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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken at Sunrise View Post
    Any word on the skill cards and planes?
    Received the package yesterday from Herr Oberst and hope to have all the info and photos in the Current Contents by the weekend......starting working on it last night, but SWMBO has pointed out that the yard needs a mowing and I've got a charity golf tournament dawn to dusk tomorrow. Props to the Oberst for the great service getting these out so quickly.....the Aerodrome rules!

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    Huzzah!

    Run for your life - there are stupid people everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Warspite' View Post
    Any reports of them reaching the UK yet?

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    Reached doorsteps already Barry !

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    Quote Originally Posted by skystalker View Post
    Received the package yesterday from Herr Oberst and hope to have all the info and photos in the Current Contents by the weekend......starting working on it last night, but SWMBO has pointed out that the yard needs a mowing and I've got a charity golf tournament dawn to dusk tomorrow. Props to the Oberst for the great service getting these out so quickly.....the Aerodrome rules!
    Good on yer Bob - have some advanced REP !

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    I also got MY box-full of Series 3 Reprints (with some dupes for repaints) yesterday. YESSSSS!!!

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    For those who wanted the aircraft data for the Series 3 Reprint, this is what I have so far in getting ready to update the Current Contents file:

    Series 3A:
    WGF117A Nieuport 17 Capitano Francesco Baracca (Level 01 & 02; Acrobatic Pilot, Chivalrous Aptitude, Perfect Aim and Sniper) Regio Esercito●70A Squadriglia; 91A Squadriglia (I/B)
    WGF117B Nieuport 17 (w/ Alternative Armament & 2 Higher Machine Gun Cards) Sous-Lt. Charles Nungesser (Level 01 & 02; Shadower and Sniper) Aéronautique Militaire●Escadrille N65 (I/A)
    WGF117C Nieuport 17 (w/ 2 Higher Machine Gun Cards) Adjutant Gervias Raoul Lufbery (level 01; Bullet Checker) Aéronautique Militaire●Escadrille N124 “Lafayette” AND Major William Thaw (Level 01; Acrobatic Pilot) US Air Service●103rd Aero Squadron/ 3rd Pursuit Group (I/A)
    WGF118A Albatros D.III (w/Lockable Controls) Lt. Hermann Frommherz (Level 01 & 02; Sniper & Expert Trainer) Luftstreitkräfte● Jasta 2 “Boelcke” (J/A)
    WGF118B Albatros D.III (w/Unreachable Machine Guns & Lockable Controls) Stabsfeldwebel Kurt Gruber (Level 01;Perfect Aim) K.U.K Luftfahrtruppen● Flick 41J/Flik 60J (J/A)
    WGF118C Albatros D.III (w/Lockable Controls) Leutnant Manfred von Richthofen (Level 04; Acrobatic Pilot, Itchy Trigger Finger, Sniper & Super Ace) Luftstreitkrafte● Jasta 11 (J/A)
    WGF205A Ufag C.I (w/ Experimental Armament) Unbekannter Pilot (Rookie Pilot & Rookie Observer) Kaiserliche und Koenigliche Luftfahrtruppen 161-37 (H/B/B)
    WGF205B Ufag C. Unbekannter Pilot (Fire Expert, Perfect Bombardier & Photo Expert) Kaiserliche und Koenigliche Luftfahrtruppen●Flik 62/S (H/B/B)
    WGF205C Ufag C.I Unbekannter Pilot (Precision Bombardier, Sniper & Weapon Specialist) Kaiserliche und Koenigliche Luftfahrtruppen 161-138 (H/B/B)
    WGF206A RAF R.E.8 (w/ 2 Pdr. Davis Gun & Emergency Controls) Unknown Pilot (Photo Expert & Precision Bombardier) Royal Flying Corps● 30 Squadron (K/B/B)
    WGF206B RAF R.E.8 (w/ Additional Machine Gun & Emergency Controls) 2nd Lts. G.R.T. Marsh & I. Mackay Dempster (Rookie Pilot & Rookie Observer) Royal Flying Corps● 52 Squadron (K/B/B)
    WGF206C RAF R.E.8 (w/ Emergency Controls) Unknown Pilot (Bullet Checker, Precision Bombardier & Technical Eye) Royal Flying Corps● 59 Squadron (K/B/B)

