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    Here we go...!!!

    I'm really excited about this one because Ryujo looks lonely sailing by herself, and needs AA support from a multi destroyer escort such as the IJN Kagero class destroyer.
    Although the source data pictured below is for a 1941 deck plan, I hope to update the final image to 1944 to 1945 specs.

    Before I get started, I want to give credit to Dr. Dan Saranga for the use of his source work originally retrieved from: https://www.the-blueprints.com/bluep...royer)_(1941)/

    Also, If interested, these are the ships, from the upload section, completed previously:

    1/200 scale 2D Top Down Ryujo:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2341

    1/200 Liberty Ship:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2293

    1/200 CVE Casablanca Class Carrier:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2374

    1/200 Butler Class Destroyer:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2371

    1/200 Fletcher Class Destroyer:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2372


    This is what I have for the Kagero Class Destroyer so far:

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    I'm not a Naval historian, so please, if anyone has input, let it fly...

    If you want to get an idea of what she looks like in 3D, check out Skafloc's post under: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-master-part-2

    I had been stalled on this one because I was diverting attention to the load plan definitions for the 4 new aircraft released as part of series 6.

    Let's Do This...!!!
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    Fantastic Chris. This will be a great addition to the Japanese fleet.

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    Trivial note: These can also be adapted into Asashio (IIRC slightly shorter) and Yugumo (different bridgework) classes with a little re-engineering on the same basic hull.
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    Cool!
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=165781&d=1432790517

    Fly high. Check! Sun in the back. Check! Watch your six. Check! Draw good damage cards. #$&%!![/SIGPIC]

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    Can't wait to see it!

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    Unfortunately Chris I based mine on a Fubuki class and the keel was laid before you started this project. Wished I'd waited though. Looks real nice.

    Quote Originally Posted by THECCRICH View Post
    Here we go...!!!

    I'm really excited about this one because Ryujo looks lonely sailing by herself, and needs AA support from a multi destroyer escort such as the IJN Kagero class destroyer.
    Although the source data pictured below is for a 1941 deck plan, I hope to update the final image to 1944 to 1945 specs.

    Before I get started, I want to give credit to Dr. Dan Saranga for the use of his source work originally retrieved from: https://www.the-blueprints.com/bluep...royer)_(1941)/

    Also, If interested, these are the ships, from the upload section, completed previously:

    1/200 scale 2D Top Down Ryujo:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2341

    1/200 Liberty Ship:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2293

    1/200 CVE Casablanca Class Carrier:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2141

    1/200 Butler Class Destroyer:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2140

    1/200 Fletcher Class Destroyer:
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/dow...o=file&id=2139


    This is what I have for the Kagero Class Destroyer so far:

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    I'm not a Naval historian, so please, if anyone has input, let it fly...

    If you want to get an idea of what she looks like in 3D, check out Skafloc's post under: http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/sho...-master-part-2

    I had been stalled on this one because I was diverting attention to the load plan definitions for the 4 new aircraft released as part of series 6.

    Let's Do This...!!!
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    I haven't forgotten her, she is next...

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    It has begun...

    It doesn't look like much, but the first step is to starkly define the hull so that both port and starboard are perfectly symmetrical with a red line running through her center:

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    With the symmetry in place and the center established, the many objects on her deck can be scaled, centered, and shaded.

    Please, any input regarding her is super welcome. I have been collecting images of her from the web, and had to tackle the anchor rigging before starting... Have you seen the anchor webbing on this one..? Screwy (but effective I'm sure).
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    Off and running...

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    2/3rds of the Forecastle installed and gaining...

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    The anchor rigging was a punk...

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    Getting there and getting beautiful.
    http://www.wingsofwar.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=165781&d=1432790517

    Fly high. Check! Sun in the back. Check! Watch your six. Check! Draw good damage cards. #$&%!![/SIGPIC]

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    I was able to get the first Type C 5 inch Turret installed:

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    Trivial note: These can also be adapted into Asashio (IIRC slightly shorter) and Yugumo (different bridgework) classes with a little re-engineering on the same basic hull.
    Diamondback,
    I never thanked you for the idea of making different destroyer class variations like that.
    Ultimately I want to get to that option and am hoping to knock out a Japanese cargo ship after the Kagero class.

    Thank you again for the information sir,
    Chris

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    Image showing latest progress:

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    Thank you good sir...

