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    It is interesting that a chat about Ares posting dates is also just concluding on the Anchorage, with the announcement that the long awaited Spanish will be released in November, after a long silence. Thoughts there were that they had deliberately not put out the dates until everything was in place this time so as to avoid the usual criticism when things go awry. No misprints, failures with moulds, box sizes, slow boats from China, Dock strikes etc. Let us hope that the same reason for no up to date news here is for the same reason.
    Otherwise as usual Christmas may fall around my birthday in March again next year.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skafloc View Post
    I suppose they´ll get here when they get here and not a moment before. Like waiting for Santa at Xmas but we dont know when Xmas day is.
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    When I looked up Tripods & Triplanes on BGG and saw what it was I started looking for an April 1st release date...

    As others Mentioned in this thread I would love to see an implementation of naval warfare that blends well with the existing action in the sky. Andrea posted pictures of how this might look: Midway. I realize my personal preference for WWII war in the Pacific theater is pushing forward this agenda, it may not be what would actual sell to the general public. I am happy to be able to play with the stuff and not be in a position to evaluate and make this sort of decision. I already have a day job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackronin View Post
    You are entitled to an opinion, Sam.
    But...
    Calling stupid to other people work and research just because they're not doing your favorite thing is offensive and self-centered.

    Probably all the games you like had somebody spending his time in careful research and testing.
    I don't know where this new idea on the game is going but I might point to one or two decisive reasons that you might not have considered:

    1) New WW1 planes are getting scarse and with the exception of a small community that wants them all, general public won't buy rare, unknown items and;
    2) To keep the interest in buying planes, the game has to widen to other venues.

    And that's what Ares is trying to do.
    Keeping the game alive by exploring other interesting possibilities.

    So be careful when you call stupid the people who gave a game that you love.
    You never met Andrea, but clearly you must know how much he loves this game.
    So saying that his work is stupid... might be a bit silly?!

    I have been reading the posts for a while and think the time has come to wrap it up.
    I do appreciate your approach to the discussion, Quim, my brother. And I do share your thoughts about the game and - especially Andrea - whom I know personally.
    But let me try to act as Sam's counsel and say - he did not mean to abuse anyone - I am sure about it.
    He just expressed more of his passion for the game rather than his anger.
    In a way I can understand him and think he wanted to state, that with contemporary limited resources ARES should rather focus on first things first. That means producing long awaited products considering sales numbers. And in this way I do share his anger to some extent, for - in my humble opinion as a gamer and as an aircraft enthusiast - some resources were definitely lost due to producing niche miniatures instead of the iconic ones. You all know what I think about Lancasters and Beaufighters (really nice planes, but from a "second row") instead of Mosquitos or other frontliners.
    And when a waiting gamer sees fantasy setting - he or she can go mad, I swear.

    At the end of the day, you are totally right, Quim, but I do understand Sam's bitter words.
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    Thank you Andy.
    I feel that now you have all had a fair crack of the whip, and we should now all get back onto the real reason for the thread "WGS Battle of Britain Updates."
    At the moment we have nothing to add.
    Rob.
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  6. #206

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    My friends,
    Tripods are an idea by Marco Maggi & Francesco Nepitello. Two of the most bright and creative game authors we have in Italy, from War of the Ring onward. They had the idea and developed it - adding their creativities and energies to the Wings of Glory team. There is a new artist, neither Vincenzo Auletta nor David Méchin nor Dario Calě who are the traditional Wings of War team, who is working on the concepts for the Tripods and the artwork of the new expansion. This means that new fresh forces are joining the team for this, and it's really great people by the way.
    Ares' productivity is not endangered by a few tropods to be added to the many game lines they are working on - and our Wings of Glory and Sails of Glory lines are going on in the meantime as steadily as before. There would be even room for more fictional add-ons... and maybe more will come.
    Yes there is a delay on WGS BoB: But as it has been noted that's a production delay. A problem in the factory that has nothing to do with triopods, who are still in the design phase.
    I really hope that some SciFi will bring more people to Wings of Glory. And that production of planes for this expansion can be helpful for WGF too. I understand that there can be worries, but I am sure that benefits will be far larger.

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    I'm looking forward to it. Whilst this game has 'sold itself' to some of my friends with the minis and great rules, adding Martians and a SF element looks like fun!