    I need to get all the photos in the Appendix and do an Acrobat review before posting, but the new file should be up by the weekend. As always, if you spot any edits that need to be done in this data, please let me know. A second set of eyes always helps to make sure that the data is clean.
    Last edited by skystalker; 06-16-2017 at 21:53.

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    Thanks for posting so quickly Bob, REP worthy effort.

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    Picked up all three Alb DIII's at my FLGS tonight...Next week will go for the Nieuports.

    Sad thing is not sure how to paint my 2 Shapeways DIII's now.

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    Got my Baracca Nieuport 17 and Gruber D.III in the mail today!

    I can't judge how historically accurate the minis are, but in my opinion Baracca's Nieuport looks very nice, much better than I expected from photos. The undersides of the wings are painted with Italian colors that are quite striking in contrast to the silver upper paint scheme. I really like it!

    The Albatros feels very sturdy and the paint job looks good to me. The serial numbers and other details look very crisp on my miniature. The "locked controls" card is an interesting feature...it allows you to unjam your guns 1 phase faster in exchange for flying straight until they are unjammed.

    I was only going to get 1 each, but I liked these miniatures well enough that I decided to order Nungesser and Frommherz as well!

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    Thanks for the updates! And I am glad that the new minis are appreciated.

    Here a view of the lockable controls for Albatros fighters, from original documents:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Thanks for the updates! And I am glad that the new minis are appreciated.

    Here a view of the lockable controls for Albatros fighters, from original documents:

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    That's great info Andrea!
    Mine should be in the Mail Box Monday from Evan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    Thanks for the updates! And I am glad that the new minis are appreciated.

    Here a view of the lockable controls for Albatros fighters, from original documents:

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    This is a pleasant surprise, Andrea ... and looks to be quite handy!

    I'm presuming it will apply to any 'D' type Albatros. Do you know what other planes may have had such a device? This would be a great optional rule for incorporation. I like all the subtle differences between planes that make them individual!

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    I think that it was on every Albatros single-seater, at least from D.III onward, even when built abroad on license. I do not know about earlier types and I never heard of something similar for planes designed by other firms.

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    hi guys! where can I buy the new series minis on line? I usually buy them from Miniature Markets but they are already sold out of MVR Albatross

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    Aerodrome Accessories?

    I'm sure Keith hasn't sold all of his yet!

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    CoolStuff had all the new ones in last I checked. Not so good with everything else, though.

    Edit in: Manfred's Albatros D.III is back in stock at MM, but now they are out of Barraca's Nieuport 17.
    Last edited by Dawn Patrol; 06-16-2017 at 19:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    I think that it was on every Albatros single-seater, at least from D.III onward, even when built abroad on license. I do not know about earlier types and I never heard of something similar for planes designed by other firms.
    Thanks Andrea. The reason I "presumed" it was on all Albatros 'D' versions is because I saw the "Typ. DI+II" notation on the illustration and assumed it referred to the airplane, not to the mechanism itself. If that's the case, it looks like it was incorporated from the outset of the series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angiolillo View Post
    I think that it was on every Albatros single-seater, at least from D.III onward, even when built abroad on license. I do not know about earlier types and I never heard of something similar for planes designed by other firms.



    thanks for the useful info andrea!!!!

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    Confirming… Marquee Models at Harlow, Essex, have the new models.

    Barry

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    That was quick, Tim.

    My planes left San Francisco two days ago.
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marechallannes View Post
    That was quick, Tim.