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    Update and question please:

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    Although I have my theories, I haven't been able to get a solid idea of what that structure accompanying the forward Stack is.

    I have deliberately excluded it until I get an understanding of what it is (I will included it, I just want to understand it first).

    The mystery structure (to me at least) is, In the image above, the small black rectangle area above the black of the oval forward stack area.

    I have seen it in all images of this destroyer class and that it extends from just below the base of the bridge's superstructure.

    If any one knows, please let me know

    Chris

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    Update into the week:

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    Update:

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    First torpedo Launcher installed:


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    Quote Originally Posted by THECCRICH View Post
    Update and question please:

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    Although I have my theories, I haven't been able to get a solid idea of what that structure accompanying the forward Stack is.

    I have deliberately excluded it until I get an understanding of what it is (I will included it, I just want to understand it first).

    The mystery structure (to me at least) is, In the image above, the small black rectangle area above the black of the oval forward stack area.

    I have seen it in all images of this destroyer class and that it extends from just below the base of the bridge's superstructure.

    If any one knows, please let me know

    Chris
    I have forwarded your question to a friend who knows of these things.

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    Some images I pulled of the fore port side, doesn't show any rectangular structure on any of these:

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    See you on the Dark Side......

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    I have forwarded your question to a friend who knows of these things.
    Some images I pulled of the fore port side, doesn't show any rectangular structure on any of these:
    Thank you for looking into sirs...

    I threw a best guess at it. Luckily it is a smaller area...

    Thank you again for the double check

    Chris



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    I think they are torpedo crates broken by pixel-ation . . . note the jaggad edges of the overhead cranes . . .

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    I think they are torpedo crates broken by pixel-ation . . . note the jaggad edges of the overhead cranes . . .
    It is a battle trying to make small scale pixel-ation look right.

    I just finished the crates this weekend, as well as my guess regarding the circled (see below) structure ascending to the port side of the main stack.

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    I wish I could see how those crates worked, I think they could load / unload torpedoes from the top of an open crate but also pull them directly into the launcher from an opening aft of each crate.

    It makes me wonder where these model makers (i.e. Revel, Linberg) get their data for production plastic models.

    I'm happy to plagiarize from their completed model images but admittedly would have trouble if not for them.

    Please let me know if you see anything that may be changed sir.

    Thank you David,
    Chris

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    Is there a reason you have not been using the Kagero 3D book on the Kagero by Waldemar Goralski? This is a must for a project like yours, I found it on Amazon for $20 a few years ago, it is an outstanding reference and all done on a digital model. The book comes with drawings and some amazing computer graphics . . . should be right up your alley, or dock . . . here are a few teasers: 1/200" scale six pack





    Here's the area in question looking aft: (Sorry about the rotation . . . )



    Looking forward:



    Over all top view of the drawings in the book:









    Let me know if you need more . . .

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    Any more 3d book titles to be on the lookout for Dave?
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    All of them are awesome, I only have a few so far . . . The carrier ones are golden . . .

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    Is there a reason you have not been using the Kagero 3D book on the Kagero by Waldemar Goralski? This is a must for a project like yours, I found it on Amazon for $20 a few years ago, it is an outstanding reference and all done on a digital model. The book comes with drawings and some amazing computer graphics . . . should be right up your alley, or dock . . . here are a few teasers: 1/200" scale six pack
    I was able to capture some of those pictures online, but not those 2 (one with open torpedo pen door)...
    And nice 1/200 six pack...

    I was wondering where those images came from...

    Nice reference David...

    After the Kagero it will be onto the Kashino cargo ship. Due you have any references on that one, and like Neil, I would be interested in any other recommendations you have sir.

    Chris

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    Looks like you are good to go.
    My friend Rob has written several books in the Shipcraft Series of paperbacks.
    https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Batt.../dp/1473883377
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shipcraft-23...item33bf177ab6
    https://www.bookdepository.com/Shipc.../9781848321816

    He's my "go to guy" on naval questions, and sometime opponent in WGF - let me know if you have any other questions going forward.
    He was down from BC over the weekend and took a 1st place in the OMS Model Show with this entry:
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    I didn't get as far as I hoped this weekend but completed the forward torpedo and mid ship batteries
    Here is all I got so for this weekend:

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    Pete,

    I have to tell you, those pictures from your book and learning how that track system works/how it was used has really helped with the project.
    Based on you pictures, I'm guessing the torpedoes were loaded onto the fantail of the ship in port, and then (utilizing the track system) distributed to the storage boxes and launchers.
    That really makes the Kagero destroyer an impressive class.