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    Kinda hoping that the new game (tripods) still uses the same cards we need for WWI.
    Too many figures for WoG I just can't find to buy, if this gets them back on the shelves I'm all for it.
    But I'd still need cards for WOG included with the packs.

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    Just bought and watched the old version of the movie, now I gotta have the GAME! Bring it on, the elves can hardly wait to attack the martians! (They say its an old conflict . . . they even just ordered a YB-49!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick View Post
    NICE TOYS FROM ARES...as always,
    BUT LIKE ALWAYS...delivery date promises always broken DELAY AFTER DELAY, one reason after another....
    planes of ships it's always the same...
    Three words: "_Robotech RPG Tactics_".

    Trust me -- it could be *infinitely* worse....

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    Missing the Christmas target date - again - is not going to do sales any good. I think it's 3 years in a row now.

    Wings and Sails of Glory aren't like the usual boardgames Ares sells, and I don't think they really have much clue as to how they should be marketed. By selling many sets at the Christmas period, it enables further sales of expansions - aircraft/ships throughout the year. Miss that deadline, and sales collapse. Most other games you have an initial release, perhaps one major expansion the same size a year later, then a reprint a year or two after that.

    There's nothing magic about the 4 different planes each in 3 different colour schemes format. It is traditional, the system was set up for that by Nexus based on conditions that were in effect nearly 10 years ago now. Only having 4 different designs eases costs of manufacture. If I were an Ares employee, I'd be looking at perhaps 8 or 12 aircraft designs in a release, each in only just one colour scheme. Reprints would have a new colour scheme for each, released at 6 monthly or annual intervals. That way retailers don't have to keep massive stocks on the shelves. A new set of 12 designs every year, timed for October, to have them in stores over the late Nov to early Dec pre-Christmas period, possibly sold as a box set as well as individually. RRP $120 for the box, or $15 each, to be in line with costs of boardgames.

    I'd also be looking at a massively increased advertising campaign, with traditional as well as social media means. Gaming magazines for example. Museum shops.

    But as it is.. we will have the BoB set possibly in Feb, when shipping is cheaper and more reliable after the Christmas production frenzy, and warehouses have room for such a niche game now the big sellers are all sold, either at Christmas or in the post Christmas remainders sale.

    Will there be another WGS release after that in 2017? Probably not. WGF? Probably one, a reprint of Fokker E-Iiis and the like, and a second if we're very lucky, Nieuport 17s, Albatros D.IIIs, etc. as well. I don't expect Pfalz D.IIIs before 2018 or 2019.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoe Brain View Post
    Missing the Christmas target date - again - is not going to do sales any good. I think it's 3 years in a row now.

    Wings and Sails of Glory aren't like the usual boardgames Ares sells, and I don't think they really have much clue as to how they should be marketed. By selling many sets at the Christmas period, it enables further sales of expansions - aircraft/ships throughout the year. Miss that deadline, and sales collapse. Most other games you have an initial release, perhaps one major expansion the same size a year later, then a reprint a year or two after that.

    There's nothing magic about the 4 different planes each in 3 different colour schemes format. It is traditional, the system was set up for that by Nexus based on conditions that were in effect nearly 10 years ago now. Only having 4 different designs eases costs of manufacture. If I were an Ares employee, I'd be looking at perhaps 8 or 12 aircraft designs in a release, each in only just one colour scheme. Reprints would have a new colour scheme for each, released at 6 monthly or annual intervals. That way retailers don't have to keep massive stocks on the shelves. A new set of 12 designs every year, timed for October, to have them in stores over the late Nov to early Dec pre-Christmas period, possibly sold as a box set as well as individually. RRP $120 for the box, or $15 each, to be in line with costs of boardgames.

    I'd also be looking at a massively increased advertising campaign, with traditional as well as social media means. Gaming magazines for example. Museum shops.

    But as it is.. we will have the BoB set possibly in Feb, when shipping is cheaper and more reliable after the Christmas production frenzy, and warehouses have room for such a niche game now the big sellers are all sold, either at Christmas or in the post Christmas remainders sale.

