will be.

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    Ooooh, goody!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    All the SE5's!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben UK View Post
    All the SE5's!!!!
    No, that's Series 4 reprints.

    These will be the Albatros DIIIs and the Nieuport 17/23s
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ben UK View Post
    All the SE5's!!!!
    Sorry Ben they are Series 4. Series 3 are the Albatross D.III, Nieuport 17, UFAG C.I and RAF RE.8.

    I would like to see two German and one Austro-Hungarian Albatros, one each British, French and Italian N.17s, two RFC RE.8s and one AFC RE.8. All the UFAG C.Is that saw service during the Great War were Austro-Hungarian, but some were flown by the new Eastern European nations post-war, perhaps we could have one in Czech or Romanian colours?

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    Can't wait to see the new paint schemes!

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    Nice! I hope Nungesser's Ni.17 and Brumowski's D.III are reprinted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barkmann View Post
    Nice! I hope Nungesser's Ni.17 and Brumowski's D.III are reprinted.
    They always re-print the best-selling model of the original Series, so you can be sure that Brumowski's will be re-printed.
    I don't know which one was the best selling Ni-17 though.

    For the Ni.17 I hope we get one from Esc. Lafayette and an Italian one. Fingers crossed for Ruffo Di Calabria's

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    Bring on the DIII's. Need some more for repaints.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    If they are in production, someone must surely know which models are featured.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB401 View Post
    If they are in production, someone must surely know which models are featured.........
    I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.
    Looking forward to it! I only have ten Albatros D.IIIs and need many, many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.
    Good news.

    I would like some additional Albatross D.III & Ufag C.I.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I was told "we will soon announce the details" by Ares.
    Been almost a month.....what's the word mate?

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    Excellent news. Thank you, Herr Oberst.

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    Great news! Thanks for keeping us updated Herr Oberst!

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    Yes, that is good news indeed. I hope that Ares will soon release details of which pilots are being commemorated.

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    I hope that they include Billy Bishop and Albert Ball for the Nieuport 17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    I hope that they include Billy Bishop and Albert Ball for the Nieuport 17.
    I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!

    (I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedeby View Post
    I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!

    (I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)
    No offence taken.
    I just believe that whatever you may think of Bishop's ability for exaggeration, he was undeniably a skilled ace and I'd like to see both Ball and Bishop represented in the Nieuport 17.

    According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
    His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
    Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
    Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
    William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
    Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
    His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
    Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
    Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
    William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
    Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed
    Fascinating - thanks for posting that.
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darknight View Post
    No offence taken.
    I just believe that whatever you may think of Bishop's ability for exaggeration, he was undeniably a skilled ace and I'd like to see both Ball and Bishop represented in the Nieuport 17.

    According to WW1 historian Peter Kilduff, German records (though notoriously patchy) can account for 21 named German pilots were likely victims of Billy Bishop.
    His research indicates that Bishop's verified record (21) vs claims (72) is not dissimilar to other Allied Aces:
    Mick Mannock - 21 verifed / 61 claimed
    Albert Ball - 17 verified / 44 claimed
    William Barker - 15 verified / 50 claimed
    Eddie Rickenbacker - <10 verifed / 26 claimed
    CJ, I am not sure from where you sourced the above statistics but they vary greatly from those given in "Above the Trenches" by Christopher Shores, Norman Franks & Russell Guest published in 1990 & which is considered the seminal work on British & Commonwealth Aces Bios & Scores.

    In their section on Mannock they list from the official records that he had a total of 41 either Destroyed or Captured. The balance were OCC's

    As far as Pilots with an extremely high % of Confirmations Vs Claims, one pilot stands out & that is James McCudden with a total of no less than 19 Captured & 28 Destroyed out of a total of 57. That means only 10 were claimed & accepted as OOC's.

    Hope this is of interest to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hedeby View Post
    I did hear that they claimed to be producing several Billy Bishop planes... but then again they could have just made that number up, you know a totally imaginary and fanciful number like say 72!



    (I mean no offence to our amazing Canadian brethren - but it was too good a chance to pass up, lol)

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    But on a serious note - we have to have an Albert Ball plane - either the Nieuport or his SE.5a

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    Pardon my higorance, but what does OCC stand for ?

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    OOC, Pete--Out Of Control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DarrylH View Post
    OOC, Pete--Out Of Control.
    Ha ha - like my Keller in the last AAR

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    I am hoping that at least one of the new Ufag C.I's will have twin forward firing guns. The snag is that whilst there are sources confirming that some planes had the twin forward guns, I cannot find an actual picture saying that the particular plane shown had twin guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    I am hoping that at least one of the new Ufag C.I's will have twin forward firing guns. The snag is that whilst there are sources confirming that some planes had the twin forward guns, I cannot find an actual picture saying that the particular plane shown had twin guns.
    Twin forward firing guns were tested on aircraft 161.31 in July 1918 they were not installed on production machines. This does not preclude the possibility that the UFAG machines were modified by the Fliks that flew them. A-H modified production aircraft at squadron level probably more than any other country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john snelling View Post
    Twin forward firing guns were tested on aircraft 161.31 in July 1918
    This information on the Ares page concerning UFAG C.I :
    UFAG C.I (161–37)
    In an attempt to improve UFAG’s firepower against enemy fighters, a second forward–firing machine gun was experimentally added to this airplane. This model has special cards to reflect the upgrade.

    http://www.aresgames.eu/games/ww1-wi...packs/ufag-c-i

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    Thank you for that piece of information, John. It explains the situation very well.