    My planes left San Francisco two days ago.
    Tony Bennett left his heart in San Francisco, after my plastic surgery I left my mole in Billericay!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 'Warspite' View Post
    Tony Bennett left his heart in San Francisco, after my plastic surgery I left my mole in Billericay!

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    Thumbs up Yea! They have arrived!

    Got my "goodies" from Evan at Rival Sky Games in the P.O. Box this morning & I must say I am impressed with MvR's & Fromholtz's Albatross'
    The 30 Sqd RE 8 is also very nice but I noted the bottom wing has more rear "stagger" than the previous series RE 8 in my collection (?)

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    Mine arrived while I was at Origins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gully_raker View Post
    Got my "goodies" from Evan at Rival Sky Games in the P.O. Box this morning & I must say I am impressed with MvR's & Fromholtz's Albatross'
    The 30 Sqd RE 8 is also very nice but I noted the bottom wing has more rear "stagger" than the previous series RE 8 in my collection (?)
    Picked up my Rivalsky order from the Emperor's Legions at 2 this afternoon. They are indeed a lovely set of miniatures, I have already ordered another two Austrian D.IIIs and two more Italian Nieuports for repainting purposes.

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    The Albatros D.IIIs are the same unfortunate sculpt from last time

    The struts are incredibly thick, and too long, so the top wing sits much too high, and the undercarriage struts are too long also, giving an "overall impression" of a squat, fat plane, rather than the sleek, shark-like model it should have been.
    At least this time they stuck the undercarriage on the correct way round!

    I will get 2 - 3 more AH minis for repaint, when Kevin has produced the decals, but for the Germans I will continue to use F-Toys and Shapeways.

    The Nieuports are lovely, and I will get several more of these to repaint.

    I have more than enough RE8s and UFAGs already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    ... giving an "overall impression" of a squat, fat plane, rather than the sleek, shark-like model it should have been...
    More than a few of us with that problem Tim
    I think I know why the blue maus is the darker colour it is - it more or less matches the under wing colour of the MvR D.III, so if the manufacturer was told ... well you can work out the rest yourselves !
    More concerning for me was the appearance of the Force in amongst the ace skills :
    Expert Trainer: (s.3a)
    This pilot allows another crewman within one ruler of distance to use one of his skills. The expert trainer does not take recovery counters for that skill, when used by another crewman, and can even use it himself in the same phase.
    Use once per game. To remember this skill has been used turn this card face down.

    Can see that one being a munchkin favourite.
    Other wise I'm fairly happy with the models, not accurate perhaps (are they ever?!) but they represent.

    "He is wise who watches"

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    On the Ares website Manfred von Richthofen's Albatros D.III is shown with a brown fuselage but my model is all red. What happened, please?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    On the Ares website Manfred von Richthofen's Albatros D.III is shown with a brown fuselage but my model is all red. What happened, please?
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    The image does appear to have a slightly darker fuselage, but I always understood it to be all red, not brown.

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    They did a bit more research I guess however, I'm not sure he flew and all red DIII. Can anybody confirm that? My understanding is the f/l was all red and the wings three colour camo. However, this makes this a perfect model for repaints.

    The Albatros models have lots of errors and although I'm usually critical of mistakes when playing he game we are pretty much looking down on the models and in plan view I think they all look good enough. From that perspective the struts u/ce and relative wings positions are less of an issue. Yes they could have been so much better but that won't stop me buying DIII and N17s for repaints. I guess for more accurate Albatros models then Valom is an option.