    Will there be another WGS release after that in 2017? Probably not. WGF? Probably one, a reprint of Fokker E-Iiis and the like, and a second if we're very lucky, Nieuport 17s, Albatros D.IIIs, etc. as well. I don't expect Pfalz D.IIIs before 2018 or 2019.
    Spot on.
    I really don't understand Ares production strategy. But then again, I'm not privy with their problems or goals. Or the selling statistics of their games.
    I'll keep building on what I have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightbomber View Post
    I have been reading the posts for a while and think the time has come to wrap it up.
    I do appreciate your approach to the discussion, Quim, my brother. And I do share your thoughts about the game and - especially Andrea - whom I know personally.
    But let me try to act as Sam's counsel and say - he did not mean to abuse anyone - I am sure about it.
    He just expressed more of his passion for the game rather than his anger.
    In a way I can understand him and think he wanted to state, that with contemporary limited resources ARES should rather focus on first things first. That means producing long awaited products considering sales numbers. And in this way I do share his anger to some extent, for - in my humble opinion as a gamer and as an aircraft enthusiast - some resources were definitely lost due to producing niche miniatures instead of the iconic ones. You all know what I think about Lancasters and Beaufighters (really nice planes, but from a "second row") instead of Mosquitos or other frontliners.
    And when a waiting gamer sees fantasy setting - he or she can go mad, I swear.

    At the end of the day, you are totally right, Quim, but I do understand Sam's bitter words.
    Thanks my friend.

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    Is there a reprint rumoured for the Eindeckers and DH2's? I thought they would finish series 3 and 4 of Wings of War before getting to those..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xen View Post
    Is there a reprint rumoured for the Eindeckers and DH2's? I thought they would finish series 3 and 4 of Wings of War before getting to those..
    The research on colour schemes for the reprint was done over a year ago, when they started getting scarce. When will it be out, if ever? I thought it would be this year, but it might be 2017 or 2018. Or might not. Plans change due to changing circumstances, and best to say nothing until things are firmed up, so there are no unrealistic expectations.

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    On Wings of Glory FB, a short movie shows the Ares Games products in Essen.
    The label in front of the picture indicates 1st quarter 2017 for the release of squadrons packs.
    Might be the same for the Starter box (label on right side)


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    Quote Originally Posted by monse View Post
    On Wings of Glory FB, a short movie shows the Ares Games products in Essen.
    The label in front of the picture indicates 1st quarter 2017 for the release of squadrons packs.
    Might be the same for the Starter box (label on right side)

    The boxed starter looks fantastic! Too bad it won't be on the shelves for Christmas.

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    Yes indeed Carl. Ares miss the boat again.
    Rob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying Officer Kyte View Post
    Yes indeed Carl. Ares miss the boat again.
    Rob.
    I would have bought at least three as Christmas gifts to drag more unsuspecting foo- err future players to the Dark Side that is WGS.

    I still might, but it would have been a less obvious ploy under the guise of playing Santa.

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    My feelings exactly Carl.
    Most of my friends now get Ares or Aerodrome Stores associated presents.
    Rob.
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    Does the starter include planes? Including at least two models to duel with would make it much more attractive. I am with Carl regarding starters for a couple friends but missing Christmas means it will have to wait 9-10 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tokhuah View Post
    Does the starter include planes?
    Yeah, 2 109's and 2 Spits.

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    I thought those were the planes in the Battle of Britain box?

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    Which starter set were you talking about? I'm lost lol.
    The current WWII set (which is the same thing as BoB just with different planes) and BoB contain the same rules and so on and so forth as far as I know.
    The current set comes with 4 random planes. Normally from Japan. USA. England. Germany.

    I thought you were talking about the BoB set, which as far as I know is the same as any other starter except for the planes and art work on the box.

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    I thought there was a new starter set? The last effective starter available in the states was the Rules and Accessory pack that did not include planes. The original Starter Set included Italian, Japanese, Russian, and a French service Warhawk. It is actually a horrible collection of planes if you are trying to lure in the average US consumer. To sell WWII on this side of the pond Ares needs the starter to include some combination of the big four players in WWII.

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    The WWII starter I got (And WWI for that matter) were both just the advanced ruleset + 4 planes (separately packed)
    Far as I know BoB is the 'new' starter set. Once it's out. Stores are still selling the WWII rules + 4 planes as the starter set at the moment, but an actual starter with the planes bundled unside the box is completely out of print as far as I'm aware, and BoB will be the new one.