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    Thank you but I already know this is the Series 3 reprint (I was mentioning the SE5a as a continuation of the above conversation).

    Bishop and Ball both flew in the Nieuport 17 model, and I see that we are apparently getting an Italian and a French pilot, so I assume Bishop won't be considered for the Nieuport 17 (though maybe Ball will be). I believe Bishop, Ball and Mannock should be represented in the Ares sets.

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    Sorry. My bad

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    I just received the list of pilots/planes for the reprint of Series 3...

    WGF117A Nieuport 17 (Baracca)
    WGF117B Nieuport 17 (Nungesser)
    WGF117C Nieuport 17 (Thaw)
    WGF118A Albatros D.III (Frommerz)
    WGF118B Albatros D.III (Gruber)
    WGF118C Albatros D.III (Von Richthofen)
    WGF205A Ufag C.I (161-37)
    WGF205B Ufag C.I (161--109)
    WGF205C Ufag C.I (161-138)
    WGF206A RAF RE.8 (30 Squadron)
    WGF206B RAF RE.8 (52 Squadron)
    WGF206C RAF RE.8 (59 Squadron)

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    This is Frommerz:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I just received the list of pilots/planes for the reprint of Series 3...

    WGF117A Nieuport 17 (Baracca)
    ...
    WGF205A Ufag C.I (161-37)
    WGF205B Ufag C.I (161--109)
    WGF205C Ufag C.I (161-138)
    ...
    Another Italian one! Nice.

    I'm shure I'm going to buy one or two UFAGs for the A-H/I front, too.

    (I'm happy that I still own all of the first Albatross D.IIIs)
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    WGF117A Nieuport 17 (Baracca)

    Nice! Will buy at least four of these ones for re-paintings to make a small Italian squadron. Rulfo di Calabria will be the first re-painting.

    WGF117B Nieuport 17 (Nungesser)
    and WGF117C Nieuport 17 (Thaw)


    I will probably buy a few of either of them (three at least) to make a small squadron too -- either Laffayette Sqd of a French Escadrille
    I agree with British players: having a British Ni-17 would had been nice since both Thaw and Nungesser are flying under French colors.

    ALBATROS: Good news is that now I know what is coming so I can decide how will l re-paint my four Neux Albtross D.III I have. Bad news is that this guy below is not among the chosen offial Ares next release so I will have to make a hard re-painting my own. Bad news is that all these are already on F-Toys.

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    WGF118A Albatros D.III (Frommerz)


    I was saving a Neux Albatros D.III to re-paint after the Blau Mauss, so I will definitely buy this one.

    WGF118B Albatros D.III (Gruber)


    Will probably buy two of these ones, one for re-painting for an KuK Flik

    WGF118C Albatros D.III (Von Richthofen)


    Forget about it! I won't buy this! Too many Richthofens! Plus, if I buy it, I wont resist the temptation of having my own Flying Circus from Bloody April Days and then I will have to buy at least 5 more of these for re-paintings. So curse you Red Baron! I won't buy your plane this time around!

    Good news: My Brumowsky mini may have doubled its price on eBay ... and people who want one is just a decal away from it

    EDITED: Forget about what I've said... I will buy four Richthofen's ... I'll keep one and will repaint the other three after Allmenroder's, Braunbeck's, and Wolff's to have a Jasta 11 Patrol. Curse you Red Baron and Curse you Ares Games! You lured with your nice toys and caught me again into buying your stuff!

    I already have all two seateres from this series I need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo Rojo View Post
    Good news: My Brumowsky mini may have doubled its price on eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken at Sunrise View Post
    And my two Voss' may have gone up 50% each as well -- meaning one of them will go to the market instead of the work-bentch for re-painting

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    I will admit that I am very disappointed that there is no RFC Nieuport, Thaw is U.S.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Warspite' View Post
    I will admit that I am very disappointed that there is no RFC Nieuport, Thaw is U.S.
    True, but you get all three of the RE.8s

    I would have preferred to see Ball instead of Baracca. The Baracca SPAD was not that popular back in the day. At least his N17 will give a good base for Italian repaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    True, but you get all three of the RE.8s
    I can see myself buying two R.E.8s (I already have four) and maybe the Thaw Nieu 17 and the Frommerz DIII. That's four purchases out of a potential eight new models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Warspite' View Post
    It would appear so. On balance I think Richthofen has been well over represented in the Wings of War and Glory series, we even have his Roland C-II!
    I would have favoured Brumowski or Voss over MvR. Of the three DIIIs B and V always command higher prices on e-bay, which may give us some idea of which is the more popular..
    I believe the goal is to be able to fly MvR from start to finish. Not a bad concept really and it ties in nicely with the Ace cards that are already out. It is a shame that it has to eat up a slot in the normal release however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    I believe the goal is to be able to fly MvR from start to finish. Not a bad concept really and it ties in nicely with the Ace cards that are already out. It is a shame that it has to eat up a slot in the normal release however.



    maybe its time to do an MVR line of special packs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberst Hajj View Post
    True, but you get all three of the RE.8s

    I would have preferred to see Ball instead of Baracca. The Baracca SPAD was not that popular back in the day. At least his N17 will give a good base for Italian repaints.
    A big problem with Baracca's SPAD XIII (at least for me) was that it had a totally un-historical painting scheme.
    I hope they get the Ni-17 right this time

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    I'm a little disappointed as well...there should have been at least one famous RFC ace included.

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