    Thanks Tim for posting the images – really appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    ... I'm not sure he flew an all red DIII. Can anybody confirm that? My understanding is the f/l was all red and the wings three colour camo. However, this makes this a perfect model for repaints....
    Yeah, he did. This model is based on Albatros D.III #789/17, the spar cracked in action and the D.III's were grounded in March '17- he then flew a Halberstadt D.II while the issue was addressed - the one you're thinking of is Albatros D.III #2253/17 in which he got 21 kills in April 17... and no, I don't know why they didn't choose that one as the model either !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    They did a bit more research I guess however, I'm not sure he flew and all red DIII. Can anybody confirm that? My understanding is the f/l was all red and the wings three colour camo. However, this makes this a perfect model for repaints.
    MvR flew both and all-red D.III (as represented in new Ares' reprint) and a red fuselage with camo wings.
    (he also flew an all red D.V, and another D.V with red wings and natural wood fuselage -- he was wounded and shoot down flying the later)

    Quote Originally Posted by Timmo UK View Post
    However, this makes this a perfect model for repaints.
    indeed
    I've ordered four for a small Jasta 5 flight

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    I believe that I have spotted an omission on the Emergency Controls card for the Wings of Glory R.E. 8 model. It allows the observer to take over flying the aircraft, if the pilot is incapacitated using a reduced movement deck of three straights, two left turns, two right turns and a stall. That is good, but unless the additional use of a dive card is allowed, the aircraft cannot land. I have left a message about this on the Ares website asking them to issue an amendment notice. I have also asked them to issued similar cards for other aircraft equipped with emergency controls.

    I do not think that a climb card should also be allowed but what do others think about that?

    This card opens up another scenario option - "Escort Home the Crippled Plane".

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    Good catch David. Do you know what other planes had controls for the observer?

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    Here is a picture of the F-toys 1/144 scale model of Manfred von Richthofen's Albatros D.III. This must be his 'other one'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaticket View Post
    Good catch David. Do you know what other planes had controls for the observer?
    I believe the DH4 did.
    I saw it somewhere on the Forum

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    There is a discussion about dual controls for other two-seaters on the other Aerodrome site. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=63960

    They mention the R.E.8, D.H.4, D.H.9, D.H.9a, Bristol Fighter, Sopwith One-and-a-half Strutter, SPAD XVI and possible some B.E.2 models.

    According to Wikipedia the Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8 "Big Ack" had basic dual controls for the observer.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_F.K.8

    Wikipedia states that the B.E.2d had some dual controls.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_..._Factory_B.E.2

    If you go to https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/10101pjpg
    you can view an interactive panoramic view of General Billy Mitchell's SPAD XVI from the Smithsonian Institute. You can see a joystick and rudder bar in the observer's cockpit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    Here is a picture of the F-toys 1/144 scale model of Manfred von Richthofen's Albatros D.III. This must be his 'other one'.
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    Yes, that's the scheme I'm familiar with. The lightest camo colour is perhaps too light and the darker green not dark enough but who knows for sure how the wing surfaces weathered etc. However, this is the scheme I shall probably repaint mine to and I'll add some other J11 planes since a number of them are similar but with small areas of colour to differentiate between them.

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    Those F-toys are a real boon! I acquired as many as I could, just for the sleek proportions.
    Shame they didn't stick the wings on perpendicular to the fuselage!

    I thought the brown was a bit too sh*t-brown, and not enough red-brown, so I bought a pot of MisterKit "Albatros Red-Brown", and opened it to find it was sh*t-brown!

    The other "Albatros" colours seem O.K. to me (except perhaps the "Albatros Pale Blue" is a bit dark?") so I will probably stick with them.

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    I've driven myself half-insane with the models sometimes with things not being quite right. I had an F-Toys example – the three schemes they did were great choices – however, I wasn't very keen with the way the cockpit area was inserted into the f/l – that spoilt it for me. I decided that the shortcomings of the Ares version would stand out less if I didn't mix brands. Perhaps a bit like folks suggest doing with AFV's eg buy all your Sherman tanks from one maker even if you get your Tiger from another source. The best aspect of the Albatros, to me, is looking down on it and I think the Ares model passes muster in this respect. Close up photography can be very cruel to such small models.