    I'm thinking about reviewing Skafloc's ship rules, the Sails of Glory rules, and then try to come up with a mod for dynamic action regarding ship images (1/200 through 1/1600).
    Unless someone wants to beat me to it... Ares..? Anyone..?

    Thank you again Pete for your help with those images sir,
    Chris

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    Chris, if you think that's impressive you should check out Shimakaze--a one-off superdestroyer that could theoretically sink an entire squadron of opposing tin-cans in one torpedo salvo.
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    Chris, if you think that's impressive you should check out Shimakaze--a one-off superdestroyer that could theoretically sink an entire squadron of opposing tin-cans in one torpedo salvo.
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    Wholly Crap..!!!

    3 Torpedo Banks..???

    That's a lot of fish launching power...

    Looks like a lot of disturbed trails coming from that small destroyer...

    Looks like I count... 1... 2 3... 4 5 6.... Um... 7 8 9 10... wait... 11... 12...
    WE SHAL BE AT QUARTERS...!!!

    All hands now here this... All hands now here this... Brace for collision... I repeat... Brace for collision...!!!

    Very nice... Very nice indeed sir...

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    Shimakaze packed quintuple mounts too (15 in an all-out volley). Truly a "BRING ME MY BROWN TROUSERS!" moment... unless you hit her with battleship or cruiser fire, or airpower, before she could start the run.
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    Truly a "BRING ME MY BROWN TROUSERS!" moment...
    Super LOL...!!!

    unless you hit her with battleship or cruiser fire, or airpower
    Good point Diamondback, a single destroyer resource like that would tie up several larger ships...

    I had no idea the IJN had something like that afloat...

    Thank you sir...
    Chris

    (p.s. BRING ME MY BROWN TROUSERS!)

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    Actually it's Dave you need to thank, not me.


    Quote Originally Posted by THECCRICH View Post
    I didn't get as far as I hoped this weekend but completed the forward torpedo and mid ship batteries
    Here is all I got so for this weekend:

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    Pete,

    I have to tell you, those pictures from your book and learning how that track system works/how it was used has really helped with the project.
    Based on you pictures, I'm guessing the torpedoes were loaded onto the fantail of the ship in port, and then (utilizing the track system) distributed to the storage boxes and launchers.
    That really makes the Kagero destroyer an impressive class.

    I'm thinking about reviewing Skafloc's ship rules, the Sails of Glory rules, and then try to come up with a mod for dynamic action regarding ship images (1/200 through 1/1600).
    Unless someone wants to beat me to it... Ares..? Anyone..?

    Thank you again Pete for your help with those images sir,
    Chris

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    Actually it's Dave you need to thank, not me.
    David,

    I have to tell you, those pictures from your book and learning how that track system works/how it was used has really helped with the project.
    Based on you pictures, I'm guessing the torpedoes were loaded onto the fantail of the ship in port, and then (utilizing the track system) distributed to the storage boxes and launchers.
    That really makes the Kagero destroyer an impressive class.

    Thank you and sorry about that Dave,
    Chris

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    No worries! : ) The computer graphics reminded me of MYST but a little creepy for some reason. The track idea is very cool, but I cannot imagine it would be good on a rolling deck in some rough weather . . . but who moves torpedoes in those conditions : )

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    The computer graphics reminded me of MYST but a little creepy for some reason.
    Nice reference and I agree... Mytst had that entire island and not a single person on it...

    Chris

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    Officially 2/3 complete with the addition of the lifeboats

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    Update for first half of my 2 days off:

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    Looking great! Keep on it and it will be superb!

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    You are great David...
    Thank you...

    I am plowing away at her as we speak...

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    I think they are beginning to man her with the shake down crew:

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    Itchy fingers....Itchy fingers.
    See you on the Dark Side......

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    Itchy fingers....Itchy fingers.
    Me also Sir...

    The IJN was not playing when they littered those destroyers with AA.
    I believe it is going to be a real challenge engaging them.

    I also have not forgotten about ship use definitions.
    You are right about the disparity between aircraft maneuvering speeds vs. ship maneuvering speeds.

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    Looking great Chris. Can't wait!

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    Thank you Peter...

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