    Course, I could be wrong I often am.

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    The new BoB box will have 1 Spitfire, 1 Hurricane, 1ME109 and 1 JU87. Separate individual aircraft boxes will have squadron decals included from what I led to believe.

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    I thought that too, but somewhere in this thread I was told 2 spits, 2 hurricanes. I kind of hope it works are you say, then i'll just get this box twice to get 2 of each.

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    So this thread has gotten too long. Please look at this: WGS - Battle of Britain Update - Post # 1
    The image in that post is the inside of the box in Post #217. It isn't clear in the image of Post #217, but there are four planes in the window of the box. They are the same planes as Post #1. Two Bf-109s and two Spitfires. This will be the Battle of Britain Starter Set. Will there be a separate Rules and Accessories Pack in the future? I suspect so, but it may be a while for that release.

    There will be a separate release of Airplane Packs with Bf-109s, Hurricanes, Spitfires and Stukas, for the Battle of Britain collection.

    Ares (my speculation only, not official) may release a War in the Pacific Starter Set in the future, with Wildcats and Zeros, but I am just starting the rumor, I have no information from any source to back up this idea. Don't rant at Ares, cause they didn't say anything about this, anywhere.
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    Thank you for pulling us back into reality Mike!

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    I really would like that. Looks Good

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGuy59 View Post
    Ares (my speculation only, not official) may release a War in the Pacific Starter Set in the future, with Wildcats and Zeros, but I am just starting the rumor, I have no information from any source to back up this idea. Don't rant at Ares, cause they didn't say anything about this, anywhere.
    Ares has said that a Pacific Start similar to the BoB one will be coming out roughly a year later. My guess is that they are going to alternate printing these two starters so that there is always a starter set on the store shelves.

    Teh BoB sets are looking like a mid First Quarter release right now.

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    WOW!!! How have I missed this!?!?!?!? Such great news!!!! This just made my week!!!

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    My wallet just had a stroke!

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    I posted these pictures on another thread about Triplanes and Tripods. The game is All Quiet on the Martian Front (AQMF). I did a repaint for a friend who has been helping with rules for this game. I understand where people are coming from either liking or disliking that ARES is doing such a thing but it could draw people into the Wings game.


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    I have to say despite initial misgivings - it does look like fun... Need to up gun my Bristols even more to take on those Martian walkers...

    Never Knowingly Undergunned !!

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    I did a repaint of a SPAD/DH4 and F2B for my friend. I didn't take any pics but he was happy how they looked. The repaint was how I thought the US planes would look.

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    Bob I think Ares hit a home run with this new game Triplanes and tripods. I see this drawing so many more people to the game. Good job Ares!

    Thomas

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    I like the whole Tripods & Triplanes. Besides drawing people to the game, It also looks quite fun. A variation of the origional game should be interesting.


    Nick

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    It also drew new designers to the system, Marco Maggi and Francesco Nepitello. Worldwhide fame with War of the Ring, Marvel Heroes, X-Bugs/Micro Mutants, Age of Conan, Barcelona, The One Ring RPG... Among the rest. So Triplane & Tripods is bringing new fresh productive resources too, not driving away them.

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    Andrea, I think this could draw people who do SIFY gaming into the Wings game. Maybe get some converts to historical air games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BobP View Post
    Andrea, I think this could draw people who do SIFY gaming into the Wings game. Maybe get some converts to historical air games.
    That is how it often goes Bob.
    That's how our school wargames club got members who transferred from War Hammer.
    Rob.
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    Release date announced. Feb2017

    http://www.aresgames.eu/17839

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brutal2One View Post
    Release date announced. Feb2017

    http://www.aresgames.eu/17839
    Yep, look for the pre-order special to appear on the AA site this weekend. I'll be doing something special for the Squadron Packs this time around.

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    I need a job to support my addiction!
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    I need a second job!
    I laugh in the face of danger - then I hide until it goes away!

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    I need to move my Birthday.
    Rob.
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    Thanks to ebay and Bartertown* BoB (+1) has come early to my house!

    Does this mean I am set or will simply want more?



    *Hawker Hurricane and 109 planes not seen in this picture.

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    I need to have several birthdays.

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