    In the same vein I wasn't too keen on the SOG ships with the web between the mast and the sails however, when you see the ships on the table top with added rigging and in the heat of a game they look the part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    There is a discussion about dual controls for other two-seaters on the other Aerodrome site. http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/sh...ad.php?t=63960

    They mention the R.E.8, D.H.4, D.H.9, D.H.9a, Bristol Fighter, Sopwith One-and-a-half Strutter, SPAD XVI and possible some B.E.2 models.

    According to Wikipedia the Armstrong Whitworth F.K.8 "Big Ack" had basic dual controls for the observer.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armstrong_Whitworth_F.K.8

    Wikipedia states that the B.E.2d had some dual controls.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_..._Factory_B.E.2

    If you go to https://airandspace.si.edu/multimedia-gallery/10101pjpg
    you can view an interactive panoramic view of General Billy Mitchell's SPAD XVI from the Smithsonian Institute. You can see a joystick and rudder bar in the observer's cockpit.
    Thanks David. Now seeing it I recall the DH4 having them but I didn't know about the others. I'll have to introduce this into my campaign games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    ...

    I thought the brown was a bit too sh*t-brown, and not enough red-brown, so I bought a pot of MisterKit "Albatros Red-Brown", and opened it to find it was sh*t-brown!

    ...
    Damn, Tim.

    You made me laugh.

    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    USPS Package Tracking wrote that the German customs has it's greedy hand on my minis since yesterday...
    Voilà le soleil d'Austerlitz!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    I believe that I have spotted an omission on the Emergency Controls card for the Wings of Glory R.E. 8 model. It allows the observer to take over flying the aircraft, if the pilot is incapacitated using a reduced movement deck of three straights, two left turns, two right turns and a stall. That is good, but unless the additional use of a dive card is allowed, the aircraft cannot land. I have left a message about this on the Ares website asking them to issue an amendment notice. I have also asked them to issued similar cards for other aircraft equipped with emergency controls.

    I do not think that a climb card should also be allowed but what do others think about that?

    This card opens up another scenario option - "Escort Home the Crippled Plane".
    I would say that Ares did not include mention of the climb and dive cards as the use of altitude is still considered an 'advanced' rule.

    I would allow the dual controls to perform both dives and climbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naharaht View Post
    I do not think that a climb card should also be allowed but what do others think about that?

    This card opens up another scenario option - "Escort Home the Crippled Plane".
    Personally, I see no reason for the omission of the climb card. The observer may wish to avoid enemy fire while crossing a trench-line or some other such inconvenience, particularly if the pilot is hit while flying low on a mission.

    As far as the "Escort" scenario is concerned, we've played one. The "crippled" plane started with a number of 'B' damage cards (it was an early war scenario), including special damages, caused by the result of a D6 die roll. If ALL drawn cards would have been '0's they'd have been counted as '1's. A quick and easy way to get a game going, maintain any appropriate secrecy and odds are fairly good that no two scenarios will be the same.

    Good catch, by the way. For what it's worth, I also was wondering what other planes would have this Emergency control capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Helmut View Post
    I thought the brown was a bit too sh*t-brown, and not enough red-brown, so I bought a pot of MisterKit "Albatros Red-Brown", and opened it to find it was sh*t-brown!
    "Bring me my brown fuselage!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by BellMW54 View Post
    Personally, I see no reason for the omission of the climb card. The observer may wish to avoid enemy fire while crossing a trench-line or some other such inconvenience, particularly if the pilot is hit while flying low on a mission.
    That is a good point, Mike.

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    I have received a reply from Roberto at Ares Games about the Emergency Controls card. He wrote,"

    Hi David

    I double checked with Andrea, and he notes the wording might be improved, but applied literally, the card effect works anyway:

    (1) The card is usable with basic rules, so the deck modification as described is the reduction of the base game deck. (2) When you play with advanced rules, you add normally the climb and dive card.

    So, in short - Yes, Climb and Dive will be part of the deck when flying with Emergency Controls.

    Best regards,

    Roberto"

    I believe that this clarifies the issue completely. We just need to make sure that everyone is aware of it.

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